OWC Mars: ***The opinions expressed in this OWC Mars: chat are not necessarily those of OWC Mars: The Other*Worlds*Cafe or OWC Mars: America Online.*** HOST EBK Zyxt: RowrBasil! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. HOST EBK Zyxt: Yes'm, Mars. OWC Mars: Thanks Zyxt! OWC Mars: Ken...let me introduce you here... OWC Mars: Everyone, let's please greet Ken OWC Mars: Wharton , author! OWC Mars: Ken Wharton is an OWC Mars: experimental physicist who OWC Mars: has played with some very OWC Mars: expensive toys, including the OWC Mars: most powerful laser in the OWC Mars: world. Fortunately, he channels OWC Mars: most of his mad scientist OWC Mars: tendencies into writing hard OWC Mars: SF. OWC Mars: Wharton's eBook Boltzmann's OWC Mars: Ghost is available now via OWC Mars: Eggplant-Productions and you OWC Mars: can read an excerpt there. His OWC Mars: first novel, "Divine OWC Mars: Intervention," has been OWC Mars: published by Ace Science OWC Mars: Fiction and is also available OWC Mars: now. Whartonk: Sounds about right... since my last chat I'm also... OWC Mars: Ken...good to see you tonight! Whartonk: now a Physics Professor. OWC Mars: Congratulations! Whartonk: Thanks... good to be here. HOST EBK Zyxt: Excellent, Ken. OWC Mars: The last time we spoke you weren't OWC Mars: a full professor, and you'd just been OWC Mars: offered the job, correct? OnlineHost: ProfUGA has entered the room. Whartonk: I'm still not a *full* professor... HOST EBK Zyxt: ProfUGA! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 5] 12/6/01 09:03 PM Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 5] 12/6/01 09:03 PM OnlineHost: *** You are in "Other Worlds SF Chat". *** Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 5] 12/6/01 09:03 PM HOST EBK Zyxt: Re's Mars. Yep, Ken, I loive in Atlanta. HOST EBK Zyxt: *live, that is. Whartonk: My father in law teaches at tech. EE dept. OWC Mars: Ken...you and I first met when you popped out to CYBLING to do a chat... OWC Mars: about your electronic eTEXT that was recently published by... OWC Mars: Eggplant-Productions. Can you tell the folks here a little about that? Whartonk: Boltzmann's Ghost. That was a novelette based on some... Whartonk: physics ideas left over from this novel (Divine Intervention, Ace Books, out 9 days ago.) Whartonk: In the novel I based a religion on the ideas; in the novelette I used it in a different way. Whartonk: (GA) OWC Mars: Ken... I've read the first chapter and I'm finding it fascinating already. OnlineHost: BG1818 has entered the room. OWC Mars: Is the whole book from the youngster's point of view? Whartonk: It was fun to write. Took 3 years, but... fun. HOST EBK Zyxt: BG! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. Whartonk: No -- 5 characters, not just Drew. Whartonk: 5 viewpoint characters, that is. HOST EBK Zyxt: ? OWC Mars: Go for it Zyxt. HOST EBK Zyxt: Do you have any short fiction published? Whartonk: Yes; a novelette in the Leading Edge, and a short in... Whartonk: a recently published anthology, "Bones of the World", in Whartonk: the sff.net series. Whartonk: I also have a short in Analog in 2 months. Whartonk: And, of course, Boltzmann's Ghost! HOST EBK Zyxt: Very nice. I'll have to watch for that. Title? Whartonk: The Analog story will be called "Flight Correction". Nothing to do with the novel at all. Whartonk: Should be in the March '02 issue. HOST EBK Zyxt: Thanks. Congrats on the sale, too. OWC Mars: I have a question here from Cybling... Why name the ship after Disney? OnlineHost: BG1818 has entered the room. Whartonk: thank you. HOST EBK Zyxt: Re's BG! BG1818: Hello! Whartonk: Good question... this colony ship... Whartonk: cost a lot of $$, so they need sponsorship. Whartonk: to limit the costs. Whartonk: But it still was a flop, financially, so there wasn't a second ship. Whartonk: (GA) OWC Mars: Thanks Ken. OWC Mars: Ken...you mentioned earlier that there was some OWC Mars: "Physics" left over from one project which you OWC Mars: used to ... BG1818: ? OWC Mars: flesh out another. Was the physics left over OWC Mars: from Boltzman's Ghost or Divine OWC Mars: Intervention...and can you say what was... Whartonk: Cosmology, quantum mechanics, and time-symmetry. OWC Mars: left over in a nutshell? Whartonk: I'm really interested in the arrows of time, and... Whartonk: it now looks like the only reason we see an arrow of time... Whartonk: is because of special boundary conditions at the Big Bang... Whartonk: So I wondered what would happen if those same boundary conditions also were at the *end* of the universe...a Whartonk: t the Big Crunch. Whartonk: GA OWC Mars: Thanks Ken! OWC Mars: Zyxt? BG1818: What does GA mean? HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : BG1818 Whartonk: Go Ahead HOST EBK Zyxt: GA = Go Ahead, BG. OWC Mars: Beth... GA means Go Ahead.... did you have a question for Ken Wharton? BG1818: I was just wondering what part of the country you live in? Whartonk: California Bay Area. ProfUGA: ? Whartonk: I live in Mountain View, and work at San Jose State. (GA) OWC Mars: Ken... I noticed when I picked up your book from Amazon.com... OWC Mars: that you got a nice little blurb from Allen Steele. Several of us here... OWC Mars: know him... where did you meet him and how OWC Mars: did you get him to read your book, if you don't OWC Mars: mind me being so nosey? Whartonk: A *very* nice blurb. Whartonk: I had never met him, actually. Whartonk: But he's another Ace author; that might have had something to do with it. Whartonk: Mind it I shamelessly quote the blurb? OWC Mars: LOL, please do. Whartonk: "DIVINE INTERVENTION is a wonderful heresy, positive proof that a hard SF novel can seriously deal with physics, religion, and interstellar colonization, and also be a page- turning adventure story." -- Allen Steele BG1818: Allen's a sweety. Whartonk: I met him, after this, at the most recent WorldCon... BG1818: ProfUGA had a questions mark up. Whartonk: He was very nice; he's even already given me a Nebula rec. HOST EBK Zyxt: ProfUGA, your question please. ProfUGA: How do you balance academic writing with fiction? And what do your colleagues think of SF? (btw, Barry Hollander from the Rumormill here). Whartonk: Hi Barry. Most of the other faculty think it's cool, if harmless... BG1818: LOL Whartonk: I'm trying to convince them that there's some *real* physics in there... ProfUGA: heh Whartonk: But I only have time to write a page a day of fiction... Whartonk: non-fiction comes in fits and starts, when I've finished an experiment, for example. BG1818: ? HOST EBK Zyxt: BG1818, your question please. BG1818: Do you outline your stories before you begin writing them? Whartonk: Actually, no. I've only written one novel, and I... Whartonk: spent about a year plotting it out in my head, but no outline. Whartonk: Shorts, of course, don't really need outlines. Whartonk: GA OWC Mars: THe world is especially well developed, how hard was it to come up with? Whartonk: Not so much hard as... lengthy. Whartonk: Every idea I had over a 3-4 year timespan went in there, somewhere. Whartonk: (Well, not *every* idea...) Whartonk: GA OWC Mars: zyxt? Queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: No queue, Mars. OWC Mars: Thanks...we have one from Cybling then... OWC Mars: Whats in the pipeline for us to enjoy next? OWC Mars: Ken... are you still with us? Whartonk: The Analog story in 2 months, a bunch of unsold novelettes... Whartonk: and another novel that I'm only 4 chapter into. Hopefully I'll finish it this next summer when I'm not teaching. Whartonk: (My posts aren't appearing...) Whartonk: I'm back. BG1818: Sometimes it takes it a few moments. OWC Mars: Ah...perhaps a temporary internet slowdown. It occurs here too Ken. OWC Mars: Not just on IRC. HOST EBK Zyxt: Ah. The old Schroedinger's chat trick. Nice. OWC Mars: LOLOLOL. Whartonk: lol BG1818: Who was Schroedingers? HOST EBK Zyxt: Some cat-hater, BG. Whartonk: Most physicists hate cats. BG1818: Thanks Zyxt. BG1818: ? Whartonk: They're great examples to use in my exams. OWC Mars: Speaking of Schroedinger and cats... OWC Mars: Ken you mentioned that you have a little OWC Mars: difficulty convincing your fellow scientists that... OWC Mars: the physics you use in your stories is real physics...or did I read that wrong? Whartonk: Not necessarily "real", but "serious"... Whartonk: I think I have some pretty neat ideas in there that the right person might be able to run with.... Whartonk: In fact, after I finished the novel, there was a paper in Physical Review Letters that talked about... Whartonk: some of the same ideas I used in the novel's "religion". Whartonk: (GA) OWC Mars: So in other words... OWC Mars: you feel that the science of physics doesn't just apply to... OWC Mars: Masses that collide in the vacuum of space? They relate to the human psyche as well? Whartonk: Where you get into tough questions, like *why* quantum mechanics is the way it is... Whartonk: it starts touch on issues like reality, etc... Whartonk: But most of the human-aspect I was exploring involved the general relationship between science and religion. Whartonk: That's the overall theme of the novel. HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : BG1818 BG1818: Well as yu can tell from my questions I don't know anything about Physics and know less about writing, so my questions tend to be more general. Why do Physicist have trouble with cats? Whartonk: I'm allergic. BG1818: My I add something? Whartonk: I actually know someone who shot a cat with a research laser. BG1818: May OWC Mars: Please go ahead Beth. Whartonk: (The cat was fine, don't worry.) BG1818: In Stephen Baxter's books he does use many things that are being researched, but are not considered fact. He tells about it at the end of his books. Whartonk: I don't have anything at the end, but I'm considering putting up similar things on my website. Whartonk: ( http://www.sff.net/people/kwharton ) HOST EBK Zyxt: ? OWC Mars: Cool...thanks Ken...I have a question here from Cybling... OWC Mars: Have you thought of collaborating? Whartonk: Yes, I even have done so!... Whartonk: Lori Ann White and I worked together on a novella... Whartonk: It's being shopped around right now. OWC Mars: GA, Ken? Whartonk: yes OWC Mars: Thanks... Zyxt? HOST EBK Zyxt: Ah. Nevermind. Website question answered. OWC Mars: Okay.. thanks....Ken...when you say "shopped around"... OWC Mars: Can you tell us how you shop around a novella as opposed to shopping around a novel? Whartonk: Up through novellas you send out the whole thing at once... Whartonk: But for an unsolicited manuscript (which mine was), I just sent out 3 chapters of the novel. BG1818: ? Whartonk: Ace came back and asked for the whole thing. Whartonk: GA OWC Mars: Zyxt? BG1818: Do you have an agent? Whartonk: Only after Ace made the offer... HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : BG1818 Whartonk: Then I ran out to get one as fast as I could! BG1818: I already ask. Whartonk: (GA) BG1818: ? OWC Mars: Go ahead Beth. BG1818: Can you tell us who is your agent? Whartonk: Email me @ kwharton@sff.net ProfUGA: Sorry, kidstuff to do. Look forward to the Analog story, Ken. Whartonk: Thanks. OWC Mars: Later Prof. BG1818: ? OWC Mars: Ken...you mentioned to me earlier that you were OWC Mars: at the Chicago World Science Fiction OWC Mars: Convention a couple of years ago... was this OWC Mars: your first convention? Whartonk: Yes. It was only a month earlier that Ace had made the offer. Whartonk: It was a bit overwhleming, to say the least! Whartonk: (GA) BG1818: Do you read Locus? OnlineHost: Tone 1961 has entered the room. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tone! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. Whartonk: Yes -- I recently subscribed, in time to see my first print Ad this month. BG1818: Cool! BG1818: Do you only do World Cons? OWC Mars: Ken...BG is responsible for a goodly number of the photographs that appear in Locus. OnlineHost: JDipale has entered the room. Whartonk: Beth Gwinn! Hello... Whartonk: Thanks for the picture in the WorldCon issue! HOST EBK Zyxt: JDipale! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type BG1818: Hello! You know my name? HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. BG1818: Howdy JDipale JDipale: Hi Beth! Whartonk: (Lori introduced us at Westercon.)... Whartonk: Which means yes, I do go to other cons. West coast. BG1818: OH! OK. OnlineHost: RhoadKyll2 has entered the room. HOST EBK Zyxt: RhoadKyll! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. RhoadKyll2: G'day. BG1818: Hello Rhoadky Whartonk: Hello. OWC Mars: For those of you who have just entered...let me run the intro again... BG1818: Now I remember you. You were at Westercon too, weren't you. OWC Mars: Everyone, let's please greet Ken Wharton , OWC Mars: author! OWC Mars: Ken Wharton is an experimental OWC Mars: physicist who has played with some very OWC Mars: expensive toys, including the most OWC Mars: powerful laser in the world. Fortunately, OWC Mars: he channels most of his mad scientist OWC Mars: tendencies into writing hard SF. OWC Mars: Wharton's eBook Boltzmann's Ghost is OWC Mars: available now via Eggplant-Productions OWC Mars: and you can read an excerpt there. His OWC Mars: first novel, "Divine Intervention," has OWC Mars: been published by Ace Science Fiction OWC Mars: and is also available now. BG1818: Blond? Whartonk: That's the one. BG1818: It helps to but a face with a name. BG1818: ? OWC Mars: Go ahead Beth. HOST EBK Zyxt: ? BG1818: Do you enjoy the cons? Whartonk: Absolutely... BG1818: Some people do some people don't. That's why i as, Whartonk: I like to be on panels, too. BG1818: ? OWC Mars: Beth...we'll be going to open chat in a couple of minutes...let's observe protocol. OWC Mars: I believe that Zyxt is up next in the line? OWC Mars: Zyxt? Queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: Ken, I think I've got a handle on the possibilities of an eventual return to a low-entropy HOST EBK Zyxt: state at the end of the universe, but how does that affect us here and now? Or should HOST EBK Zyxt: I pick up the novel? Whartonk: Boltzmann's Ghost might be a better place to answer that one... Whartonk: But there are some different speculations in the novel, too. Whartonk: I'm also finishing up a short story with yet a third possibility. OWC Mars: GA? HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : BG1818 Whartonk: Yes OWC Mars: Beth, go ahead. BG1818: Will you be at Westercon this year in LA? Whartonk: I think so, but not for sure yet. Whartonk: Zyxt, the short answer to your question is that there would have to be anti-entropic matter... OWC Mars: GA? Whartonk: somewhere in our universe, with its entropy going the other way. Whartonk: GA HOST EBK Zyxt: Like politicians? BG1818: LOL Whartonk: Exactly. OWC Mars: Ken, I have an interesting question from Cybling which I'm going to paraphrase for you.... OWC Mars: If physics can be used ... OWC Mars: to explain some forms of religion... OWC Mars: could it also be used to explain phenomenon like Jack the Ripper? Whartonk: The interesting question to me is what happens... Whartonk: to a religion that's based on science after the science changes. ... OnlineHost: Araiused has entered the room. HOST EBK Zyxt: Araiused! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type BG1818: Hello Araiused HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. Whartonk: Because science is always changing, and religions tend to be a lot more fixed... Araiused: Evening Whartonk: So in the novel, the religion becomes outdated because of a new discovery. Whartonk: As for Jack the Ripper, I'm not sure what you mean! Whartonk: (GA) HOST EBK Zyxt: ? Araiused: ? OWC Mars: BTW folks...I'd like to bring to your attention that OWC Mars: Ken Wharton (though not FULL yet) is a OWC Mars: Professor of Physics...so if you have any OWC Mars: troubling questions on Physics matters... here's OWC Mars: your chance. OWC Mars: Zyxt, queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : HOST EBK Zyxt, Araiused HOST EBK Zyxt: Who better to exorcise Maxwell's Demon - you or the Pope? Whartonk: LOL OnlineHost: JTOWN1737 has entered the room. HOST EBK Zyxt: JTOWN! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type Araiused: Hi, JT! HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. JTOWN1737: Hello all:) OWC Mars: Ken...should we go ahead to the next question? BG1818: Hello JT Whartonk: Yes HOST EBK Zyxt: Araiused, your question please. OWC Mars: Ara...go ahead. Araiused: How can we make God outdated??? ;) OnlineHost: Athanor IX has entered the room. Whartonk: In the novel I invented a new religion so as not to step on any particular toes... Araiused: Hi, Ath Athanor IX: Hi. HOST EBK Zyxt: Athanor IX! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. BG1818: Hello Athanor IX Whartonk: But they believe that God has a basis that's explained by some strange physics ideas... Whartonk: But when one of their ideas turns out to be proven wrong, there's a crisis of faith in one main character. Whartonk: He has to decide whether or not to give up on science, or change his religion. BG1818: ! Whartonk: I think that's not too far removed from the evolution debate, etc. Whartonk: GA OWC Mars: Okay...here's a followup to that last question OWC Mars: from Cybling... A lot of writers have OWC Mars: touched on the Ripper over the years, does he OWC Mars: hold any interest to you? Whartonk: Not much... although I enjoyed Geoffrey Landis' story... Whartonk: "the singular habits of wasps" in his new collection. Whartonk: (GA) OWC Mars: Thanks Ken. Zyxt...queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : BG1818 HOST EBK Zyxt: BG1818, your question please. HOST EBK Zyxt: Statement, rather. BG1818: Mine is more of an observation. When you said that your main character had a crsis of faith and had to decide between Religion and Science. that is a crsis many people face today. Whartonk: Indeed... Whartonk: I don't think it's good that people get turned off by science because... JTOWN1737: ::::::::keeping quiet::::::::: Whartonk: they think it contradicts old versions of texts that couldn't possibly... BG1818: ! Whartonk: take current knowledge into account. Whartonk: I would hope they could update their beliefs... but that's hard, too. Whartonk: (GA) OWC Mars: Zyxt? HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : BG1818 OWC Mars: Beth...go ahead. Araiused: ! BG1818: Another thought here. I think this has to do with the Evolutionary path we are on. HOST EBK Zyxt: ? OWC Mars: Ara, did you you also have a comment? BG1818: I think the more we know the more that religion is called to question. Whartonk: Perhaps... JTOWN1737: ! Whartonk: Although the characters in the story think that science is the only way to find... Araiused: How can you update beliefs since beliefs were Araiused: built on old versions of text. We might as well Araiused: create a new god. Whartonk: the perfect religion. Calculating God by Sawyer has similar themes. Whartonk: Or take the older texts less literally, Araiused. Whartonk: (GA) OWC Mars: Sorry about all the toe stepping there, Ken. OWC Mars: Folks...we have less than 3 minutes left for Ken to give your questions... OnlineHost: T83BIRD has entered the room. HOST EBK Zyxt: T83BIRD! Welcome to the O*W*C. Araiused: Hi, T! HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. OWC Mars: undivided attention before we go to open chat...so now's the time. BG1818: Hello T83Bird JTOWN1737: Hello, T OWC Mars: Zyxt, queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: The current Queue contains the following : JTOWN1737 OWC Mars: JTown...go ahead. JTOWN1737: I think religion is based more on faith than on knowledge Whartonk: I agree... but it doesn't have to be that way, I don't think. Whartonk: At least, in the novel I tried to explore...w JTOWN1737: ! Whartonk: what would happen if it wasn't. Whartonk: GA OWC Mars: JTown? Go ahead. JTOWN1737: That religion and science can coexist? HOST EBK Zyxt: ! OnlineHost: Gandalara has entered the room. Whartonk: I think you start to get into trouble when you try to... HOST EBK Zyxt: Gandalara! Welcome to the O*W*C. HOST EBK Zyxt: Tonight OWC Mars brings us author Ken Wharton. Araiused: Hi, Gand! HOST EBK Zyxt: If you have a question or a comment, please type HOST EBK Zyxt: a ! or a ? to be added to the queue. Whartonk: answer the same question with both methods; religion and science. BG1818: Hello Gandalara Whartonk: UNless it's a scientific religion! Whartonk: (GA) Gandalara: ::: waving silently ::: OWC Mars: LOL...thanks Ken. Zyxt? Queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: Jesuits come to mind, JT. JTOWN1737: Hi Gand:) HOST EBK Zyxt: Go fish, Mars. BG1818: Huh? OWC Mars: Okay folks...I'm ripping the duct tape off Ken Wharton now.... JTOWN1737: OK Zyxt Whartonk: BUt this is just getting good...! OWC Mars: so let's all take a moment to thank him for coming out to chat with us tonight. Araiused: Rrrrrripp OWC Mars: Ken...Please... Whartonk: Ow! Araiused: Thanks, Ken1 OWC Mars: do stay with us and chat for a while.... BG1818: Thank you for visiting with us this evening,Ken. JTOWN1737: Thanks Ken HOST EBK Zyxt: Thanks, Ken! And thanks, Mars for bringing him here to us tonight! OWC Mars: we'll be meandering around in here for the next hour. Whartonk: Thanks for having me. T83BIRD: Thanks, Ken. Whartonk: I"ll stay for a bit, until I get too hungry, anyway. OWC Mars: Thanks! Araiused: Shall we take up the cue on religion again? :) BG1818: Up to you guys. OWC Mars: Zyxt...if you want to run change...go ahead. OWC Mars: re...go for it Ara. BG1818: I have some definite opinions on it. HOST EBK Zyxt: Okey-dokey! Later y'all. Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 10] 12/6/01 10:06 PM Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 10] 12/6/01 10:06 PM OnlineHost: *** You are in "Other Worlds SF Chat". *** Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 10] 12/6/01 10:06 PM BG1818: Howdy Techyo. How are you feeling tonight? OWC Mars: Whoopsee Araiused: Carl Sagan says to take the Bible in its allegorical Araiused: and symbolic context because the Bible is Araiused: scientically wrong. Techyo: ROFL Mars got so excited to see me.... OWC Mars: Hiya Tech. Techyo: Hi ALL! Hi BG! Araiused: How's your new puter, Tech?? Whartonk: But is God inside of science or outside of science, T83? Techyo: I LIKE IT. Whartonk: I think that Sagan was on the right track... Araiused: o/~ Tech's got a new computer o/~ BG1818: What did you get Techyo? T83BIRD: Ken, I just gave the quote for people to think about. Araiused: What brand, Tech? JTOWN1737: But then are failed scientific experiments God's way of saying, "Uh uh, not that way!"? OWC Mars: Folks...Ken Wharton...who is a professor of physics is here with us this OWC Mars: evening...and his new novel DIVINE INTERVENTION deals with physics OWC Mars: and religion...thus the topic swing. BG1818: I kinda threw out the Bible long ago. I really can't basis a belief on it. RhoadKyll2: it makes a nice paperweight Whartonk: The people in the novel have a sacred text...t Athanor IX: <--Atheist. Whartonk: the ship log and Captain's Journal from the original colony ship... Whartonk: I quote sections before every chapter. JTOWN1737: <~~~Christian> BG1818: Good fo ryou Athanor. I think of myself as an Agnostic. Whartonk: I like to say I'm a devout agnostic. Techyo: I'm a believer... Techyo: In God OnlineHost: FIJAGDH has entered the room. OWC Mars: Hiya Figgy! Araiused: Hi, Figgy! BG1818: I like to think there is a supreme being but I'm not convinced it is so. Gandalara: Hi Figgy OWC Mars: We're talking with Ken Wharton...Physicist and Author. BG1818: Hello Figgy JTOWN1737: Hey Figgy! Techyo: Not in churches however. Link me with them and I'll hunt you down. FIJAGDH: Hi. OWC Mars: LOL, Tech. Araiused: What's the name of your new computer, Tech? :) Athanor IX: I would derive no comfort from the idea of a supreme being. Araiused: "I smoke you out.' Whartonk: Depends on his mood. BG1818: I'm a Unitarian Universalist as well as being an agnostic. Techyo: And treat you like I'd want to be treated did I Techyo: do anything so stupid. It's called thje golden Techyo: slap. Techyo: Hal FIJAGDH: :::crosses Tech off Amish mailing list ::: JTOWN1737: ::::::changed his wallpaper:::::: OWC Mars: I'm only a chapter into your novel, Ken, and I'm finding your "god" intriguing. Whartonk: That's not the religion God, though... Techyo: Same as the other 6. OWC Mars: I haven't quite figured out yet whether it's an alien intgelligence or a stupid computer... Whartonk: That's Drew's God. OWC Mars: Don't tell though. RhoadKyll2: I'm a Darwinist. When the 7th Day people ring my bell I hand them tiny copies of Origin of Species FIJAGDH: LOL Rhoad Araiused: LOLOL, Rhoad BG1818: LOL Rhoadky JTOWN1737: LOL Rhoad OWC Mars: LOL Rhoad. Techyo: Tell you're Church of Christ and they run. Techyo: BG1818: I run from church of Christ T83BIRD: None of them come ringing our doorbell anymore. BG1818: I haven't had them on my doorstep in a very long time. FIJAGDH: I'm just grateful that charismatics don't go door-to-door handling snakes. Techyo: ROFL BG1818: I wondered if they had changed there method of going door to door. Araiused: LOL, Figgy Techyo: There's a good reason snake handling is illigal, Fi. JTOWN1737: I go to church, but I don't dress up Athanor IX: It is? Araiused: A nudist church? Techyo: Most states RhoadKyll2: they still come around here T83BIRD: BG, the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are the most prolific at going door to door. BG1818: I live in a part of the country where they do the snake handlings. I think of it as a rural and uneducated group of people as a general rule. Techyo: Except for Florida and Tenn and a couple of others. RhoadKyll2: they think we all need conversion. I can use a slide rule for that Athanor IX: There's a Mormon church here, but they keep a low profile. JTOWN1737: No, Ara. I wear clothing, although I think neckties are nooses BG1818: I don't think I've had any mormons. FIJAGDH: Ken, are you familiar with any of Michael Bishop's God SF? Whartonk: Haven't read it, no... Whartonk: What's the premise? OWC Mars: BG, I hear that with enough BBQ sauce, they taste just like chicken. OnlineHost: TAMirabile has entered the room. Gandalara: Hi TAM BG1818: I've heard that as well. Araiused: Hi, TAM! OWC Mars: Hiya Tam! BG1818: Hello Tamirabile Techyo: ROFL, Fi, he asked me to have cyber sex once. Not god Mike. OWC Mars: We're talking with Ken Wharton...who is a professor of physics is here T83BIRD: Hi TAM OWC Mars: with us this evening...and his new novel DIVINE INTERVENTION deals OWC Mars: with physics and religion...thus the topic swing. JTOWN1737: Mars, most things taste like chicken with the proper spicing FIJAGDH: Just a devout Catholic scientist that issues his GUT, Ken. OWC Mars: Now now, Techyo. Techyo: I have the log. Whartonk: Hmmm. Techyo: Great author though. Whartonk: I'll check him out. TAMirabile: Hi, Gand! Ara! Mars!! BG! T! Tech! JT! FIJ! Ath! Rhoad! Whart! FIJAGDH: Hi Tam! BG1818: Michael Bishop is a sweet person too. I like him. Techyo: Anyway I got to get nice meeting you Mr. Wharton! OWC Mars: Ken...you said you're not a FULL professor yet. What's the difference? Whartonk: Nice to meet you, too... FIJAGDH: Later, Tech BG1818: good night Techyo Techyo: Tenure JTOWN1737: I'll check out our guest's work. What other novels have you done, Ken? OWC Mars: Taking off Tech? TAMirabile: Night Tech. BG1818: You never did tell us what kind of computer you got. Araiused: Leaving, Tech? Whartonk: Having just started I'm an assistant prof; when I get tenure I"ll be a... RhoadKyll2: why he's full of knowledge Whartonk: associate prof, and then later a full prof. Pay rates, mostly. T83BIRD: Mars, I was an associate professor. There is also the rank of assistant professor. OWC Mars: Okay...was curious about that. Araiused: Say 'hi' to your new computer for me, Tech :) RhoadKyll2: job security T83BIRD: mta, Ken BG1818: I don't think he wants to tell us. Techyo: Oh sorry Sony Vaio 1.2GHz 60G HD OWC Mars: Tenure is harder and harder to come by these days. Whartonk: Some places... BG1818: Oh! Thank you Tech. I was just nosey. Araiused: Me too, BG :) BG1818: I've heard that about tenure. Whartonk: San Jose State is more teaching oriented, less publish-or-perish. OWC Mars: JTown.. there's an excerpt of Ken's work online which you can read. JTOWN1737: where is that, Mars? BG1818: Well, it's getting to be my bed time. Y'all take care! Goodnight and sweet dreams. BYE! OWC Mars: Just a second and I'll fetch the URL for you. T83BIRD: Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania has a similar orientation, Ken. OWC Mars: Night BG. TAMirabile: Night BG Araiused: Goodnight, BG T83BIRD: Nite BG Whartonk: I have one novelette on my webpage (free) that I've hyperlinked w/ additional science info. Whartonk: You can link to all my fiction from http://www.sff.net/people/kwharton FIJAGDH: Later, BG OWC Mars: Okay...that's much better. OWC Mars: Thanks Ken! JTOWN1737: cool. Thanks, Ken. OnlineHost: KichieGrey has entered the room. Araiused: Hi, Kichie JTOWN1737: Have you heard of Future Orbits? Whartonk: Yes, but I'm blanking on where... OWC Mars: And the excerpt on Eggplant-Production's site is at http://www.eggplant- OWC Mars: productions.com/jintsu/etext.asp?id=2 FIJAGDH: Hi Kichie Araiused: brb OWC Mars: Hi KichieGrey! KichieGrey: Hi. :-) Is there a specific topic, or shall I just eavesdrop? OWC Mars: We're talking with Ken Wharton...Physicist and Author. T83BIRD: Hi Kit Whartonk: Hello JTOWN1737: Online magazine of short SF OWC Mars: Ken has just published his first book with ACE...titled DIVINE INTERVENTION. KichieGrey: Very cool. Whartonk: Only $6.99! OWC Mars: And he has a story coming out in a couple of months from (slap me please Analog or Asimovs?) T83BIRD: LOL JTOWN1737: Pretty good. I signed up for a six-issue subscription for $7.95 US Whartonk: Analog OWC Mars: Ah...which means that it's actually hard SF. Whartonk: Of course! KichieGrey: From a physicist/author, I would expect nothing else. OWC Mars: Well of course I would expect it would be hard SF from your past work that I've read... Whartonk: I"ll check out Future Orbits... how short is the word limit? OWC Mars: But getting published in Analog kinda puts the Hard SF stamp of approval on ya, you know? Whartonk: I only write hard SF. AFter all, I'm supposed to write what I know, right? OWC Mars: LOL, right. Araiused: But isn't religion kind of soft SF? JTOWN1737: Hard question...I really don't know, but the first issue is 60 pages with 8 or 10 stories OnlineHost: STARMOM79 has entered the room. T83BIRD: Hi STAR OWC Mars: Hi Starmom! Araiused: Medium rare maybe :) Araiused: Hey, STAR FIJAGDH: Hi Star Whartonk: Soft sf isn't about the topic, it's about the treatment, I think. TAMirabile: Hi, STAR! STARMOM79: Hi everyone OWC Mars: Ken Wharton has stayed with us tonight for some open chat. Ken is OWC Mars: Professor of Physics and author of DIVINE INTERVENTION. JTOWN1737: www.futureorbits.com/ OWC Mars: Interesting idea, Ken. Whartonk: Thanks JT. STARMOM79: I am in awe of anyone who actually understands Physics OWC Mars: So if you dealt with say... elves... from a scientific point of view it would still be S JTOWN1737: NP, Ken. OWC Mars: SF? Gandalara: Ack. Hi STAR. Whartonk: Sure... why not? STARMOM79: Ack? Araiused: Elves, like genengineered beings? Araiused: How can you scientifically treat elves? KichieGrey: Or aliens? Whartonk: Greg Bear wrote a hard SF short where UFO sightings were really elves, I think. STARMOM79: Gand, I went to Cybling and read the accounts of the cons. When will the Philcon adventures be there? Athanor IX: Poul Anderson did SF elves...I think "The Winged Helmet" was the title. KichieGrey: Elves as aliens, rather...though I think Julian May wrote a series about that already... T83BIRD: Ara, some people say that the creatures of Greek myth were genengineered beings. JTOWN1737: So am I, Star. Physics is a tough subject but intriguing Gandalara: STAR - after the holidays, it looks like. Too busy IRL now :/ TAMirabile: The minotaur is a candidate for having been gengineered Whartonk: It's tough, Araiused. I don't think I could pull it off. Araiused: Hire a ghostwriter, Gand :) OWC Mars: So the difference between Fantasy and Hard SF, Ken, is the way the OWC Mars: author approaches the subject matter, not the subject matter. Whartonk: Partly. Gandalara: I tried, Ara. :) Whartonk: Also the idea that everything *has* an explanation... Whartonk: in fanatasy, if you keep asking questions, at some point you run out of answers. JTOWN1737: I went to the Hugo ceremony last yr and still can't believe Potter won. KichieGrey: And sometimes the subject matter hits the author over the head and screams "Write me!!!" ;-) T83BIRD: Old saying: "Scratch a myth and find a fact." STARMOM79: Fantasy deals with things that could never be while SF deals with plausibilities RhoadKyll2: reminds me of the ST episode that was on today OWC Mars: Why not, JT? TAMirabile: But T, often the fact is well nigh impossible to recognize. Araiused: Which ep, Rhoad? RhoadKyll2: Who Mourns for Adonais JTOWN1737: Can you scratch a fact and find a myth? Will it laugh? T83BIRD: TAM, I do not vouch for or against the truth of the saying. I merely note it. JTOWN1737: I thought that it's fantasy, not SF Athanor IX: Ill Met in Lankhmar won Best Novella Nebula in 1970. Athanor IX: So there's a precedent. Whartonk: It's been fun... so long, all. TAMirabile: Rhoad is that the one where an Acropolis clone is about to fade away? Araiused: Goodnight, Ken! FIJAGDH: Goodnight, Ken. TAMirabile: Night, Ken, Thanks KichieGrey: Hugos are for sci-fi and fantasy, I've always thought--sci-fi just tends to take precedence. 'Night, Ken! Whartonk: Night! OWC Mars: Goodnight Ken! T83BIRD: Nite Ken OWC Mars: Thanks!!! RhoadKyll2: It's about Apollo being an alien JTOWN1737: It has been great:) Nite all STARMOM79: Nitw Whartonk T83BIRD: Nite JT STARMOM79: Nite JT OWC Mars: Night JT. Araiused: Nite, JT JTOWN1737: See you tomorrow. STARMOM79: great impression! mispellled nite FIJAGDH: Later, JT JTOWN1737: Or Nighte OWC Mars: LOLOL, Starmom, were you doing an impression of Tech? OnlineHost: Drgafia1 has entered the room. STARMOM79: Tech and I are spelling twins OWC Mars: Drgafia! Hi.... STARMOM79: Hi Doc Drgafia1: The doctor is in.... FIJAGDH: Hi Drg OWC Mars: you just missed Ken Wharton Doc. TAMirabile: Hi, DrG Drgafia1: Was it a good interview? T83BIRD: Hey DrG Araiused: Hey, Doc OWC Mars: He stuck it out with us for quite a while and argued Science, religion, fantasy and SF. T83BIRD: bye Kit OWC Mars: I'd say so. Log will tell. OWC Mars: Actually, the book so far is quite funny. I'm enjoying it and can recommend it. Drgafia1: Will give it a look-see, then. OWC Mars: And was surprised to see that Allen Steele recommends it as well. T83BIRD: Time for me to leave also. Thanks Mars. Nite all. OWC Mars: Yes, Gand... Buns of Steele says it's good. Araiused: Nite, T! OWC Mars: Later T8. Drgafia1: Be well, T! Doctor's orders... TAMirabile: Night T! T83BIRD: LOL DrG FIJAGDH: Later, T OWC Mars: So folks...out of curiosity here... OWC Mars: Does anyone else feel that getting published in Analog gives an author OWC Mars: the Hard SF stamp of approval? FIJAGDH: Definitely so. STARMOM79: nite T TAMirabile: I don't think as much as when Campbell was editor, but yes. Drgafia1: Oh, definitely -- even back when it was Astounding it did that... STARMOM79: yes! OWC Mars: But TAM, Campbell, towards the end was having his authors delve into OWC Mars: things like telepathy....nd OWC Mars: and many folks feel that for that period of time it wasn't very "hard" sf at all. TAMirabile: See----telepathy is hard SF after all Drgafia1: Yeah, Campbell kindof went off the deep end, near the end, regarding psi...he wanted, too much, to be on some cutting edge... Drgafia1: ....and turned from "hard science" to "hard sell" when it came to psi... OWC Mars: Schmidt has turned that around... or a previous editor? OWC Mars: And...while I'm being a slug here.... OWC Mars: FRIDAY, DEC 7, 9pm-11pm ET -- o/~ Tangent, Secant, Cosine, OWC Mars: Sine / 3.14159 / Go Team! o/~ Every good sentient loves a good game! OWC Mars: From Zero-G Volleyball to Cold Fusion Football, science fiction has no OWC Mars: lack of ideas when in comes to tomorrow's competitive ventures. Join OWC Mars: the SF General team as coach HOST EBK Mystik rallies up the room for OWC Mars: SF Sports. OWC Mars: THEN OWC Mars: FRIDAY, DEC 7, 10pm-12am ET -- ~0/ If I could change the OWC Mars: world ~0/ Utopias in SF are sometimes described by what they lack. OWC Mars: How do Utopias occur? What must an author have included in a perfect OWC Mars: world that makes it so? What are your magic ingredients for Peas on OWC Mars: Earth? Join HOST EBK Zyxt in the O*W*C for PERFECT WORLDS. OWC Mars: And FYI...in two weeks on December 20th... OWC Mars: we'll be hosting the DREAM REALM AWARDS here in Cybling. FIJAGDH: :::makes plans to have tux dry-cleaned::: OWC Mars: the DREAM REALM AWARDS are a new award, specifically for the best OWC Mars: electronic work coming out today. So you should be meeting some OWC Mars: fairly interesting folks that night. TAMirabile: Going to insist that Mystik agree that Quiddich is a SF game. Gandalara: LOL TAM RhoadKyll2: ciao all Drgafia1: LOL, TAM--a fantasy game, surely... OWC Mars: Later Rhoad. Araiused: Nite, Rhoad TAMirabile: Night, Rhoad STARMOM79: How about Ochmir? FIJAGDH: Later, Rhoad STARMOM79: Nite Rhoad OWC Mars: So again... Schmidt has turned that around... or a previous editor? That is... TAMirabile: DrG it's from a book that won a Hugo Gandalara: Ben Bova was editor for a while OWC Mars: was Schmidt the editor that brought Analog back to Hard SF, or was it OWC Mars: someone else, anyone know? Drgafia1: Not sure I think quiddich makes "game" sense. Everyone tries for the low-scoring ball but whoever gets the snitch wins?? Drgafia1: Mars, _was_ there anyone else? I don't recall it... Gandalara: See above about editor :) OWC Mars: Gand.. you think it was Bova who made the turnaround? FIJAGDH: Anybody here recall the game "Arkey-malarkey" from a short story? OWC Mars: Bova edited OMNI for a while as well. TAMirabile: IDrg the one who gets the snitch gets a whole wad of points its possible to beat it but nearly impossible game goes on til somebody gets the snitch Gandalara: He made changes. I still have the old zines around herr someplace, from when Campbell Gandalara: died, and Bova took over. OWC Mars: Thanks Gand. I would suspect that Bova would move towards lit more OWC Mars: grounded in hard extrapolation though. STARMOM79: Have to get going. One more day of work till vacation!!! nite all, Thanks Mars Gandalara: I can't really think right now, sorry :) OWC Mars: Starmom...was good to see you. Araiused: Nite, STAR! FIJAGDH: Goodnight, Star OWC Mars: Thank you! Gandalara: Night STAR Drgafia1: Sure he did, but aside from not subscribing to Campbell's hobbyhorse (psi and the dean drive), it wasn't really a hard-science move.... OWC Mars: Dean Drive? What the heck is that? Drgafia1: Schmidt brought it back to hard science, and perhaps one cd say that thanks to Bova he didn't have to deal with pulling those particular weeds.... TAMirabile: I'm going to have to go back and look at those Drgafia1: Hey, I can't explain the Dean Drive. That's part of the problem.... :-$ OWC Mars: LOL...I just never heard of it before. Not asking you to explain OWC Mars: it....though I bet Ken Wharton could have taken a stab at it.... TAMirabile: I remember the Dean Drive I didn't think I understood it at the time OWC Mars: Just curious about what it was supposed to do. OWC Mars: Was it like FTL? OWC Mars: I remember reading Psi stories, but not the Dean Drive. Athanor IX: Converted rotation into linear motion Drgafia1: It was one of Campbell's hobby horses. Some sort of sticky scientific oddity that Campbell felt would lead to Great Things if only it were investigated.... Gandalara: Thanks, Mars. Night all. Dead of night comes early :) OWC Mars: Okay. TAMirabile: Night, Gand FIJAGDH: Later, Gand Araiused: See ya, Gand OWC Mars: Gand, thanks for coming out tonight. OWC Mars: Later! Drgafia1: Night, Gand! OWC Mars: Well damnation and hellfire, I'm really sorry Wharton had to leave. OnlineHost: Patterner has entered the room. OWC Mars: If anyone could knock the stuffing out of rotation to linear, he could. Patterner: Hi folks! FIJAGDH: Hi Patt OWC Mars: Hi Patt! Araiused: Hi, Patt! TAMirabile: Hi, Patt! Patterner: Hi TAM! Hi FIJ! Hi Ath! Hi Ara! Hi DrG! Hi Patterner: Mars! Drgafia1: Hiya, Pat! OWC Mars: We're just talking about some of Campbell's "hobbyhorses" and when Analog... OWC Mars: became the Stamp of Hard SF Approval for authors. Drgafia1: a.k.a. Astounding... Patterner: Oh, I just read Silverberg's column on that in Patterner: the June Asimov's (I'm way behind). FIJAGDH: Thanks, Mars. Goodnight all. OWC Mars: Later Fij! Araiused: Nite, Figgy Patterner: Night, FIJ! Drgafia1: Night, Fijagh! Drgafia1: (oops, left out the "d"; I'm used to the latter spelling...) OWC Mars: Oh! So if I open up my June Asimovs (I bet I'm more behind than you OWC Mars: are Patt), I'll get my questions about the Dean Drive answered? Drgafia1: Haven't read the Agberg myself, but probably.... Patterner: Hmmm.. I don't remember the Dean Drive. But Patterner: it's about how Campbell started with the writers Patterner: and how he forced them into topics sometimes Patterner: and so forth. Patterner: And how he got nutty at the end. Drgafia1: That goes back to the '40s when he discovered Heinlein, Sturgeon and Alfie Bester within a few issues of each other... OWC Mars: Okay... does it go on to talk about how Bova and Schmidt turned things OWC Mars: back around again, Patt? Patterner: No, stops at Campbell. But you never know with Patterner: Agberg, maybe there'll be more in the July. OWC Mars: Drg...don't forget Asimov and the rest of the Futurians. Drgafia1: No, they're a bit hard to forget. Wollheim being their most famous leader... OWC Mars: I was just wondering the other day if the "Futurians" were still extant or if OWC Mars: they disbanded at some point. Drgafia1: Long disbanded. OWC Mars: I think Pohl is the only living member, isn't he? Drgafia1: I'd have to check my fan histories to be sure. Certainly a great number of them -- Wollheim, Kornbluth, Asimov -- are dead by now. OWC Mars: I still go back and refer to HOW THE FUTURE WAS whenever I begin OWC Mars: thinking SF Fandom has gone wonky. OWC Mars: Pohl's book reminds me it's always been a little wonky. OWC Mars: ol OWC Mars: lol Patterner: LOL OnlineHost: Darkomik77 has entered the room. OWC Mars: Heya Dark. Patterner: Hi Dark! OWC Mars: You caught us just as we were settling into white line fever here. Drgafia1: Yes, that's funny. Um, isn't damon knight still alive? Asimov, Blish, Merrill and Shaw (Larry) are all dead... Darkomik77: (crashes his cruiser. emerges from the wreck calm but shaken.) Darkomik77: yo OWC Mars: Yo back atcha. Araiused: Hi, Dark Drgafia1: Hiya, Dark! What's shakin'? TAMirabile: Hi, Dark! Darkomik77: I'm just about done with the book CRASH OWC Mars: I haven't a clue on Damon Knight, drg. I'd have to look it up. OWC Mars: Oh, interesting book, I assume you saw the film? Darkomik77: & it's smashing Darkomik77: yup Darkomik77: saw the movie before I read the book Patterner: He's definitely still alive. Patterner: Posts to rasfw every now & then. OWC Mars: Damon Knight, Patt? Patterner: Yep. OWC Mars: Thanks. Darkomik77: Damon Knight is still alive of course Patterner: Although like rich, he uses lc. Darkomik77: otherwise we'd know about it Darkomik77: most likely from Locus mag OWC Mars: Well, there you go Drg. Darkomik77: & Kate Wilhelm is still writing OWC Mars: Intreresting. Knight posts to rasfw, and you wave a laptop at Pohl and he blanches. Araiused: He does, Mars? Drgafia1: I thought damon gave up our formerly mutual affectation... OWC Mars: I swear, Ara, I've tried to corner him more than once. Darkomik77: why's that doc? OWC Mars: But cybergods willing, I'm going to give it the good old college try again next year. Patterner: No, he still posts with lc. Maybe out of habit, Patterner: or laziness. Darkomik77: has Knight written any stories at all? OWC Mars: Lately? Darkomik77: yeh Darkomik77: has he? Drgafia1: Oh, okay. Glad to see I'm not all alone there with e.e. cummings and archy the cockroach--and in archy's case it can be argued that he wd prefer initial caps... OWC Mars: I dunno, Dark. I'm asking too. Patterner: According to the ISFDB, his last novel and short Patterner: story were in 1996, while there was an essay in Patterner: 1997. Drgafia1: Then too, although I know Kate is damon's wife, was she a member of the Futurians? Judy Merrill nee Kidd I knew... OWC Mars: The internet SF Database might have an answer. Darkomik77: unless he's just writing essays OWC Mars: Okay...thanks Patt...right on the money there. TAMirabile: To Serve Man :) TAMirabile: not current of course Darkomik77: right now, I know Kate Wilhelm wrote a couple of lawyer novels Patterner: The next to the last essay was titled Onion- Patterner: Apple Pork Stew (1996) Patterner: I bet that's in the McCaffrey cookbook. Darkomik77: which is outside SF Patterner: Yep, Serve It Forth -- Cooking With Anne Patterner: McCaffrey Patterner: Oh, Wilhelm has written a *lot* of mysteries, Patterner: many that have stfnal flavor to them. OWC Mars: Well folks, I want to thank you all for coming out tonight. Be sure to OWC Mars: come back tomorrow at 9 pm to bedevil Mystik in the SciFi chatroom OWC Mars: and then swing back here at 10 to the O*W*C to tickle Zyxt! Araiused: Thanks, Mars! OWC Mars: For now, it's time for me to leap upon my broom and fly outa here. Patterner: Thanks, Mars! Good chat! TAMirabile: Thanks Mars! Night! Patterner: See y'all tomorrow! OWC Mars: Hasta la manana. TAMirabile: I see she got more batteries for the broom OWC Mars: LOLOLOL. Darkomik77: I'd better hyperjump despite my wrecked star cruiser Araiused: LOLOL OWC Mars: nd a batter charger too. Darkomik77: ciao OWC Mars: that's battery. OWC Mars: Later! Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 6] 12/6/01 11:03 PM