OWC Mars: ***The opinions expressed in this chat OWC Mars: are not necessarily those of The OWC Mars: Other*Worlds*Cafe or America OWC Mars: Online.*** OWC Mars: Tonight we're Chatting with Patrick Welch... horror, fantasy and alternate reality author. OWC Mars: Good to see you tonight Patrick. Djinger: thank you Jan. Good to see you and everyone else. Iog entry: Esteemed guest, in case you haven't figured it out, I'm not really a person. I'm a Iog entry: computer-generated toothache. Djinger: my computer will get back to you. log HOST EBK Astra: Hi Patrick. Welcome to the room :) Djinger: Thank you, Astra OWC Mars: Patrick you started your writing career in OWC Mars: College...how did it feel to make a sale to OWC Mars: Analog so early? Djinger: It was exciting of course. Also pissed of the others in my writing... Djinger: classes. I was going for an MFA at the time and I was the... Djinger: only one writing genre fiction. The others wrote "literature" GA OWC Mars: Baryon> What made you decide on a leprecan detective Iog entry: ? Djinger: I'm not sure, Barry. I was remembering Garretts mysteries and... OWC Mars: I'm assuming that question has to do with your new book... Djinger: thought I would like to do something in the same vein. Djinger: Yes, Jan, it is. The Casebook of Doakes and Haig. Djinger: Now available from Twilight Times Books! OWC Mars: Excellent...available online? Djinger: Should be. Right, Lida? OWC Mars: Yes! Djinger: At first I wasn't going to write it because I wasn't sure a leprechaun... Djinger: would be accepted. Then I said why not? Of course, I've reinvented... Djinger: the mythology. And Robyn Willis at Alternate REalities was very ... Djinger: supportive as well. So it's been fun developing the alternate world. GA OWC Mars: Astra...queue? HOST EBK Astra: iog Iog entry: What are the last 2 books you read, Patrick? HOST EBK Astra: Welcome to the O*W*C, T83BIRD! Patrick Welch, fantasy, horror and alternate HOST EBK Astra: reality author, is answering questions for us tonight. T83BIRD: Heya all. Djinger: Oh, boy. I rarely have time to read anymore. I guess Dick Francis... Djinger: and Johnathan Gash. Mystery writers. GA Djinger: Can't recall the titles, sorry. HOST EBK Astra: Patrick - you're a fan of Lord Darcy and other Garret books? OWC Mars: Roach is dancing over in Cybling. T83BIRD: Patrick, I will mostly listen and learn. Maybe throw in a little levity here and there. Mostly here. Djinger: Get Roach OFF THE TABLES! Djinger: Yeah, I like Garret. Like a lot of the Old Guard actually... HOST EBK Astra: ::: happy dance ::: Djinger: It's who I grew up with. Anderson, Pohl, Kornbluth, so many more. GA OWC Mars: lol! OWC Mars: Heheheh... OWC Mars: * roach waggles her antenae at Djinger OWC Mars: Baryon> Will there be more adventures of Doakes and Haig? Djinger: Yes. A new story will appear next month in Alternate Realities... T83BIRD: And will they drink Haig and Haig? Djinger: It takes place after the stories in the antho. Kinda hoping some... Djinger: readers will want to go back and catch up on the hints and so forth. GA Djinger: Actually, TB, Haig and Haig is where I got the name. Not that I drink... T83BIRD: LOL Dj OWC Mars: Patrick...you have a couple of other books out right now... Djinger: There are some serious changes brewing ahead for my to heroes, me thinks. Djinger: Yes, Jan, I do. Unfortunately, the first two, The Thirteenth Magician... Djinger: and The Body Shop are currently homeless. Before/Beyond and... Djinger: Westchester Station is available at Crossroads Publishing. As of ... Djinger: right now, I'm not sure what will happen to my Brendell anthology. GA OWC Mars: Thanks Patrick. OWC Mars: Patrick, I notice that a lot of your work appears... HOST EBK Astra: Hi JoLin714 - welcome to the O*W*C. We're chatting with Patrick Welch, HOST EBK Astra: author of Before/Beyond (a Dream Realm Awards finalist) and Westchester HOST EBK Astra: Station. T83BIRD: Hi JoL OWC Mars: in a lot of diverse markets... online horror magazines and fantasy magazines. Iog entry: Hi Jo OWC Mars: Do you approach writing horror any differently thank writing fantasy? Djinger: Well, Jan, I like to write in a variety of genres. THink it goes back .. JoLin714: hi there everyone Djinger: to who I read growing up. Leiber, Anderson, Ellison and so forth... Djinger: wrote in all those genres. And, yes, horror I usually have to have... Djinger: a different mindset than with fantasy. Can certainly be more graphic. GA OWC Mars: Understandable. Do you find that it's more difficult... Djinger: What I can't write is hard Science Fiction. Not bright enough. HOST EBK Astra: Welcome to the O*W*C, Araiused! Patrick Welch, fantasy, horror and alternate HOST EBK Astra: reality author, is answering questions for us tonight. OWC Mars: to place your horror stories than your fantasy work? T83BIRD: Heyla Ara Iog entry: Hi Ara Araiused: 'Allo Djinger: Um, sometimes. Although Roach bought a few that were basically... Djinger: horror. I'm more the "twilight zone" horror than slash and gash horror. GA OWC Mars: You don't approve of splatter punk? Djinger: Not my thing, Jan. Although The Body Shop got close at times. GA OWC Mars: Baryon> Do you have more fun writing or performing in the band? Djinger: The band is surely more immediate. Of course, you're working... Djinger: as a team, with pluses and minuses. With writing, it's pure ego... Iog entry: Band? Djinger: since it's purely me. Unless I'm doing a solo, of course. Djinger: Yes computer master. I be in two different bands currently. OWC Mars: Two... names and where do you play? Djinger: Studebaker Slim and Catfish Bend. In the Toledo, Ohio area. Iog entry: Got a record deal? I mean beyond the usual 13 CDs for a penny. Djinger: Don't think a record company wants us :( HOST EBK Astra: Hi MelindaF6 - welcome to the O*W*C. We're chatting with Patrick Welch, HOST EBK Astra: author of Before/Beyond (a Dream Realm Awards finalist) and Westchester HOST EBK Astra: Station. T83BIRD: Hi Mel Araiused: What is your alternate reality? Araiused: Hi, Mel MelindaF6: hello! Djinger: Although we do some songs I've written. Djinger: Hmm, Aroused. I think I left that world after college. Iog entry: Need a production/road manager? MelindaF6: cool topic Djinger: get us the gigs and you're on! Iog entry: LOLOL Araiused: Don't you write alternate reality? MelindaF6: so Before what? Beyond What? T83BIRD: Maybe you could get on Regis and Kelly morning show. MelindaF6: reality? Djinger: On occasion. Doakes and Haig is. Although in a real sense ... Djinger: all fiction is alternate reality. But I'm assuming you're referring... HOST EBK Astra: Welcome to the O*W*C, MelindaF6! Patrick Welch, fantasy, horror and alternate HOST EBK Astra: reality author, is answering questions for us tonight. Djinger: to Turtledove and so forth and that I don't normally do. For ... Djinger: Doakes and Haig it seemed necessary, however. And fun! GA OWC Mars: roach> In what ways do you get to be more OWC Mars: graphic with horror than fantasy? Do you OWC Mars: mean more graphic as in descriptions of gore? OWC Mars: Or in another way? Djinger: The first, Roach. My stories at Bloodfetish were quite, uh, ... MelindaF6: i love the idea of alternate realitys.... Djinger: gory and sexual. Unlike much of what I write. Doakes and... Djinger: Haig, by comparison, is quite tame in that regard. Djinger: But then with them I was striving for some humor and a lighter mood. Djinger: I really think the story and intent determines how "graphic"... Djinger: you should get. GA OWC Mars: Patrick... do you find that the e-Publishing OWC Mars: business is a little more flexible in what they OWC Mars: will and will not print than the staid pulp OWC Mars: publishers as far as sex and gore is concerned? Djinger: Probably, Jan. My only real "editing" problem with a publisher ... Djinger: dealt with using trade names in the book. The lawyers were afraid ... Djinger: of lawsuits. But I think it says more about the character when you say .... Djinger: he drove a Chevy Nova rather than an old sedan. Specifics. GA Djinger: I CERTAINLY feel that e-publishers allow a writer more freedom.. Djinger: in style and substance. And length, come to think of it. GA OWC Mars: Speaking of pulp and e-Publishing, Patrick, of OWC Mars: the over 40 short stories you've written and OWC Mars: published, are most electronic? Djinger: Yes. One in Roach's anthology and one in 69 Flavors of Paranoia. ... Djinger: and several that would have appeared but the mags folded. GA Djinger: To be honest, I haven't been submitting to print lately. OWC Mars: Can you give us a particular or general reason for that? Djinger: Expense for one. Ease of submission for two. Fortunately, more... Djinger: print mags are accepting electronic subs. Which is a good thing. GA OWC Mars: Baryon> Is there any particular story you wish you had written? Djinger: Good question, Barry. Probably tons. Candide for sure. Grendel ... Djinger: just about anything by Ellison, some of Kuttner's work. Can't... Djinger: think of a specific title, but certainly lots of authors I admire. GA OWC Mars: So when you say "expense" you mean the OWC Mars: actual expense of printing the story out and OWC Mars: mailing it to a print publisher as opposed to OWC Mars: only emailing a file to an ePublisher? Djinger: Exactly, Jan. And the print industry is so tough to break into... Djinger: As just about any writer who isn't a name will tell you. GA Djinger: In the old days when we had to use a typewriter and gallons of... Djinger: white out, glad that is history! OWC Mars: I hear you. Djinger: You young'uns don't realize how much a computer helps when... OWC Mars: Do you think that electronic publishing is the OWC Mars: wave of the future for fantasy and horror OWC Mars: authors then? Djinger: writing. T83BIRD: > (just avoiding being booted for lurking) Djinger: I'm hoping, but until affordable e-book readers are available, it's... Djinger: going to take time. My friends are older and they can't get used... Djinger: to reading on the computer screen. And printing out copy kinda.... Djinger: defeats the purpose. On the plus side, you don't go out of print .. Iog entry: Time for sleep. Thanks for being here, Patrick. Thanks, Mars. G'night all. Djinger: unless your publisher folds or breaks the contract illegally. GA HOST EBK Astra: Night log! Djinger: 'nite LE OWC Mars: Night Log. OWC Mars: Patrick... I usually download to my PDA. I've found it to work well. Djinger: Haven't tried that but, then, I don't have a PDA. OWC Mars: It's possible to change the size of the print and everything. OWC Mars: Back to your alter ego, Patrick, Baryon> Do you have a favorite musical artist? Djinger: I like Jazz, Barry. Michael Franks in particular. Also getting back... Djinger: into hawaiian slack key guitar music. There are a lot of good ... Djinger: jazz guitarists coming up, although the giants like Pass, Montgomery... Djinger: and Farlow still appeal to me. Wish I could play like them! GA OWC Mars: Okay... is there a relationship between your music and your writing... OWC Mars: or is this an actual case of two warring talents? Djinger: I don't think so, Jan. I've certainly used music as plot/character T83BIRD: > Djinger: developments in The Thirteenth Magician. But on the whole I see... Djinger: them as totally separate. Music, after all, is in the moment and Djinger: done in a few minutes. You can always go back over a passage in... Djinger: a book, but you can't do anything about a mistake in a live... Djinger: performance. Except cry and curse of course. GA STARMOM79: Hi All HOST EBK Astra: author of Before/Beyond (a Dream Realm Awards finalist) and Westchester HOST EBK Astra: Station. Djinger: The similarities are that they both require practice, even if of... Djinger: a different sort. OWC Mars: So there is no danger that we'll be seeing you on the filking scene at a convention? HOST EBK Astra: Hi RF1369 - welcome to the O*W*C. We're chatting with Patrick Welch, HOST EBK Astra: author of Before/Beyond (a Dream Realm Awards finalist) and Westchester Djinger: Probably not, although years ago I did write a fantasy story/... HOST EBK Astra: Station. Djinger: song cycle. Kinda akin to Wakeman's Journey to the Center of... Djinger: the Earth but with a generous ripoff of a George RR Martin book... Djinger: It really needs to be on an album or CD with the narration connecting... Djinger: the various songs. GA OWC Mars: Speaking of Conventions Patrick... OWC Mars: Do you attend them and if so, when's the next one? Araiused: brb - phone Djinger: Haven't been to one in years, Jan. Went to a few Marcons in ... Djinger: Columbus. But there's nothing that close and money tends to ... Djinger: be a bit tight. Hope to change some of that next year. GA T83BIRD: > OWC Mars: According to your website you also have a day OWC Mars: gig in addition to your music and writing... did I OWC Mars: read that correctly? Djinger: I'm a freelance advertising copywriter (I hear Roach groaning) and... Djinger: I also teach guitar a few days a week at a friend's music store.... Djinger: I'm actually making more money now with music than with writing, ... Djinger: which is not what I wanted but c'est le vie. GA OWC Mars: Patrick...where do you find the time. Djinger: Actually, Jan, I have more than I care to admit. I'm mostly a ... Djinger: second shift worker and into the evening, so my mornings and... Djinger: early afternoons are usually free for writing or whatever. GA OWC Mars: But I'm willing to bet you don't know the names of OWC Mars: the characters on "Friends"... aren't there OWC Mars: somethings you have to give up to cram so much... OWC Mars: creativity into one life? Djinger: Well, I do live alone so I don't have those personal obligations... Djinger: So maybe I gave up some of that to pursue a dream I've had since... Djinger: I was just a little laddie. OWC Mars: Patrick, I want to talk a little more about your latest e-book... Djinger: Lida will be HAPPY to hear that! OWC Mars: The Casebook of Doakes and Haig OWC Mars: Now this is a fantasy/mystery cross genre... would you call it that? Araiused: bak Djinger: I think that's an accurate assessment. Maybe the "mystery" element... OWC Mars: lol! Djinger: is a bit unfair because solutions appear in the story that are not... Djinger: immediately apparent. But then I am recreating the leprechaun... Djinger: myth to suit my purposes. But they are indeed mysteries and I... Djinger: don't think they are too unfair to the reader. GA T83BIRD: Patrick, I recall a story called "The Muddle of the Woad" in which magic and technology... T83BIRD: both helped solve the mystery. Djinger: Sounds interesting, TB. In my DH world, technology is still at... OWC Mars: Reinventing the leprechaun...can you give us a OWC Mars: hint of how yours differe from the garden variety? HOST EBK Astra: Hi Athanor IX - welcome to the O*W*C. We're chatting with Patrick Welch, Athanor IX: Hi. HOST EBK Astra: author of Before/Beyond (a Dream Realm Awards finalist) and Westchester HOST EBK Astra: Station. Djinger: the 1800's level even though it is around 1950. So tech doesn't ... Djinger: play as much a part. What I'm working on now, however does. GA T83BIRD: Thanks, Patrick. Djinger: Jan: my leprechaun can turn into a human at will. For one... OWC Mars: Ah... 1950's... perfect noir weather.. Djinger: And the Blarney Stone has totally different powers than 'tis reputed... Araiused: Hi, Ath Djinger: to be. The rest, well, you'll have to read the antho! GA OWC Mars: Lida> http://www.twilighttimesbooks.com/Casebook_ss1.html OWC Mars: Just got that from Lida, Patrick... I'm assuming that's an excerpt we can read for free. Djinger: Thank's Lida. That particular story also appears in Before/Beyond.... Djinger: And, yes, it is free! GA Araiused: Free is always welcome LOL HOST EBK Astra: Hi JTOWN1737 - welcome to the O*W*C. We're chatting with Patrick Welch, HOST EBK Astra: author of Before/Beyond (a Dream Realm Awards finalist) and Westchester Djinger: As I say in a preface in the book, I think you can use mythology one.. HOST EBK Astra: Station. JTOWN1737: hey all Djinger: of two ways. Straight, no chaser, or change to your own purposes... Djinger: Obviously, in this instance, I did the latter. As Rice did with her... Djinger: vampires and so forth. GA JTOWN1737: Who is Patrick Welch? OWC Mars: So you've written about Doakes and Haig before. Several short stories or anthology? Araiused: Hi, JT! OWC Mars: http://www.sff.net/people/patrickw/ Djinger: I'm the guest of honor, I guess. Yes, I published four stories in ... OWC Mars: JTOWN... check out that URL and you'll find... OWC Mars: several of his stories online which you can read for free. Djinger: Alternate Realities. The antho has a new story and new novelette... JTOWN1737: ahhhhhh thank you Djinger: however, so over half the verbage is brand new and unavailable... Djinger: elsewhere. GA Djinger: And the original stories were tightened a bit to solve continuity... Djinger: problems, since I didn't approach this as a full-fledged and.. Djinger: plotted book. JTOWN1737: sorry to be so ignorant Djinger: you're forgiven, JT Araiused: Have a drink at the bar, JT :) T83BIRD: Thanks, Patrick. Must leave. Spouse has dialysis in the morning. Nite all. Araiused: Goodnight, T OWC Mars: Night T8. STARMOM79: Nite T Djinger: Goodnight and good luck TB HOST EBK Astra: Night T Djinger: Thanks for dropping by. JTOWN1737: Once told Harry Turtledove I had none of his work, still trying to live it down OWC Mars: Folks... we've kept Patrick on the hot seat for an OWC Mars: hour now... which is as long as we are allowed to OWC Mars: keep them duct taped down. Araiused: Any new books on the horizon, Patrick? HOST EBK Astra: Welcome to the O*W*C, Plmckissic! Patrick Welch, fantasy, horror and alternate Araiused: Hi, Plmc! HOST EBK Astra: reality author, is answering questions for us tonight. STARMOM79: Hi Plm Djinger: Working on a fantasy called Cynnador. It takes place in a bazaar... Plmckissic: Hi, Everyone! JTOWN1737: Will check out that website this weekend STARMOM79: That sounds interesting Djinger: it's coming along quite well since I've been plotting by the seat of... Djinger: my pants. It originally started as a 300 word exercise for Ardeon... Djinger: and caught my interest. Hope to have a draft done by the end of... Djinger: the year. I am hardly the world's fastest writer! GA Djinger: I'll take a minute to mention my web site... OWC Mars: You have way too many irons in the fire Patrick, and Roach says "heh" HOST EBK Astra: Have your characters eating different desserts, Patrick. Then you can call it The Trifle HOST EBK Astra: Bizarre :) OWC Mars: Please do Patrick. JTOWN1737: Has anyone ever read a magazine called Future Orbits? Djinger: www.sff.net/people/patrickw. Has a list of upcoming stories, etc. Araiused: Are you sometimes surprised by the way your story seems to have a life of its own? Djinger: Truffle? Astra. As in Day of the Truffles? JTOWN1737: Or heard of it? Araiused: Not me, JT. HOST EBK Astra: ::: snort ::: Araiused: Sounds familiar though, JT Djinger: Absolutely, Araiused. That's the most fun, discovering them... STARMOM79: Future Obits, tales of people who are going to die Djinger: and letting the characters take a life of their own. But I won't... Araiused: Why you ask, JT? Araiused: Arggh, STAR Djinger: let them stray too far. Or I off them. JTOWN1737: I downloaded the first issue, an sf magazine in .pdf format JTOWN1737: not bad Djinger: The Body Shop, not available currently, grew from a 5,000 word... Djinger: story to 40,000 word novelette because the characters kept... Djinger: demanding more. GA OWC Mars: Folks...do we have any final questions for Patrick before I pull the duct tape? HOST EBK Astra: Welcome to the O*W*C, BG1818! Patrick Welch, fantasy, horror and alternate Araiused: Hi, BG! HOST EBK Astra: reality author, is answering questions for us tonight. BG1818: Hello! STARMOM79: Hi BG BG1818: How is everybody??? Plmckissic: Hi, BG OWC Mars: lol. Araiused: Swell, BG JTOWN1737: cool OWC Mars: Okay...let's thank Patrick for coming out and answering our questions tonight... BG1818: Good! Glad to hear you are doing swell. STARMOM79: Sleepy, BG. This chat is bad for my rest OWC Mars: And I can say for one, that from the weight of the excerpt of... JTOWN1737: Thanks, Patrick Plmckissic: Thanks, Patrick! I hardly knew ye! Djinger: Thank you all for coming. I enjoyed it immensely! BG1818: Sorry I missed Patrick's talk. OWC Mars: The Casebook of Doakes and Haig...I'm gonna buy a copy. BG1818: I just got in. I've done a reception at my showing from my book, Dark Dreamers. OWC Mars: set him free! STARMOM79: Thanks, Patrick. I'll be looking for Cynnador HOST EBK Astra: ::: applause ::: Djinger: It's cheap at half the price OWC Mars: :::applause::: Araiused: Yaaay, BG! Djinger: OWC Mars: 8^D BG1818: It was fun. I had friends show up and some other people. So it was very nice. BG1818: Good fun! My sister in law did a good job on the food. Plmckissic: Very Cool, BG JTOWN1737: I'm going to bed, before it goes to me. Night all BG1818: So now my feet hurt because I wore those boots that don't fit so well anymore. STARMOM79: Nite JT Araiused: NIte, JT HOST EBK Astra: Night JT Plmckissic: Nite, JT! OWC Mars: Goodnight JT. BG1818: Good night jtown STARMOM79: Looking good is better that feeling good BG1818: Depends, I think. HOST EBK Astra: No way, STAR. Comfort rules. BG1818: I agree comfort should rule. STARMOM79: That was a Billy Crystal line BG1818: My friend MaryAnn said that I it shouldn't tonight. So I followed her advice. OWC Mars: ::::rips duct tape off Patrick::: OWC Mars: Goodnight Patrick! OWC Mars: Thanks again! HOST EBK Astra: Thanks again, Patrick! BG1818: In Billy Crystal's business I'm sure that looking good is very important. Being behind the camera, it's a question. Djinger: Goodnight Jan and everyone. Hope to see you soon. Araiused: Goodnight, Patrick! OWC Mars: Thanks for the interview! BG1818: Good night Patrick, even though we didn't meet. :::::::::::::End of Interview:::::::::::::: STARMOM79: He used to do an impersonation of Fernando Lamas HOST EBK Astra: ::: summersaulting :::: BG1818: I remember that. Wasn't that when he was on Saturday night live? STARMOM79: Yes Araiused: Body Shop gets me thinking about that soap shop... STARMOM79: And he always used to day it isn't important that you feel good as long as you look good. BG1818: I saw Billy Crystal's last movie. I thought it was pretty good. Araiused: Which movie was that? STARMOM79: With Julia Roberts? BG1818: Yes that was Fernando Lamas idea I think. BG1818: Yes it did have Julia Roberts. BG1818: I think it was called American Sweethearts. OWC Mars: Body Shop is a particularly interesting story, OWC Mars: Ara... about where you go to buy spare parts...t STARMOM79: Yes, I saw that with my daughter. I think it was the last time I went to the movies Araiused: With Zeta-Jones? OWC Mars: and the difficulties you can run into if you're OWC Mars: poor enough to be considered a "repository." STARMOM79: Yep, I was trying to think of her name Araiused: OIC, Mars BG1818: Yes it had Zeta jones in it as well. BG1818: I'm not great with titles or names. STARMOM79: Me neither BG1818: It also had John Cusack in it. BG1818: I remember him, I think he's kinda cute. STARMOM79: Did you see him in Grosse Point Blank? BG1818: Yes I did. I also saw his new one Sernidity. It's cute. OWC Mars: So... interesting chat tonight. I found it OWC Mars: interesting that Patrick is publishing almost OWC Mars: exclusively online now. BG1818: Sorry I missed it. Araiused: Hi, Gand! Gandalara: Yo yo :) STARMOM79: Hi Gand OWC Mars: Hi Gand! Welcome to the O*W*C. BG1818: Online seems to be the way many new authors are finding ways to be published. BG1818: Hello Gandalara Araiused: But you can buy his books in print, right? OWC Mars: Just a little post interview chat here. OWC Mars: Actually, Ara... his books are all online right now. Araiused: Yoyo Gand :) Plmckissic: Hi, Gand! OWC Mars: http://www.sff.net/people/patrickw/ OWC Mars: has links to all of his books... OWC Mars: which is in a way nice. OWC Mars: The Casebook of Doakes and Haig for instance is going for $4.50 BG1818: How's life on the chicken farm, Gand? Gandalara: Sorta busy :) OWC Mars: Which is a far cry from $28.00 for a new hardback. BG1818: I now I think of you everytime I use eggs. Gandalara: LOL STARMOM79: Eggzackly how does it get busier? BG1818: Which reminds me, didn't you say you'd send me a cookbook about eggs? STARMOM79: Do the chickens speed up for the holidays? Gandalara: Sales and holidaze :) Gandalara: Ack. SOrry BG. Will do! STARMOM79: Easter must wipe you out! BG1818: I think of using eggs all year long. OWC Mars: BTW, folks...while I have you here... Gandalara: I'm not a very nice person around then, STAR :) OWC Mars: FRIDAY, OCT 26, 9pm-11pm ET -- OWC Mars: Speculative fiction is unique in the fact that OWC Mars: authors can legitimately build entire worlds OWC Mars: and cultures from the ground up -- ignoring OWC Mars: historical or contemporary context. Who are OWC Mars: some of the master worldsmiths of science BG1818: I don't really do Easter with boiled eggs. OWC Mars: fiction? Join HOST EBK Shadow in SF OWC Mars: General chat for a night of Worldbuilding! OWC Mars: THEN OWC Mars: FRIDAY, OCT 26, 10pm-12am ET -- OWC Mars: What are our options for future space OWC Mars: exploration? What should we be OWC Mars: doing? Where should we be going? OWC Mars: How can individuals get involved? OWC Mars: Should it be government sponsored or OWC Mars: come from the private sector? Join OWC Mars: HOST EBK Astra in the O*W*C for a OWC Mars: night of Exploring Space. OWC Mars: And in case you were interested... OWC Mars: Next Week: November 1 - Dave Kuzminski BG1818: Tolkien! OWC Mars: Thursday, November 1 at 10 pm Eastern OWC Mars: Time we'll be interviewing Dave OWC Mars: Kuzminski aka AtkButterfly in the O*W*C OWC Mars: and at Cybling.com OWC Mars: Founder and chief cook and bottle OWC Mars: washer of Preditors & Editors, Dave Athanor IX: Vance OWC Mars: spends a lot of time keeping his finger on OWC Mars: the pulse of fantastic fiction publishing. If OWC Mars: you want to know the ins and outs of OWC Mars: publishing... who pays and who doesn't, OWC Mars: who's just a little backlogged and who's OWC Mars: an unmitigated villain, then Preditors & OWC Mars: Editors should be one of your OWC Mars: bookmarks/favorite places. OWC Mars: ****************** OWC Mars: URLS! OWC Mars: http://www.sfwa.org/prededitors/ OWC Mars: http://www.cybling.com/boards/bfly.html OWC Mars: http://www.cybling.com/artists/Kuzminski_ OWC Mars: Dave.html BG1818: McCaffery Gandalara: Davey Boy's gonna be here? Cool! OWC Mars: Yes indeed. STARMOM79: Momma Mia thats a bigga macro Gandalara: LOL Star Araiused: My, my, that macro was huge! Athanor IX: Leiber. BG1818: Andre Norton STARMOM79: What about McCaffrey? OWC Mars: Yes...but it was extremely informative. BG1818: She created a world. STARMOM79: Oh, she vreated several, I love her STARMOM79: Created even BG1818: I probably spelt her name wrong. My spelling is awful. OWC Mars: I've decided to be in a contest with Shadow. I OWC Mars: think I can produce longer, more exciting OWC Mars: macros. Athanor IX: Moorcock Plmckissic: I have bad spells all the time, BG, they go away.... Araiused: LOL, Mars STARMOM79: Plm, LOL Araiused: Have a spell-buster, Plm BG1818: Do they? Well this one's been around oh about 46 years. Gandalara: LOL Plmckissic: LOL, BG STARMOM79: I spell fine, I'm just a lousey typist BG1818: I must confess that my spelling has gotten better since I chat on line. It use to be worse. Araiused: It's your fingers that can't spell, STAR STARMOM79: Right, Ara OWC Mars: I was a little disappointed to hear that Patrick Welch doesn't do conventions. Athanor IX: I find that positioning my keyboard so I can't see it is a great aid to typing accuracy. OWC Mars: Gand... have you notice a trend in e-Published authors in that regard? BG1818: I don't think that would help me at all. OWC Mars: I should do a survey or something. STARMOM79: I do think that lately I've become sloppier. I think my grade school teachers are rolling over in their graves BG1818: Well many authors don't do conventions. OWC Mars: They don't Beth? OWC Mars: Even pulp authors? STARMOM79: So you can't see it? Gandalara: Not really, Mars. I think it's personal likes and dislikes. BG1818: Yes! Some of them I've photographed in there homes because they don't usually go. BG1818: Most of the Pulp authors are getting too old to go much of anywhere. OWC Mars: Well yeah, that's true. Araiused: Hey, I haven't been going to Cons until O*W*C started the trend :) OWC Mars: I think that Frederick Pohl only does the conventions here in Chicago... BG1818: Jack Williamson quit going a few years ago. OWC Mars: or did he make this year's worldcon? Athanor IX: I have never attended a SF con. BG1818: Yeah I can believe that. I only see Fred Pohl at World Con. STARMOM79: Ath, you better watch out. We have two years to work on you before Torcon Gandalara: My next con is in 28 days :) Neener neener. BG1818: Yes Fred Pohl was at this years World Con and looked in better health than he had the year before. Araiused: LOL, Gand Athanor IX: I'm skeered. Araiused: LOLOL STARMOM79: You better be, boy! BG1818: I've never seen Sherry Tepper or Ursala LeGuin at a convention. Plmckissic: Ath, I always pronounced that ah-skeered!!! Araiused: LOL, Plmc Gandalara: Tepper's a recluse, LeGUin's health isn't that good. STARMOM79: He is a Yankee, Plm Plmckissic: Oh, Ath, I am so very sorry for you..... Athanor IX: I was reaching for a "stoner" effect. BG1818: I photographed her in Portland this past July. she was in fine health then. Gandalara: ::: knock knock knock, Plm ::: Plmckissic: LOL, Ath Araiused: We should place a fan add in the ConJose Progress Araiused: Report about O*W*C, SF General and Cybling. Gandalara: BG, I heard she's fine as long as she doesn't travel too much. ::: shrugs ::: Plmckissic: I don't KNOW what it's like in there, Gand! Don't ask!!!! BG1818: That may be true. I photographed her at home. Gandalara: $$$, Ara. I paid for one a few years back. Araiused: I know, Gand. Araiused: $30 for a 1/4 page OWC Mars: Jeeze louise! OWC Mars: That's cheap. Plmckissic: That's actually pretty cheap when you think about it Gandalara: And the Program Book is about 4 times that amount. BG1818: Well, I'm getting tried, so it's time to go to bed. My animals are all at my feet saying pay a attention to us! So time to get off line. OWC Mars: Beth...thanks! Gandalara: Night BG! BG1818: Take care! Araiused: SEe ya, BG! BG1818: BYE! Plmckissic: Nite, BG, congrats on your receptionj! STARMOM79: Nite BG BG1818: Thank you Starmom. Gandalara: afk ... OWC Mars: Just FYI folks...Dave Kuzminski is next OWC Mars: week... followed by Lucy Snyder.. (another OWC Mars: vampire author) and then Beth Gwinn... OWC Mars: will be our special guest on November 15. Araiused: Who is BG1818 in disguise :) OWC Mars: LOL. Plmckissic: I don't know who these peoples am. STARMOM79: Ara, even I figured that out Plmckissic: I'm going to have to do some homework! OWC Mars: BG1818 is Beth Gwinn, plm. Plmckissic: Ah-HA! OWC Mars: Dave Kuzminski is the editor of Preditors & OWC Mars: Editors, and online guideline about publishers OWC Mars: for authors. OWC Mars: and Lucy Snyder is a new author... so you're not falling down if you don't know her yet. STARMOM79: Is he good to know if you want to be published, Mars? OWC Mars: Starmom, he's good to know if you want to find a publisher... STARMOM79: Hi Patt Patterner: Hi folks! OWC Mars: who won't rip you off. Plmckissic: Thanks for the info, Mars! You saved me so much time! OWC Mars: Hi Patt. Araiused: Hi, Patt STARMOM79: I want to sit next to him, then Plmckissic: Hi, Patt Patterner: Hi Ara! Hi Ath! Hi Plm! Hi STAR! Hi Gand! Hi Patterner: Mars! Araiused: LOL, STAR OWC Mars: So...Ara...what is this Fan Ad thingy? OWC Mars: I must have missed something in the thread. OWC Mars: What is a Fan Ad and why would one take it OWC Mars: out? Araiused: Place a black and white ad in the Progress Report, Mars. Araiused: Just promotion Gandalara: bak OWC Mars: Okay. Interesting...and not a bad idea. Athanor IX: The only Progress Report I know is a progressive rock fanzine. Araiused: Spread the word around :) Araiused: LOL, Ath OWC Mars: Athanor...we really do have to get you out of the house to a convention. Patterner: We've done it for other cons. OWC Mars: You've gotten Athanor out for other cons Patt? Athanor IX: Not to my knowledge. STARMOM79: Maybe you carried that stoner thingy too far? Patterner: No, we've put ads in other PRs and Program Patterner: Books. :) Araiused: I think the deadline for placing ads in the December report has passed. STARMOM79: What kind of ad would you place? Patterner: I think Gand paid for one and I paid for the Patterner: rest. Araiused: If you want you have to aim for the January report. OWC Mars: I find it curious that many authors don't attend OWC Mars: conventions. I had always thought that was OWC Mars: *the* way to make connections. Athanor IX: Vance seldom attended conventions. Patterner: Oh, there are lots of authors at cons. But we Patterner: don't have cons so authors can connect. Araiused: About our chats, STAR. STARMOM79: Oh Araiused: With a squid logo or some such. Patterner: Usually we use the nebula in a coffee cup image. STARMOM79: We should try to do something with Hopper's Nighthawks and call it the O*W*C STARMOM79: The counterman could be an alien OWC Mars: Okay...let's see... Ath and Starmom haven't done a convention recently, correct? STARMOM79: True OWC Mars: Everyone else is has though? Athanor IX: I haven't done a convention ever. Patterner: We've had an image like that, too, but not in an Patterner: ad. The ads are usually b&w, so you need to Patterner: make the image fairly simple. STARMOM79: I'm going to Conjose, though OWC Mars: Yes indeedy Star...Plm...are you a conventioneer? Gandalara: I love taking virgins to conventions. That wide-eyed look is unforgettable :) OWC Mars: LOL. Patterner: Plm ghosted a bit of MilPhil. STARMOM79: And Ath is going to Toronto but he doesn't know it . OWC Mars: LOL STARMOM79: That's me, Gand-a Virgin:) Athanor IX: I am? STARMOM79: Yepper Araiused: Aliens will appear on your doorstep to abduct you, Ath :) Plmckissic: Mars - attended my first one in Sept. at Philcon. Got to meet jGand, chip, shadow, JT, Jdipale, figgy Plmckissic: Patt - Rasgold, who else? Araiused: And E, Plmc! STARMOM79: A bunch of women will descend on your home and carry you off. Imagine the headlines that will make OWC Mars: LOL Gandalara: MT is coming to Toronto for sure :) Plmckissic: I sat in on some very interesting forums. had lots of fun. Plmckissic: AND EEEEEEE of course!!!!! STARMOM79: I'm looking forward to the Dealers' rooms Patterner: Did you actually join, Plm? I thought you were Patterner: ghosting. :) OWC Mars: Excellent. Did you meet a lot of authors Plm? DerHexer: Hi all STARMOM79: Hi Der Patterner: Hi Der! Araiused: Hi,Der OWC Mars: Hello there Der...just a little... Plmckissic: Mars, I didn't get to meet any authors, But Gand was a very good guide for my first con. Araiused: Good ol' EM :) OWC Mars: post interview chat here in the O*W*C...we're talking conventions. Plmckissic: Showed me a lot of them as we passed them. Plmckissic: What does that mean, Patt? OWC Mars: LOL. Plmckissic: Hi, Der DerHexer: I've been to 2 conventions - one in 1965, the other in 1979 Patterner: Well, if you don't have a membership and you Patterner: just hang out with con people, it's called Patterner: ghosting. OWC Mars: Sounds like a good tourguide "And to your left OWC Mars: is the renowned author Heinlein, deceased. OWC Mars: To your right, buns of Steele. Move along OWC Mars: please." DerHexer: LOL Mars Gandalara: Hey! I'm proud of that Buns of Steele!!! LOL Plmckissic: And you thought I was doing that? Gee, that's not a very nice opinion of me, is it? DerHexer: I have abs of Budweiser Gandalara: LOL Der STARMOM79: A six oack? OWC Mars: LOL. "Please don't fall behind the group. We OWC Mars: can't be responsible for what may happen if STARMOM79: pack OWC Mars: you don't stay with the group." Patterner: It's not a judgment, lots of people do that. STARMOM79: I need one of those child harnesses Plmckissic: But, hey, nice of you to bring it up DerHexer: For yourself, STAR?? OWC Mars: That can be arranged Star. Patterner: STAR, these days, they usually use family Patterner: radios. STARMOM79: Yes, so I don't get lost OWC Mars: Gand, can we put that on the list? Araiused: LOL, STAR OWC Mars: Black or red Star? STARMOM79: Got anything in a navy? OWC Mars: LOL. STARMOM79: Otherwise, black will do Araiused: LOL, child harnesses now? Gandalara: I always bring collars. I'll just bring a few leashes too ::: evil grin :::: DerHexer: I just finished reading Dune House Corrino. It was disappointing - poorly written and hasty ending OWC Mars: I'm going to change the thread here, as there OWC Mars: is nothing in this thread that I can currently OWC Mars: type. OWC Mars: Dune House Corrino...yet another Dune novel? OWC Mars: And thank you Der. Plmckissic: I gave up on Chapter House Dune, Der, I didn't understand what the heck was going on DerHexer: Yes, sequel to the prequels Dune House Atreides and Dune House Harkonnen Athanor IX: I read the first three and quit. Gandalara: Chicken, Mars Athanor IX: There's a point at which something ceases to be a series and becomes an industry. OWC Mars: Well, you would know one if you saw one, wouldn't you Gand. OWC Mars: 8^7 Gandalara: Bwahck STARMOM79: Wheel of Time, Inc OWC Mars: You know, I never made it past the first OWC Mars: books, so all of you have my admiration. You OWC Mars: have amazing staying power. Araiused: bwagck? DC on the keyboard? DerHexer: I made it thru Children of Dune, and gave up on the third Dune book OWC Mars: LOLOL, Ara. Araiused: 3rd Dune is Children of Dune Gandalara: Chicken, Ara :) Araiused: 2nd is Dune Messiah Araiused: Ahso :) DerHexer: Well, whatever, Ara, I made it thru Dune Messiah STARMOM79: My eyes are drooping, by tush is numb, it's time for me to leave. Night all. Thanks, Mars OWC Mars: I sit in awe. OWC Mars: Starmom...thanks for coming out. Araiused: Nite, STAR! DerHexer: Nite STAR Gandalara: Night STAR! OWC Mars: And just a reminder.... Plmckissic: Nite, Starmom! OWC Mars: get out here and bother Shadow over in SciFi at 9... OWC Mars: and then come back to the O*W*C at 10 to bedevil Astra. DerHexer: Your talking Eastern time, Janice? Gandalara: She's in hell anyway. Why not? :) Araiused: LOLOL, Gand OWC Mars: Astra's in hell? Again, I sit in awe. Plmckissic: LOL DerHexer: Astra went to Sizzler?? Gandalara: Der, you should know by now. AOL time = ET time. No matter how wrong they are :) OWC Mars: Actually, one of the reasons I like eBooks so OWC Mars: much these days is that the majority of them OWC Mars: are of the smaller size I grew to know... Araiused: Hell is better than Paradiso nowadays :) OWC Mars: and love when I first started reading SF. OWC Mars: None of these endless series of 400-500 page books. DerHexer: Well, Gand, I keep hoping someone will come to their senses Gandalara: Yeahright. DerHexer: I'm on N. California time myself Araiused: AOL = ET time. Don't change it, it will only confuse the'puter Gandalara: Hey now Mars. The longer the read, the better usually :) OWC Mars: Sometimes, Gand. Gandalara: You will *never convert me to reading off a screen. Sorry :) Araiused: I like long read actually, if it's good. OWC Mars: But then there are those of us who feel guilty putting a book down before it's finished... OWC Mars: nd there are some books that just cannot be finished. OWC Mars: And Gand... we'll see about that at ConJose. Gandalara: HA! OWC Mars: I *will* bring duct tape. Araiused: LOL, Mars Araiused: A bottle of wine would have better results, Mars Gandalara: Remember, you'll be at my mercy. I'm driving :) DerHexer: Will it be like that scene if Clockwork Orange where Gand has little clips holding the eyelids open? OWC Mars: No, we want her to be able to read the little screen Ara. Araiused: LOL, Der OWC Mars: Why Der, you're a dear. Thanks for the suggestion. Araiused: She uses toothpicks, Der DerHexer: Staples work too Gandalara: Ara's right. Wine works wonders :) OWC Mars: The ones with the little celophane fluffs on the ends. Plmckissic: Wine, Gand!!!!! Araiused: Well, we have a couple of people bringing laptops. OWC Mars: I may have to pack the trunk. Gandalara: Plm, the only bottle I have left is that apple spiced wine. But it won't get cold enough Gandalara: here. Plmckissic: wine and a wawa hoagie - what could be better? Araiused: A trunk? OWC Mars: And what with there being a limit to carryons these days... a trunk might be a good idea. DerHexer: what is a wawa hoagie?? Gandalara: Mars, that's what Figgy did. But his was overweight on the way home :/ OWC Mars: Yeah...ship a trunk out ahead. Araiused: Only one carry-on now, right? Araiused: Ack, Gand OWC Mars: Which would be my purse. Gandalara: Der - like Subway sandwich Plmckissic: A Wawa is like a 7-11, Der. Patterner: One carry-on and a "personal" item, like a purse. Gandalara: Ship boxes to my house!!!! OWC Mars: My purse weighs in at 25 lbs. Gandalara: LOL. Lethal weapon DerHexer: One carryon - that's good. You should see what people used to haul on board - suit bags bulging like OWC Mars: I would be hard pressed to pass it off as a personal item. DerHexer: Homer Simpson DerHexer: Plm, where does one find Wawas?? OWC Mars: Well folks...we are at that benighted portion of the evening... Araiused: How about a backpack and a carry-on? OWC Mars: when I finally give up trying to force you to talk about science fiction.... Gandalara: There was one in downtown Philly. I cracked up everytime I saw the name. Araiused: Smallish backpack Plmckissic: Pa. De. NJ Patterner: Well, they do use purse as an example. I Patterner: figured I'd use the makeup bag my meds travel Patterner: in as my personal thing. OWC Mars: and gracefully piroette out the door...skirts flying. Patterner: Thanks, Mars! Good chat! Araiused: Thanks, Mars!! Gandalara: Thanks Mars! Patterner: See y'all tomorrow! OWC Mars: See you all next week for the Dave Kuzminski chat... Plmckissic: Wawas was Indians - or Native Americans if you prefer. Gandalara: Later all! OWC Mars: Goodnight! DerHexer: Nite everyone OWC Mars: :::leaps to window::: Araiused: Goodnight, all! Plmckissic: Nite, Mars, Thanks! OWC Mars: :::fluffs skirts and:::: Araiused: :: grabs Mars ::: Plmckissic: Nite all OWC Mars: :::parachutes out::: Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 4] 10/25/01 11:00 PM