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PowerChat:	*** Entered Other Worlds SF Chat on 8/14/97 at 10:01 PM ***
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BLR WIZ:	Hi Gand
Gandalara:	Hi All!!!
RELM Muse:	LOL Rowr!
RELM Muse:	Hi Gand!
N trek1701:	hi grand
RELM Muse:	Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe!
RELM Muse:	SF author James Van Pelt (VVanP) is here tonight to talk about

RELM Muse:	his writing and writing in general!
RELM Muse:	Actually, he's not here yet.  Let's hope he's here soon. :)
BLR WIZ:	Hi Amer
RELM Muse:	Hi Amer!
RELM Muse:	You've found the Other*Worlds*Cafe and we're talking to
RELM Muse:	the Virtual Van Pelt!
AmerasuSB:	Hi Friends!
RELM Muse:	James Van Pelt will be leading a workshop on writing at Worldcon!
Gandalara:	:::looking around::: I don't see him :)  Oh.
Gandalara:	Hi Amer!

RowrBasil:	Wall..where is he? I paid to see Fearless Freep do a high divin' act and I'm a-gonna see a high diving
RowrBasil:	act!
Bahwolf:	No Van Pelt.  <pout>
RELM Muse:	Nope, he's not here yet.  He read my mail with the reminder, so I hope he'll be here soon.
Gandalara:	LOL
BLR WIZ:	LOL Rowr
RELM Muse:	LOl Rowr!
N trek1701:	well again forgive me for my lack on knowlage.. who is van pelt
Bahwolf:	he knew when I talked to him yesterday.
RELM Muse:	Ntrek, he's one of the folks who chats here, and he has a story in the new Analog, as..

RowrBasil:	A writer who has had story published in Sept. issue of Analog--
Gandalara:	A *published* author, N :)
Bahwolf:	James Van Pelt is a writer of SF short stories.
RELM Muse:	well as some earlier published stories.  He'll be doing a workshop on writing at Worldcon.
AmerasuSB:	Well, I might as well jump in.....He's a writer, N.
Valcory:	so who is he
RELM Muse:	Scroll up, Val. :)
Valcory:	why
RowrBasil:	Somebody who has actually SOLD one of the stories he FINISHED writing..
RELM Muse:	He may be having trouble with signing on.

AmerasuSB:	Is there a specific topic about VV?
Valcory:	opps sorry
AmerasuSB:	That we're discussing, that is.
RELM Muse:	Well, we were going to talk about his writing and how to write and how to sell.
RowrBasil:	For that, all unfinished and unpublished are impressed..
N trek1701:	ok ok ok... hay just because i am young doesn't mean i am a moron
Bahwolf:	There's a web page out there for him.
RELM Muse:	We have one of his stories in the library, and some folks have read it.
AmerasuSB:	We all love you, N. : )
Gandalara:	I liked it :)

RELM Muse:	Really, Bah?  He told me he couldn't remember the URL and I couldn't find it...
Bahwolf:	Try one of the pages at sff.net
RELM Muse:	with Yahoo.
RowrBasil:	No, N, it doesn't. I know a lot of older morons..
RELM Muse:	Ah, I should have thought of that.
AmerasuSB:	Really, Muse?  How do I find it?
Valcory:	when is he here
Bahwolf:	Try www.sff.net/people and look for his name
RELM Muse:	The library is in the listbox on our main screen, and the story is a few files down,..
Bahwolf:	most of us <g> are there.

RELM Muse:	started with STORY:
RELM Muse:	LOL Bah -- gonna tell us who you are?
RELM Muse:	Hi Spleen!
Gandalara:	HI Spleen!!!!!!!!!
BLR WIZ:	Hi Spleen
RELM Muse:	Our guest isn't here yet, so we're talking about him. :)
Bahwolf:	Follow the initials.
RowrBasil:	(image of prison dining room, all of OWC starts pounding their tables...)
AmerasuSB:	Howdy, Spleen.
Gandalara:	:::trying to peer thru Bah's mask::::

Valcory:	hi
SpleenVent:	Hiya Am,Av,Ba,Blr,Gand,NT,Muse,Rowr & Val
AmerasuSB:	Hmm. A guessing game.  Are you Grey?
Gandalara:	plastic or metal forks, Rowr? :)
Bahwolf:	hi, Spleen!
Bahwolf:	Grey?
AVNgal:	Spleen, I like it!
BLR WIZ:	Hi Min
RowrBasil:	(glancing peevishly at watch..Mickey's big hand is on his though and his little hand...
AmerasuSB:	Are you Hari?

Bahwolf:	Only when I feel really ill.
Valcory:	hi min
Gandalara:	Hi Min!
RELM Muse:	Hi Min!
RELM Muse:	Do you want to write SF?
SpleenVent:	:)
RELM Muse:	This is the Other*Worlds*Cafe and we're talking to
RELM Muse:	James Van Pelt (VVanP), SF writer!
MinVase:	hello folks
SpleenVent:	Hiya Min

Bahwolf:	Brian Hopkine, Amerasu.  I've sold a few things.
RowrBasil:	thigh, not though--sorry
AVNgal:	hi
Bahwolf:	Hopkins, that is.
RELM Muse:	Well, he isn't here yet, but we hope he will be soon.
AmerasuSB:	Oh.  I thought you might be an O*W*Cer in disguise.
Bahwolf:	Nope.
Bahwolf:	First time here.
RELM Muse:	Any recently, Bah?
Bahwolf:	Jim asked me to pop in.

Valcory:	hes late
Bahwolf:	Lots recently.
Gandalara:	maybe he has stagefright?
Bahwolf:	I was on the Stoker ballot this year.
Bahwolf:	Didn't win.
RELM Muse:	So where would we find it?  I have to admit, I'm bad at short story author names.
RELM Muse:	(we'll just grill you until he shows up)
N trek1701:	or maby he no longer has time for the little people
Bahwolf:	Sure.
BLR WIZ:	I've sold a few books, or is it more of a trade in at the used book store? :)

AmerasuSB:	No, N, never.
N trek1701:	girll a squid
Valcory:	so what's his books title
Bahwolf:	LOL, Wiz.
RELM Muse:	LOL BLR!
RowrBasil:	Won't answer Billy Barty's calls, N?
MinVase:	oh dear Muse, tell him not to take it personally, everyone gets it! lol
AVNgal:	calamari for everyone!
Bahwolf:	Yum.
RELM Muse:	Val, he's sold short stories.  The one in our library is "Teaching" and the one in the..

RELM Muse:	Analog is "Fish."
Valcory:	mmmmmm.
RELM Muse:	Bah, squid are our mascots.  They *like* being thrown, really.
Bahwolf:	Oh, that explains a lot!
RowrBasil:	'The Big One' is the title, page 63.
Valcory:	where is he
RELM Muse:	Ah, he sent it to me in e-mail, and it's titled Fish. :)
RowrBasil:	of September Analog.
N trek1701:	i thought analog was a watch
MinVase:	page 63 of what Rowr?

RELM Muse:	Val, if we knew that, we'd be talking to him. :)
Valcory:	mmmm
Gandalara:	Analog, Min
Bahwolf:	Haven't read the Fish story, but Jim's ADV of S&S story is a good one.
Valcory:	ages?
MinVase:	i have a problem even finding Analog in our town, to my neverending dismay
Bahwolf:	It's garned three Neb recs so far (one of them from me)
RELM Muse:	All righty, here's his URL: http://www.sff.net/people/James.Van.Pelt/
RowrBasil:	ages? DARK
RELM Muse:	I know, Min.  The one at the Giant here is still the July/August issue.

Gandalara:	Min - subscribe, subscribe! THey need the people! :)
MinVase:	i don't mean old ones, i mean any
RELM Muse:	LOL
Valcory:	ages
N trek1701:	i have never heard of analog
Valcory:	ages
BLR WIZ:	We don't do that here Val.
MinVase:	subscribed for years and then had fights with the billing dept.
RELM Muse:	Nt, it's been around a long time.  It's one of the major SF mags.
AmerasuSB:	Gand, I don't think the stores around here carry Analog.  Do they have a website where I can

AmerasuSB:	subscribe?
RELM Muse:	Oh, BLR!  I didn't realize that's what she meant.
SpleenVent:	Haven't seen an Analog in a lonnnnng time
N trek1701:	like i said i am the baby here
RowrBasil:	Analog is what John Campbell started as Astounding, then renamed...
Valcory:	who's she
RELM Muse:	Right, Val, we don't do that. :)  We don't care how old people are as long as they..
RELM Muse:	like SF.
N trek1701:	probally by a decade
Gandalara:	I haven't been able to find it, Amer. I know they have e-mail on compuserve.

BLR WIZ:	Covering for you Muse, while you search for the missing author.
Valcory:	cool
RowrBasil:	Have a permanent subscription..
RELM Muse:	They don't have a web site, just the e-mail address.
Valcory:	I think that's what the internets for
Valcory:	no ages
AmerasuSB:	Could you send it my way, Muse?
Valcory:	etc
Gandalara:	Rowr - what do you do with your old mags? Save them?
RowrBasil:	donate them to thrft stores..

Valcory:	burn em
AmerasuSB:	Just whenever, I mean. : )
BLR WIZ:	Hi SUN
SpleenVent:	Maybe the Squid are giving the missing author an iniation or something
RELM Muse:	And Bah here's page is:  http://www.sff.net/people/Brian_A_Hopkins/
RowrBasil:	or free librarys at apla
RELM Muse:	Hi SUNDAY!
RELM Muse:	We're waiting for our guest. :)
Bahwolf:	Thanks, Muse.
RELM Muse:	LOL SpleenQ

BLR WIZ:	Hi Tech
SUNDAY286:	hello
RELM Muse:	Hi Tech!
SpleenVent:	Techyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Valcory:	hi
AmerasuSB:	Hi Sun!
Gandalara:	I give my to highschools (it's also tax deductable) <G>
AmerasuSB:	Hi Tech!
MinVase:	used to donate them to library to proselytize the genre.
RELM Muse:	We're still waiting for the Virtual Van Pelt. :)

Gandalara:	Hi Tech!!!!!
AVNgal:	hi tech
Gandalara:	my - mine
AmerasuSB:	Wow, Gand, that's a cool idea.
MinVase:	and taxing too
RELM Muse:	I usually give them to the hosts who don't buy them. :)
Gandalara:	The school libraries like it, and so do the physics teachers.
Gandalara:	LOL Muse
AmerasuSB:	I bet so!
Techyo:	Hi trek, Amera, Bahwolf, Val, Rowr, AV, BLR, Muse, Gand, Spleen, Min, and Sunday!

RowrBasil:	Van? Will you get in here before I start singing Gilbert and Sullivan?
Bahwolf:	Hi Techyo
SpleenVent:	Gand it doosen't seem right that Tax is not a 4 letter word
MinVase:	are you any good Rowr?
LOG COUNT:	There were 13 member(s) in Other Worlds SF Chat at 10:15 PM

Valcory:	in where
RELM Muse:	LOL Spleen!
RowrBasil:	in the room
Gandalara:	LOL Spleen!
N trek1701:	hi ya techyo

Valcory:	i am
Valcory:	lol
AmerasuSB:	o/~ Oh! Three little maids from school......o/~
RELM Muse:	I dunno, Rowr...  What voice are you?
RowrBasil:	"ALL OF THEM"
Techyo:	So we lost Van, huh?
Bahwolf:	Never had him to lose
Valcory:	yep
N trek1701:	when do we sacrifice the vergin to the squid?
MinVase:	while we're waiting, i tried to send spam mail to TOSspam and it says I am

AVNgal:	never arrived
Bahwolf:	Hey, we got a virgin?
BLR WIZ:	The aliens have kidnapped Van....
AmerasuSB:	Voices? Is Reg here?
Bahwolf:	No one told me that.
RELM Muse:	LOL
MinVase:	"Blind Copied">>>what does that mean?
RELM Muse:	HI Adda!
RELM Muse:	Have you read the new Analog?
RELM Muse:	You've found the Other*Worlds*Cafe and we're talking

RELM Muse:	to SF author James Van Pelt (VVanP) about his new story!
Adda:	Hello, Muse  :)
Gandalara:	Rowr - apla?
Techyo:	Hi Adda.
Gandalara:	Hi Adda!
BLR WIZ:	HI Adda
Valcory:	hi
RowrBasil:	aidsprojectla
RELM Muse:	Our guest isn't here yet, so we're just talking about him.
SUNDAY286:	The squid ate Van.

AmerasuSB:	You mean to sacrifice to the PuntMonster, BAH?
SpleenVent:	Hiya Adda
AVNgal:	hello Adda
Gandalara:	ahso.
AmerasuSB:	Hi Adda!
Bahwolf:	Punt or pun?
N trek1701:	nope to the squid
Adda:	Hello to all  :)
Valcory:	hi
Bahwolf:	If we starting pun-ing, I'm outta here.

Techyo:	PUNt
N trek1701:	well either or bah
N trek1701:	lol
Valcory:	where is he
RELM Muse:	Min, it means there may be other recipients and you don't get to know who they all are.
Adda:	We're having a guest?
Techyo:	So talk some SF Bah and divert us.
Techyo:	<G>
RELM Muse:	No punning, Bah?  Good night to come, we have pun night coming up soon. :)
Valcory:	uh

Bahwolf:	Uh, do I have to use words like "Trek"?
RELM Muse:	Adda, we're supposed to have James Van Pelt him tonight. :)
Techyo:	Hi Bob!
RELM Muse:	Hi Bob!
AmerasuSB:	Hi, Bob.
SpleenVent:	Hiya Bob
BLR WIZ:	Not again Muse...  :)
Gandalara:	Hi Bob!
RowrBasil:	hi fightin
BLR WIZ:	Hi Bob

Adda:	Ah.  :)
RELM Muse:	However, the Virtual Van Pelt hasn't appeared yet.
Adda:	Hello, Bob  :)
Valcory:	pun nite ?
N trek1701:	but i think he forgot aobut us
FightinBob:	Howdy!
AVNgal:	OK 15min is fashionably late......
Valcory:	too true
RELM Muse:	Or he's having trouble signing on, or he can't convert time zones. :)
MinVase:	hi Bob, Adda Techyo

AVNgal:	tapping fingers
Adda:	Perhaps he got caught in the traffic coming through Georgetown  ;)
Valcory:	20 min i say
N trek1701:	so the laternate topic tonight... cyborg squid and the women who loved them
Bahwolf:	Muse, I could talk about my short novel coming out soon.
RELM Muse:	LOL Adda, he's in CO.
FightinBob:	Well, we'll go nuts if we just sit here!
Bahwolf:	That should run most of them off.  <g>
Adda:	Lucky him.  :D
Gandalara:	And he knows how to find the place :)

AmerasuSB:	We shouldn't worry, guys.  He'll get here.  No stress. ; )
RELM Muse:	Cool!  Bah here is Brian A. Hopkins, who was here to support VVanP.
BLR WIZ:	Too late Bob, way too late
Gandalara:	Hi Liz!
Adda:	hi, Liz  :)
AmerasuSB:	Hi Liz!
SpleenVent:	Hiya Liz
RELM Muse:	Tell us about the book, Bah!
Valcory:	are you a real writer
RELM Muse:	Hi Liz!

FightinBob:	Hi!
Bahwolf:	Hi, Liz.
RowrBasil:	Pounding their metal cups on the tables, the prisoners chant in unison..Where's Van Pelt!'
AVNgal:	hello Liz
BLR WIZ:	{{{Liz}}}  congrats on the quote.
Bahwolf:	Kinda real, I guess.
FightinBob:	WEll, MORe nuts then BLR
Techyo:	Hi Liz1
N trek1701:	Liz come sti make merry
Valcory:	hi

RELM Muse:	Our guest isn't here yet, so his friend, Bah (Brian Hopkins) will tell us about *his* book.
Adda:	Loaded question, Val.
Bahwolf:	The book is called COLD AT HEART.
N trek1701:	{{{liz}}}
RowrBasil:	Shoot, Bah
Bahwolf:	http://www.sff.net/people/brian_a_hopkins/cold.htm
Valcory:	paperback
RELM Muse:	I saw on your web site that most of your stories are horror -- is this one, too?
RELM Muse:	Hi Inviz!
Bahwolf:	you can order it from Amazon.com

BLR WIZ:	Hi Inviz
AVNgal:	<---interested in Bah's book
Valcory:	hi
Gandalara:	HI Inv!
Adda:	With its own website, no less.  :)
RELM Muse:	Aha!  VVanP just signed on.
Bahwolf:	Them Barnes and Nobles dweebs aren't listing it yet.
Invizible1:	hullo
Lizstrata:	Greetings, Muse!  Hi, Adda, Amer, AVN, {{BLR}}, Bah, Bob, {{Twin}}, Inv, {{N}}, {{Rowr}},
Techyo:	He's online.

RELM Muse:	LOLOL Bah
RowrBasil:	Hi Liz
Bahwolf:	Yeah, kinda horror.
SpleenVent:	Hiya Inv
Lizstrata:	Spleen, SUN, and TECHYO!!!!
Invizible1:	hey techman..
Techyo:	Hi In!
Valcory:	i write scifi
RELM Muse:	I love Amazon.com -- it's great to be able to order right from my desk.
Valcory:	books

Adda:	Authors. you're all the same.  "Hey!  Why isn't my book up on the front table??"  :)
RELM Muse:	Hi VVanP!
BLR WIZ:	Hi RAf
RELM Muse:	Hi RAf!
RELM Muse:	The Virtual Van Pelt is with us tonight.
Gandalara:	And if Amazon, doesn't have it, B and N will :)
RELM Muse:	VVanP's his name and he'll give his insight
RELM Muse:	On SF writing and what carries the day
RELM Muse:	In the SF world and Other*Worlds*Cafe!
N trek1701:	hi raf

Valcory:	hi guest
RowrBasil:	And about durn time!
RAfrCC:	hi all
Techyo:	Hi VVanP!
Gandalara:	Hi VV! Hi RAf!
AmerasuSB:	That sounds like a book in itself:  Spleen, Sun, and Techyo.......
Valcory:	what took ya
Bahwolf:	Hi Jim!
Lizstrata:	Hi, VV and RAf and teresa.
Adda:	Hello, WanP  :)

AmerasuSB:	Hi Toft!
RELM Muse:	LOL  We've been taking your name in vain, and let Bah tell us about his book. :)
BLR WIZ:	Hi TOF
N trek1701:	what is that suppost to mean grand
Valcory:	hi
RELM Muse:	Hi Teresa!
FightinBob:	Finally.
RELM Muse:	Welcome!  You're in the Other*Worlds*Cafe!
RELM Muse:	Join SF author James Van Pelt (VVanP) to discuss writing!
Lizstrata:	And Val. . keep missing you.  sorry

TOFTteresa:	hello every body
Gandalara:	HI Teresa!
Bahwolf:	I was trying to keep them from leaving, Jim.
RAfrCC:	welcome VV
Valcory:	hi
VVanP:	Sorry, gang.  20 minutes of AOL busy signals.
Gandalara:	ack
Valcory:	ooh
Techyo:	Hi RAf and TOFT!
RELM Muse:	So, folks, let's give VV a sec to catch his breath, and then he can tell us about his...

AmerasuSB:	No prob, bob. : )
Adda:	I told you he got stuck in traffic.  ;)
BLR WIZ:	Hi VV
RAfrCC:	hi tech
Valcory:	i hate that
RELM Muse:	newest story!
N trek1701:	that is ok VV
TOFTteresa:	lucky you only 20 minutes!
RELM Muse:	LOL Adda!
Valcory:	just him talk please

Gandalara:	HI ser!
AmerasuSB:	Passing mic to VV.
Adda:	hi, Seraph  LTNS  :)
VVanP:	I recently published a story in Analog.  Anyone want to hear that story?
SpleenVent:	Hiya Seraph Ltns
AmerasuSB:	Hi Sera!
RowrBasil:	sure
TOFTteresa:	yes!
RELM Muse:	Yep, tell us about it, VV!
Gandalara:	I *liked* it

RELM Muse:	Hi Ser!
Lizstrata:	Hi, Sera
AmerasuSB:	Yes!
Seraph23:	Uh huh, ltns indeed
RELM Muse:	Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe!
RELM Muse:	SF author James Van Pelt (VVanP) is here tonight to talk about
RELM Muse:	his writing and writing in general!
AVNgal:	shoot
BLR WIZ:	All Ears....
FightinBob:	Listening..

Valcory:	go
VVanP:	Thanks, Gand.  The story is about fishing, and after all the hard literary effort I put into
VVanP:	my other stuff, I wrote this one because it was winter and I wanted to fish.
VVanP:	So, writing from the heart paid off.
VVanP:	Or, Stanley Schmidt loves fishing stories.
RELM Muse:	LOL
Adda:	Thus endeth today's lesson...
AmerasuSB:	It's in September's Analog?
RELM Muse:	Yep, Amer.
VVanP:	Yes.

Bahwolf:	Jim, I was telling them you currently have at least three neb recs for "Nine Fingers."
RELM Muse:	VV, how did you decide which magazine to submit to?
MinVase:	neb recs?
Adda:	Nebula, I think, Min.  :)
RELM Muse:	Nebula recommendations.
Lizstrata:	Nebula recommendations?
MinVase:	never mind
Bahwolf:	Yeah.
VVanP:	I read a lot of SF, but Analog was my first magazine I fell in love with.  I send everything
JNRChip:	Hullo.

AmerasuSB:	Hi Chip!
Gandalara:	HI chip!
SpleenVent:	Hiya chip
BLR WIZ:	Hi Chip
VVanP:	there if it has a shred of SF content.
MinVase:	hey Chip!
Lizstrata:	Hi, Chip
Valcory:	hi
TOFTteresa:	hi howdy
JNRChip:	Are we doing protocol tonight?

VVanP:	Actually (don't tell Stan) I sent it to Asimov's first.
Gandalara:	You write other stuff too? Other than SF?
Adda:	VV, just through the mail, or via an agent?
RELM Muse:	Chip, we haven't needed it yet.
RELM Muse:	I've been IMing the greets, though.
VVanP:	Yes.  Mainstream, horror, fantasy, poetry, journalism.
JNRChip:	That's refreshing. :)
Valcory:	cool
RAfrCC:	Does analog take unsolicited stories?
Valcory:	so

VVanP:	Adda, no agent for short stuff.  (No agent for the long, either)
AVNgal:	Do you query first or just send in the story VV?
JNRChip:	Hiya, DB.
VVanP:	Most of Analog's fiction is unagented and unsolicited, as are most of the SF mags.
Adda:	Interesting.  It's nice to know they still accept unsolicited material.
JNRChip:	Rather unusual, I'd think, Adda.
MinVase:	licking stamp
VVanP:	Just mailed it to them, AVN.  No query.
Adda:	I'd say you're right, Chip.
AVNgal:	thank you.

AmerasuSB:	This is making me wonder if I could actually get a story published......
TOFTteresa:	get a lot of reject slips before you were accepted?
AmerasuSB:	Hi Newcomers.
TOFTteresa:	go for it amera
MerseyLass:	'evening all
DB earthy:	hello
VVanP:	Tons, TOFT.  My reject to accept ratio is way high.
Valcory:	its hard to get a book published trust me
VVanP:	Brian, is that you as Bahwolf?
Lizstrata:	SF is maybe the last genre to be friendly to new talent.

RAfrCC:	What are the restrictions....i.e. story length,subject etc.....?
Adda:	You never know until you try, Amer.
Bahwolf:	Yes, Jim.
MinVase:	that's pretty normal isn't it?
TOFTteresa:	i think it happens to just about everyone starting out
Valcory:	hard to write to
VVanP:	As is horror, fantasy and all the literary journals that aren't the New Yorker.
Gandalara:	I've noticed you write about things you know.
Gandalara:	Fishing and teaching, I mean
Valcory:	thats cool

Adda:	Um, I actually like the New Yorker....
VVanP:	RAf, you should set your browser to The Market List.  That's Chris Holliday's web page, and
VVanP:	he has all that info.
AVNgal:	Important point Gandalara
Adda:	a bit precious at times, but I like it all the same.  ;)
RAfrCC:	thanks,VV
AmerasuSB:	If you write about things you don't know, won't the ones who do know write you letters point
AmerasuSB:	ing out that you don't know?
TOFTteresa:	i think they would
Lizstrata:	Undoubtedly, Amer. . .a slow news group. ;-)

Bahwolf:	Depends on how well you research, Amerasu.
VVanP:	Yes, Gand.  More important for me, though, is to not write about what I don't know about.
VVanP:	I research a lot.
TOFTteresa:	knowledge is power
Valcory:	so are you popular?
VVanP:	Well, my wife likes me.
RELM Muse:	LOL
Lizstrata:	LOLOL
Bahwolf:	I like his work.
TOFTteresa:	ha ha

Gandalara:	LOL!
Valcory:	what have you sold
AmerasuSB:	You've got a whole chat dedicated to you!
DB earthy:	LOL< VVan!
Adda:	And that's saying a lot, speaking as a wife.  :)
Bahwolf:	But then, his wife told me to say that.
Lizstrata:	LOL Adda
FightinBob:	Hey, that's all you really need!
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TOFTteresa:	lol

VVanP:	I have a story in Adventures of Sword and Sorcery, Pulphouse, Worlds of Fantasy and Horror,
VVanP:	and several smaller mags.
MinVase:	"behind every good man"......
Valcory:	how many titles do you have out
RowrBasil:	"is an astonished woman,"
Lizstrata:	::::::thinking a wife would be handy:::::::
Adda:	there's a woman picking up the towels...
DB earthy:	LOL< Rowr!
Gandalara:	LOL!
AVNgal:	How long have you been submitting work VV?

VVanP:	Around 20 (counting the SF journalism).
Valcory:	im a writer
TOFTteresa:	prolific
VVanP:	Since 1988, or so, AVN.
MinVase:	lol Rowr!!
AmerasuSB:	Hi DS.
AVNgal:	thanks
BLR WIZ:	Hi DS
Gandalara:	Any urge to put out a novel? Or just shorts?
VVanP:	I've done better in the last twelve months than the previous 9 years.

Bahwolf:	Jim, could you talk a bit about the mechanics of your writing?
JNRChip:	Hi, Roh.
Gandalara:	wow.
AmerasuSB:	Hi Night.
VVanP:	I have a novel that's wandering around New York.
Adda:	Sounds like you're hitting your stride, VV.
AmerasuSB:	Hi TAM.
Bahwolf:	Do you outline, do drafts, etc..
RAfrCC:	hi tam
Gandalara:	Hi TAM!

N trek1701:	hi tam
DSudia:	Hi  everyone
Valcory:	I also invent
MerseyLass:	hi Tamarac
DB earthy:	Nytol
AmerasuSB:	I'd like to read your novel.
Valcory:	VV do you invent TOO
VVanP:	No outlines, lots of drafts.  I write on the computer most of the time, so the first stuff
TAMARAC223:	::::waving to everybody:::
VVanP:	written is the most revised.

TOFTteresa:	do story plots or outlines just pop out at strange times?
VVanP:	Well . . . good question.
TOFTteresa:	hi tam
AmerasuSB:	Hi REG.
VVanP:	I think that being a writer has made all times strange.
SpleenVent:	Hiya Reg
TAMARAC223:	Hi REG
AmerasuSB:	: )
TOFTteresa:	ha
JNRChip:	Hi, REG.

BLR WIZ:	Hi REG
REGENTIC:	Evening everyone!
Valcory:	writers have the best minds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOFTteresa:	hi reg!
VVanP:	I write in the morning (4:00--6:00) lots.  Ideas come pretty easily then.
AmerasuSB:	I had a friend whose best work came from her dreams....Anything like that?
Adda:	Yikes!
MinVase:	only before they go to Hollywood!
RELM Muse:	What's your "real" job, VV?
RowrBasil:	yes..they keep them in jars on the desk, Val.

TOFTteresa:	oh
VVanP:	I also teach high school.  I get ideas at inappropriate times, like in staff meetings.
TOFTteresa:	thats where they went
TOFTteresa:	that happens to me
Adda:	Isn't that what staff meetings are for?
TOFTteresa:	ha ha
AmerasuSB:	Behind every good writer there's a good teacher......
RELM Muse:	LOL
Valcory:	VV whats next
N trek1701:	what do you teach

VVanP:	I sometimes write during meetings.  It makes me look attentive.
MinVase:	have you ever tried using a dictation recorder to get things down while inspired?
DSudia:	what is the topice
Gandalara:	LOL VV
TOFTteresa:	good device
MinVase:	the action pose
VVanP:	I teach English at Fruita-Monument high school and Mesa State College.
AmerasuSB:	DS, we're chatting with published author James Van Pelt.
VVanP:	A recorder has never worked for me.  Writing is about the right speed for my invention speed
Valcory:	me too

RAfrCC:	When writing,do you have a mental picture of your characters and the events around them?
Adda:	afk
Valcory:	i dont like tapes
VVanP:	The picture is there when I start, but it almost always evolves during the writing.
Lizstrata:	VV, how'd you feel when you got your first acceptance?  Was it wild?
VVanP:	I have friends who clip pictures from magazines and use them as mental anchors.
Valcory:	VVanp will you mail me
Valcory:	e-mail
RAfrCC:	Just curious,I fool around on the interactive fiction boards,thats how it works for me
VVanP:	The first acceptance came over the phone, and I think I'm still a bit high about it.

N trek1701:	hay liz a wild party without you never
Lizstrata:	Hee N
DSudia:	bye everyone
BLR WIZ:	Night DS
Lizstrata:	Cool, VV.  I'm sure it was extraordinary.
VVanP:	e-mail what Valcory.
Techyo:	Valcory that's not a cool question.
Valcory:	me
Valcory:	anything
Valcory:	titles

Valcory:	to talk
AmerasuSB:	Do you think you'll ever become a full-time writer?  Move to Maine, that kind of thing?
TOFTteresa:	ha ha
VVanP:	I didn't realize my first acceptance was an acceptance.  The editor asked for a minor
RELM Muse:	Val, VV agreed to chat, not necessarily to do e-mail with all of us. :)
Techyo:	Maine?
VVanP:	rewrite.
Lizstrata:	Lovely fantasy, Amer. . .for me, I hope it's real for VV.
Lizstrata:	LOL VV, and you took that as a rejection, cuz that's what you knew?
VVanP:	I think Liz is right.  Out of the 1,000 or so SFWA members, only a couple of hundred

Adda:	bak
VVanP:	live on it.
Techyo:	Minor? LOLOLOLOL!
Bahwolf:	If that many, Jim.
TOFTteresa:	do you have any authors that have inspired or given you ideas?
RELM Muse:	VV, you're doing a workshop on setting up a writer's group at Worldcon...
AmerasuSB:	One can always dream......
VVanP:	I was going with Spinrad's numbers.
RELM Muse:	what do you expect to cover there?
Bahwolf:	Oh.  Go ahead, pull stats on me.  <g>

VVanP:	The questions about workshops will probably determine direction, but I'd guess we'll talk
Valcory:	writing is fun you shouldnt make it too much like work or it turns bad too fast
VVanP:	about recruiting serious writers and keeping a group positive and on task.
Techyo:	Sounds like your planning an ongoing project.
Adda:	Um, is he talking about us?  :)
VVanP:	Spinrad said most of the two-hundred live terribly on a pittance.
Lizstrata:	Adda, none of us is *serious*
Valcory:	VV are you an aol member
TOFTteresa:	thats what i call my paycheck
VVanP:	Well, serious as in willing to be productive.

Adda:	We can't stay on topic for 15 minutes.  As a workshop group, we're hopeless.
RELM Muse:	Val, he couldn't be here if he wasn't an AOL member. :)
RAfrCC:	how would you teach a group......to write sci fi or are you taking for granted that they are
REGENTIC:	LOL Adda
N trek1701:	yuppers
Valcory:	well
Valcory:	okok
RAfrCC:	already doing it in one form or another?
N trek1701:	we is the hopless bunch of alo
N trek1701:	aol

N trek1701:	oops
VVanP:	My writing goup is eclectic.  Only 3 of us write in the genre.
TOFTteresa:	but most polite we is
Solstice62:	Hello, everyone.Good evening, VVanP.
Lizstrata:	teresa, we're being polite tonight. . .putting on th dog for VV. ;-)
MinVase:	my eclectic writings are goup too
Techyo:	So does the group influnce your work a lot?
TOFTteresa:	fibber
RAfrCC:	LOL,min
Solstice62:	LOL Min

N trek1701:	yuppers we is polite to the strangers.. we usually dont' feed them to the squid til the
VVanP:	Not much directly, Techyo.  I learn a lot critiquing their work, which I think is the real
N trek1701:	second nite
VVanP:	benefit.
RELM Muse:	VV, I think you missed Teresa's question about which writers influenced your work.
RELM Muse:	LOL Nt!
VVanP:	Sorry, Teresa!
TOFTteresa:	thank you is ok
Adda:	But do you learn a lot from their critiques of *your* work?
Techyo:	Oh yes teaching is always the best teacher I'd have to agree.

VVanP:	Bradbury, Connie Willis (a lot lately), Niven, Brin, Robert Holdstock
TOFTteresa:	excellent! bradbury
Lizstrata:	Many writers say they are voracious readers, first. . .true for you, VV?
Bahwolf:	Jim, you might relate to them your recent dinner with Connie (Yes, I still hate you for it.)
N trek1701:	i have never thought much of bradbury
AmerasuSB:	I've never read Connie Willis.
VVanP:	Sometimes they catch real problems, Adda.  Mostly their help is indirect.  They say
RELM Muse:	Ooooh, dinner with Connie.
RAfrCC:	Brin<-----personal favorite
VVanP:	something and it makes me think something else.

RELM Muse:	(Amer, every woman should read "Even the Queen")
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VVanP:	I read a ton when I was younger.  Now I feel like I cheat my writing when I read.  Reading
VVanP:	is a reward for writing well.
AmerasuSB:	Just put it on my list, Muse!
VVanP:	I read very selectively.
Lizstrata:	Interesting. . .delayed gratification.
Adda:	When you do read, is it stritctly within the genre?
MinVase:	what a novel idea
TOFTteresa:	yes, it is interesting

VVanP:	I took a course in Greely over the last month.  Connie Willis came and spoke to us and
VVanP:	we took her to dinner.
N trek1701:	well all you knwo how i hate this part of the evening.. but i must go.. for i have work in
VVanP:	She had a good story about rejection.
N trek1701:	the mornign
RELM Muse:	Night, Nt!
N trek1701:	and i must get some sleep
Solstice62:	Night N t
Adda:	Night, NT  :)
MinVase:	bye N t

TOFTteresa:	gdnt trek
RIKnJAK:	bye nt
VVanP:	She said at one time she had 8 manuscripts circulating and they were all rejected on
VVanP:	the same day.
TOFTteresa:	ugh
RELM Muse:	Ack
Adda:	I wonder if that's a record.  :)
Aardvark21:	hello!
RowrBasil:	heavy casualties..
TOFTteresa:	hi aard

VVanP:	She almost quit, but her habit was to address envelopes to the next market when she sent
VVanP:	a story out.  So she said what the heck and mailed them.
Aardvark21:	hi, TOFT
VVanP:	Eventually, all 8 stories sold.
TOFTteresa:	wow
RELM Muse:	So not so bad, after all.
TAMARAC223:	all right!
RIKnJAK:	cant let em get you down vv
RELM Muse:	But that must have been a rotten day.
Aardvark21:	topic?

TOFTteresa:	self-esteen low blow
RELM Muse:	Aard, I just IMed it to you. :)
MinVase:	no, it was a good day 'cause she didn't have to wait for 7 more
VVanP:	A terrible day!  My record is 3 rejects on the same day.  Right now I have 22 manuscripts
VVanP:	circulating.
Aardvark21:	sorry, didn't read it :)
RELM Muse:	Wow, 22?
Adda:	Out of curiousity, VV, do they send one's manuscripts back with the ding letter?
Solstice62:	VV how long did it take to finally get one accepted?
RAfrCC:	VVan,on you early work......did you use a pen name or were you confident enough?

VVanP:	I tell them to dispose of the manuscript.  It's cheaper to photocopy than to mail.
Techyo:	Let's give VV a chance to answer. <G>
TOFTteresa:	modern technology
VVanP:	I had a story accepted by After Hours in the middle of my 2nd year of sending stuff out.
AmerasuSB:	afk
REGENTIC:	Somone once told me writing is great fun but it's a business like anything else and you have
REGENTIC:	to remember that when the inevitable rejections come your way.
Solstice62:	LOL Tech - I will only ask one question at a time ... ;)
VVanP:	It was almost 2 years to the second sale.
Lizstrata:	Persistance is a virtue, clearly.

VVanP:	Absolutely, Liz.
TOFTteresa:	and a day timejob
Lizstrata:	Not to mention patience.
RIKnJAK:	persistant bugger arent you
Adda:	...and a slight mental imbalance.  :)
VVanP:	Connie Willis had a story rejected at one market that won the Nebula at another.
VVanP:	Rejection doesn't mean the story is bad.
RELM Muse:	LOL Adda!
Techyo:	Must be RIK to handle all our questings so well. <G>
TOFTteresa:	some peoples editors!

Solstice62:	Did you finally make up the cost in mailing 'scripts? ;)
Adda:	Now, there's a good point!  All publishing is subjective.
AmerasuSB:	bak.
VVanP:	No, Solstice.  I declared taxes on my writing, but my postage eats it up.  There's little
RIKnJAK:	lol tech
VVanP:	money is short fiction.
RAfrCC:	like movies I guess.If the critics hate it ,the rest of us will love it
Techyo:	Great point RA!
VVanP:	The Analog sale was worth $180.
Bahwolf:	Most short fiction writers do it for the love of the final product.

AmerasuSB:	Hi Ara.
Techyo:	Woa real numbers!
Adda:	Well, that's why there's chocalate and strawberry ice cream.
JNRChip:	Hi, Ara.
VVanP:	But the high of seeing in there was priceless.
Gandalara:	scrolling up, scrolling down. All caught up :)
Araiused:	Hello people
Solstice62:	Ouch! Any thoughts of longer stuff?
TAMARAC223:	Hi Ara
TOFTteresa:	hi ara!

VVanP:	Yes.  I have a novel that's circulating.
Bahwolf:	And the sharing of that final product.
Gandalara:	HI Ara!
RELM Muse:	What's the novel about, generally?
Bahwolf:	Doesn't matter how much you got paid when you get a fan letter.
Gandalara:	What's the novel about? SF?
AmerasuSB:	I write for free if only they'd publish it! ;-)
RELM Muse:	LOL Amer!
Lizstrata:	Fanzines, Amer. . .fanzines. ;-)
Adda:	Don't make any promises, Amer.  ;)

VVanP:	Well, the setting is post-apocalyptic (disease), but it's really about being a father.
Solstice62:	VV any thoughts about agents?
VVanP:	I've hunted for them.  Got caught in a rip-off scheme almost by one.
AmerasuSB:	oh, VV, scifi is always better when it's personal. : )
REGENTIC:	I would assume that getting a novel published is easier after you have some short stories
VVanP:	I agree, Amer.
Lizstrata:	As I understand it, the benefit of short fict. sales is having the tear sheets.
REGENTIC:	published.
Solstice62:	If you've had several stories published I'm surprised they're not sniffing around
BLR WIZ:	Be very, very quite..   I am hunting wagents....:)

RowrBasil:	One question- re novel:how do you let go of the thing, stop fiddling with it and let it out?
VVanP:	I would assume so too, Regentic, but lots of novelists never published short work.
Adda:	Geez, Sol. you make him sound like a hound. ;)
Gandalara:	LOL BLR
Techyo:	ROFL BLR!
RELM Muse:	LOL BLR!
AmerasuSB:	Tear (teer) sheets or tear (tare) sheets?
Lizstrata:	LOLOL BLR
Solstice62:	LOL BLR
Solstice62:	No, the agents are....

VVanP:	It felt done, Rowr.
RowrBasil:	ok
VVanP:	I've got a pretty good feel for when a story of mine is complete (it may not be good, but
VVanP:	it's done)
Lizstrata:	LOL VV
Solstice62:	LOL VV that's good
Techyo:	Must be nice VV I hear some never know that point. One author said when it sells. <G>
Gandalara:	So if someone picks up the novel, we'd still have to wait a looong time for it?
RELM Muse:	VV, you told me you had another manuscript accepted recently -- tell us about that one.
VVanP:	A couple of years, probably.

Adda:	VV, do you still feel a bit exposed, for lack of a better word, when you submit something...
Gandalara:	<---loves post-apocalytic stories
Adda:	either for a reading, or commercially?
VVanP:	Worlds of Horror and Fantasy just took a story of mine.  They'd held it a long time, and I
VVanP:	enquired.  George Scithers e-mailed me the acceptance.
RAfrCC:	me too ,Gand
RELM Muse:	Cool!  What's the wait time on seeing that, VV?
VVanP:	George Scithers was the first editor to send me a personal note.  This was years ago.
Lizstrata:	Good to know Scithers is still around.
TOFTteresa:	do you usually go chapter by chapter or doyou sometimes jump back and forth?

VVanP:	He said, "I hope while you were waiting to hear on this one, you were working on your next"
RELM Muse:	That was encouraging!
VVanP:	I'm not sure on their turnaround time, Relm.
VVanP:	I'm a chapter by chapter guy (on the first one!)  The first chapter was written late, though
RIKnJAK:	How do you determine your markets VV
TOFTteresa:	thanks
Araiused:	Do you usually write a very rough draft first, Wan, and then rewrite and edit?
VVanP:	I read a lot, Rik, but I also rely on Speculations and The Market List.
Gandalara:	afk
VVanP:	The first draft never feels rough while I'm writing.  Later it looks terrible, so I guess

VVanP:	the answer is yes.
RIKnJAK:	No ouija board : )
RAfrCC:	VVan,do you invent new characters each time or can you use already created ones again?
RELM Muse:	VV, I think you missed Adda's comment -- do you still feel "exposed" when you send in ...
RELM Muse:	stories?
REGENTIC:	:::bad marketing flashback..market segementation analysis, demographic survey::::<g>
BobaSpawn:	Hello.
VVanP:	I have repeated a few characters, but mostly it's new people.
Adda:	:::thwapping REG:::
REGENTIC:	Ouch

TOFTteresa:	hi boba
VVanP:	Adda, no, I don't, but I'm thick skinned.
VVanP:	The story isn't me, ultimately, so rejection doesn't hurt.
Adda:	I don't see how you people manage that.  :)
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Techyo:	Do worry reading others will too much change your work? Or just delay it?
VVanP:	If I only had one story to sell, and that was rejected, that might hurt (a lot).  So I wrote
VVanP:	more than one.
Lizstrata:	Ah, inventory.  That's the ticket!
Bahwolf:	Good point, Jim.

Solstice62:	Have editors asked you to rewrite or edit for them?
RIKnJAK:	sensable
RIKnJAK:	c
Adda:	Avoiding the Margaret Mitchell trap...
BLR WIZ:	Or is it more of a lottery Liz?
VVanP:	Some writing voiced infect my voice, Techyo.  I can't read Vonnegut or Ellison, for example
VVanP:	and then write.
Techyo:	Yeah they're such strong imagery.
VVanP:	I've had to do a couple of rewrites, but they were very minor.
Lizstrata:	Yes, I can see that, they do sorta take over your brains, for a bit.

RIKnJAK:	akk
Techyo:	I can see that.
Gandalara:	bac
REGENTIC:	:::bad operations management flashback....inventory bad, Just In Time, good::::<G>
RELM Muse:	From what I hear, a couple of rewrites is pretty good.
Lizstrata:	Just too Late, in reality, REG. <G>
Araiused:	But doesn't a part of you go into your story, especially
Araiused:	writing longer ones - novels?
VVanP:	I wrote an odd fantasy story once about plants that grew fruit in the shape of women.
REGENTIC:	LOL Liz, really

RELM Muse:	(REG, only when UPS isn't striking)
RIKnJAK:	A pear maybe
VVanP:	Aberations took the story, but they wanted a description of sex with a plant.
Adda:	Bet the vegans *loved* that one...
REGENTIC:	LOL Muse
Solstice62:	LOL aimed at the teen market, VV?
TOFTteresa:	lol
Araiused:	Liz, from what plant were you grown??
Techyo:	ROFL!!!!!!!
BLR WIZ:	LOL

VVanP:	LOL, Solstice.
Techyo:	I'd read it, WW.
Lizstrata:	Passion fruit, Ara. ;-)
AmerasuSB:	Speaking of UPS, I finally got my contacts!  (just thought you might want to know) : )
RIKnJAK:	Orchids
Techyo:	<G>
RowrBasil:	hope not Cactus..
VVanP:	Really, Techyo.  That's been a while ago.
TOFTteresa:	good for you
Gandalara:	LOL!

RELM Muse:	LOL Rowr!
RIKnJAK:	lol rowr
Solstice62:	LOL Rowr
HCana81931:	Was it a Venus fly trap?
RIKnJAK:	ouch
Lizstrata:	Delta of Venus?
TOFTteresa:	lily of the valley?
VVanP:	See, you drop an innocent comment in here, and everyone goes crazy.
RIKnJAK:	delta of burke?
Techyo:	Actually the story does ring a bell.

Lizstrata:	LOLOL RIK
RAfrCC:	fruit of the loom
RowrBasil:	is that an airline,, Liz?
AmerasuSB:	No, Cana, she's just from Venus, the planet. ; )
TOFTteresa:	lolol
Adda:	I told you we were hopeless.
RELM Muse:	LOL  Hey, we're being good - we not nearly as weird as usual.
Techyo:	Yeah VV we're such innocents.
Techyo:	But we could be. <G>
RIKnJAK:	true muse

Lizstrata:	LOL VV. . .ya knew the job was dangerous when ya took it. ;-)
Bahwolf:	Jim, how has the internet helped you're writing?
VVanP:	It's not a story I read to my high school classes.
Adda:	Actually, we're pretty well-behaved tonight, Muse.
Solstice62:	VV we're really trying to restrain ourselves ... sometimes we crack
VVanP:	I love the internet.  I've made more supportive and helpful contacts this way.
Techyo:	Do you find it good for advancing your work in other ways?
TAMARAC223:	and there's always sweet harmless loveable us
Adda:	What can we say, we're a friendly bunch in cyberspace.  ;)
VVanP:	I've corresponded with just about everyone I'd like to talk to.  The list is big.

Bahwolf:	WHat about the research angle?
AmerasuSB:	I've wondered what the internet's effect on lit will be in the future.
RAfrCC:	yes,we are not nearly as punny as usual,<G>
Techyo:	Addvertising etc?
AmerasuSB:	Hi Grey!
Techyo:	Oh shoot lost Muse.
BLR WIZ:	We have lost our Muse...
VVanP:	The net has been good for interviews, queries, market news, idle chat and long, sleepless
VVanP:	nights.
Techyo:	Hi Grey Welcome to the O*W*C!

JNRChip:	Whups.  Gotta hate when that happens.
Adda:	And I wonder about copyright infringenent.
AmerasuSB:	Where do you do your research?
Techyo:	Tonight we have a guest author!
Lizstrata:	Ooop.  No Muse.  VV is now without a net.
SpleenVent:	Hiya Grey
Adda:	One day, I will learn to type....
RAfrCC:	I'll go for the long sleepless nights,LOL
Solstice62:	Hi Grey!!
TOFTteresa:	hi gray

Techyo:	Oh we'll be cool, Liz.
VVanP:	I spent a lot of net time researching Saturn, Brian.  Good web sites for astronomy.
TAMARAC223:	Hi Grey
JNRChip:	Oh...she's coming back.
RAfrCC:	Hi Grey
JNRChip:	Not even time enough to set up the Autogreet. :)
TOFTteresa:	yes there is
Bahwolf:	Do you find information easily locatable?
BLR WIZ:	RE Muse
Araiused:	Hi Grey!

TAMARAC223:	WB Muse
Lizstrata:	WB Hostess
Adda:	Getting () () () ready for Muse.
Bahwolf:	Which search engines do you prefer?
JNRChip:	Re's, Muse
TAMARAC223:	watch the door next tiem
GreyLenser:	Figured I'd wait
RELM Muse:	Good grief.  Brindle jumped on the keyboard and gave me a GPF.
VVanP:	No, but it's fun to find bad sites.
Adda:	WB, Host  :)

GreyLenser:	'til Muse got back
AmerasuSB:	Do you use any human resources for research? interviews, etc.? Are they helpful?
Araiused:	Naughty Brindle ...
BLR WIZ:	Blame it on the cat...
VVanP:	I use Infoseek a lot, but my server has a dozen others.
GreyLenser:	Hello, everyone.  Congrats, VV
HCana81931:	What's a bad site?
Solstice62:	I love looking for the trashiest sites ...
TOFTteresa:	my new kitten likes the keyboard
Adda:	That poor cat gets blamed for everything.  I'm thinking of getting one. ;)

VVanP:	Amera, I do lots of interviews on the phone too.
TAMARAC223:	cats are good excuses
VVanP:	HC, a bad site is one that doens't have anything to do with what I was looking for, but
Araiused:	Mew, Brindle, wanna tell a story?
VVanP:	is so interesting that I have to stay.
RIKnJAK:	Sol in my younger days that was called the sleazy bar tour : )
BLR WIZ:	LOL VV
Adda:	Site-crawling.
Adda:	I can see it now.
BLR WIZ:	Been there, Did that......

AmerasuSB:	I know the feeling, VV. Was looking for info about Freud and found a wonderful Fractals Gall
AmerasuSB:	ery.
AmerasuSB:	Bye,bye Freud.
Adda:	Ack, fractals!
VVanP:	I probably check my e-mail 4 or 5 times a day, too.
TOFTteresa:	yes,  is anyone wearing Hey You! perfume?
TAMARAC223:	fractals are beautiful
AmerasuSB:	They're beautiful, Adda!  I didn't understand them, but they were lovely.
Lizstrata:	Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. <-------all I know of Freud
GreyLenser:	Author Sharon Webb has a fractals page

AVNgal:	VV, do you have an agent for your novel, if so , how did you find him/her?
Adda:	Of course they are ;)
TAMARAC223:	Sol bounce?
BLR WIZ:	Is that a Freudian slip, Liz/
Adda:	Just flashing back to an ignominious college career...
Adda:	Don't mind me.  ;)
VVanP:	No agent, AVN.  I've queried dozens and had positive feedback, but no takers yet.
AmerasuSB:	Of course, Adda. : )
AVNgal:	Ah, thank you
VVanP:	I'll be at WorldCon with the manuscript in my car, for sure.

TOFTteresa:	you mentioned a problem about a scam could you elaborate?
Solstice62:	Wow, I got major screen freeze and got bumped out ... finally back!
RELM Muse:	LOL VV!  Collaring publishers?
AmerasuSB:	Welcome back.  Be careful!
VVanP:	Toft, I got caught up with a guy who really was shucking for Edit InK.
Adda:	Even the name reeks of spam. ;)
Lizstrata:	:::::wondering if we can have an author *every* nite, if it means no macros <eg>:::::
Araiused:	Watch out for Edit Ink - shammers
Solstice62:	LOL Liz
RELM Muse:	Really?  I've never heard of them.

TOFTteresa:	thank you!
BLR WIZ:	LOLOL
VVanP:	He agreed to represent the novel to the best of his ability.  After 7 weeks he said he was
RELM Muse:	LOL Liz!
VVanP:	letting me go because he couldn't sell it.
TOFTteresa:	going to need more money?
VVanP:	Then he set Edit Ink on me.
TOFTteresa:	what did they do?
AmerasuSB:	Seven weeks isn't very long.....what a bum.
Adda:	Yeahm I think that qualifies for slimedom.

VVanP:	Edit Ink is a book doctor outfit.  They charge per-page to rewrite manuscripts.
Solstice62:	Can't even sell a house in seven weeks ...
Araiused:	There is another one associated with Edit Ink - it's husband and wife collusion.
TOFTteresa:	ok
RELM Muse:	Ack.
VVanP:	No guarantees of results, of course, and it's around $4 or $5 a page.
Adda:	Don't say that, Sol!  Mine just went on the market!!  :)
AVNgal:	eewww
RELM Muse:	VV, do you think budding writers should just write for a specific time, or # of pages..
Solstice62:	Yuck ... like you want someone else to touch your baby ...

VVanP:	They are under investigation as a total rip-off by the New York district attourney.
TAMARAC223:	can, too Adda
RELM Muse:	each day, or wait for the Muse to hit them. :::thwap:::
RAfrCC:	whew,what a scam! Could get to new writers
VVanP:	Relm, I'd go for time, not pages.  You can control time, sometimes pages come slow or fast
AmerasuSB:	Most scams are just so cruel....
VVanP:	Besides, if you write regularly, you schedule the time.
RELM Muse:	Is it important to write regularly?
VVanP:	There are a lot of scams out to get new writers.  Read the back of Writer's Digest.
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Solstice62:	I guess I'm out, Muse - I write abnormally.
RELM Muse:	LOL Sol!
BLR WIZ:	Hi Kak
VVanP:	I think writing regularly is vital.  I only know one publishing writer who doesn't
Solstice62:	Kakaze! Howdy!
VVanP:	Vance Aandahl, writes only in the summer when he's not teaching.
RELM Muse:	Ummm... I'm not seeing Kak on my list.
RELM Muse:	Adda, you've got a story out?  A book?
GreyLenser:	My only credit went 13 years from conception to publication . . . not such a long wait with
Solstice62:	Well, that sort of shows a pattern I guess

RAfrCC:	me neither,muse
GreyLenser:	Harlan involved . . .
RELM Muse:	LOL Grey!
Adda:	What??
Adda:	Scroll up!  Scroll up!
RELM Muse:	Oh!  House!
Adda:	A house, I have on the market!
RELM Muse:	When you said "mine," I thought you meant story!
Araiused:	Scanning horizon for Kakaze..
AmerasuSB:	<--- is *really* confused....

RELM Muse:	LOL  My fault, Amer. ;)
RELM Muse:	VV, how does your writing affect your family?
Adda:	There goes that flashback thing again.
Solstice62:	Saw a hi to him ... said hi too without checking list
Adda:	One of the worst experiences of that college career was a semester spent in a creative...
Adda:	writing course.  ;)
VVanP:	I write early in the morning before they are up, generally.  I have 3 boys under 8 years old
AmerasuSB:	aahh. I bet Freud would have something to say about that, Sol! : )
VVanP:	That'
RIKnJAK:	So do you have a pattern you follow?

VVanP:	That's too bad, Adda.  I teach a course at the college, and I always fear that result.
Solstice62:	Well, raspberries to ol' Siggy Amer. He was full of horsefeathers too.
GreyLenser:	Ooooh, Liz isn't going to work for a while . . .
RELM Muse:	LOL
Adda:	It had nothing to do with the instructor, I just couldn't get past open readings.  :)
TAMARAC223:	now it will
GreyLenser:	Pressure's off . . .
RAfrCC:	LOL, that would certainly tend to inhibit writing,LOL,(Boys under 8yrs.,that is)
AmerasuSB:	That left-brained thing again?
VVanP:	I write things for them, too.

RELM Muse:	Do you take side-trips on vacations because of your writing?  Or can you just..
Adda:	3 boys under 8?  Good lord, you deserve a medal.  :)
RELM Muse:	put it all behind you at some times?
TAMARAC223:	VV do you send out any of their stories?
RELM Muse:	LOL Adda!
Solstice62:	I have two kids - 3 & 5. I can only work after they're in bed.
Gandalara:	So, Fatherhood, fishing, and teaching...what other themes have you covered?
Solstice62:	VV save the kids' stories - that's a really good genre to explore. I would love to have some
RIKnJAK:	I have three cats and their a full time job
VVanP:	I haven't sent any of the children's stories, but I think I eventually will.

Gandalara:	agree RIK :)
Solstice62:	S-F that I could read to my children. Please please please?
SpleenVent:	Time for me to get,Goodnight Y'all
Adda:	Night, Spleen  :)
Lizstrata:	(interloper Liz has left the building, Grey. <g>)
Gandalara:	Night Spleen!
Araiused:	Night, Spleen
Solstice62:	Night, Spleen
RELM Muse:	Night, Spleen!
RIKnJAK:	Sol Heinlien is good

VVanP:	Relm, I manage to turn just about every family vacation into a research trip in some way.
TOFTteresa:	gdnt
AmerasuSB:	Maybe you could post some someday, VV.  I love children's stories.  Night spleen.
Adda:	I have to get going as well.  Thanks for the chat, Muse.
GreyLenser:	I also, selah!
RAfrCC:	night spleen
RELM Muse:	Night, Adda!
Adda:	And good luck to all the authors.  :)
Solstice62:	Night, Adda!
AmerasuSB:	bye, Adda and Grey!

BLR WIZ:	You can read any SF to your children, but you may have to plug their ears for some.
RIKnJAK:	Bradbury's mars Sol
Gandalara:	NIght Adda!
Araiused:	Night Adda
RELM Muse:	Let me take a sec to plug tomorrow's chat:
Solstice62:	LOL BLR they're 3 & 5, RIK. They're just starting on Kipling's Just So Stories!
TOFTteresa:	gnt adda
RELM Muse:	What will robots be like in the future? Will robots take over
RELM Muse:	everyday tasks such as vacuuming the floor and washing the windows?
RELM Muse:	What about the effect of industrial robots in the workplace?

RELM Muse:	Is nanotechnology a future boon or a dangerous unknown?
RELM Muse:	Join RELM Gizmo to chat about Future Robotics.
VVanP:	I 've read The Hobbit three times to my oldest.
AmerasuSB:	Gizmo and Robotics, that seems to go hand in hand : )
RIKnJAK:	good suggestion vv
Bahwolf:	Yeah, Bilbo!
RAfrCC:	BLR,some kids will be plugging thier own ears,can't get em' to slow down for that long
BLR WIZ:	It can be a problem RAf, unless you are teaching them lip reading.
AmerasuSB:	The best thing my mom ever did was banning T.V. during the summer.
Bahwolf:	Another wonderful novel to read to your kids, WATERSHIP DOWN.

Gandalara:	VV - You've covered fatherhood, fishing and teaching - what other themes?
AmerasuSB:	::::adding to list:::::
VVanP:	I'm very interested in "yearning" as a theme.  I'm also keen on futile gestures.
Araiused:	Anyone likes cat tales?  Read TAILCHASER'S SONG by Tad Williams
VVanP:	Most of my stories are about relationships in one way or another.
AVNgal:	VV I'm a year into my first scifi novel, attend workshops and schedule time to write....
AmerasuSB:	<--loves Williams.
RIKnJAK:	I used to love greek mythology when I was a kid : P
VVanP:	I'm not much of a gaget SF writer.
AVNgal:	what else should I be doing?

Lizstrata:	GREEK
RELM Muse:	LOL Liz!
Lizstrata:	Ooops.  I's supposed to be behaving.  Sorry. :/
RAfrCC:	LOL,liz
REGENTIC:	LOL Liz!
BLR WIZ:	LOL
Araiused:	Grecian Stratum
AmerasuSB:	Really Avn?  Tell us when it's published.
TAMARAC223:	LOL LIz
Solstice62:	Have a falafel, Liz

VVanP:	Wow, AVN.  Sounds like you are doing it all.  SF conventions can be very eye opening too.
Lizstrata:	LOL Sol
VVanP:	Do you have a local one you can get to?
AmerasuSB:	We'll read it too!
RIKnJAK:	Ara... recently read James harriot's Cat stories. Good
AVNgal:	Conventions, good idea. Thanks
Gandalara:	VV -you said the other night you had a medical story - was/is it SF?
RAfrCC:	or a gyro,Liz.....<G>
Solstice62:	Try Phantom Toolbooth, too RIK
AVNgal:	I will Amer

RIKnJAK:	ok
VVanP:	Yes.  It's really a time travel story, but the main character is very sick.  I had to
Araiused:	Ah, Rik, all kitties great and small.
VVanP:	research a lot of medical stuff.
AmerasuSB:	Phantom toolbooth, sounds like a toothpaste. ; )
Gandalara:	Time travel! cool.
RELM Muse:	Hi again, Rowr!
TAMARAC223:	LOL Ara
Lizstrata:	WB  Buddy Rowr
Araiused:	WB Rowr

Solstice62:	Sorry .. Phantom Tollbooth. Bad, bad fingers
VVanP:	Most time travel stories don't work for me (too many paradoxes).  I've figured a minimum
AmerasuSB:	: )
TAMARAC223:	good to see you again Rowr
RowrBasil:	Fell of the edge of the earth again...sorry.
VVanP:	paradox way to travel.
RIKnJAK:	Time travel paradoxes are the best. though Ive heard they are hard to write. Opinion?
Lizstrata:	Cool, VV.
Araiused:	Fell off the edge into purgatory, Rowr?
RowrBasil:	of/off

Gandalara:	only 2 birds at a time? :)
Solstice62:	VV do you work with FTL stories?
RowrBasil:	No..Branson, missouri..worse.
VVanP:	I haven't tried an interstellar story yet.
Solstice62:	Oh, Rowr.
Araiused:	Agree, Rik, paradoxes is like reinventing math.
RELM Muse:	LOL Rowr!  Didja stop by the Lawrence Welk show?
AmerasuSB:	<--aunt saw Kenny Rogers in Branson! : )
RAfrCC:	LOL,   Rowr......been there..youare dead on!
RowrBasil:	(reaching for holy water and crucifix at thje name of Welk)

BLR WIZ:	Yes Ara, but you can fudge on the answer and still be sort of right.
TAMARAC223:	LOL Rowr--hubby still talking about his visit
VVanP:	My time travel stories don't create paradoxes if you go backwards.  Forwards is a problem.
RIKnJAK:	Just reread heinlien's All You Zombies
RELM Muse:	How would you compare the research time and the writing time on a story?
VVanP:	Great story, Rik.
RowrBasil:	but if you go back, where you come from IS forwards..
Solstice62:	Good point, Muse.
AmerasuSB:	brb, gonna go get some cookies!
Araiused:	Like in ST, which head belong to which Data?

BLR WIZ:	So then VV you believe that you can't change the past.
RELM Muse:	LOL Ara
VVanP:	Almost half and half, Muse.  Lots of times I'm going back to research in the middle.
Lizstrata:	Data. . .OK, I'll shut up.
VVanP:	In my stories, BLR, there is no contact with the past.  Only information is retrievable.
RELM Muse:	BTW, since Bah was kind enough to come support VV tonight, Chip is arranging...
RELM Muse:	to do a chat with him in the future. :)
RIKnJAK:	Do you like the Shrodinger models used as of late, VV?
Araiused:	Who is Bah?
BLR WIZ:	Hum,  VV sort of like The Big Eye??

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Lizstrata:	Yay!  Another Macro Free night!!!!!!!  Cool Bah!!!!!
Gandalara:	Bahwolf, Ara
RELM Muse:	(It was Schrodinger's Birthday on Tuesday -- I celebrated with wavy lasagna)
TAMARAC223:	LOL
VVanP:	Yes, Rik.  That's the problem with future travel, even if you only gather information.
TOFTteresa:	lol
RAfrCC:	Gotta go folks,thanks VV, will look for your work at the bookstore
VVanP:	Yes. BLR.
Solstice62:	LOL Muse. I hope everyone locked up their cats for that one.

AmerasuSB:	A muse, a true fan.  When scifi influences your diets.....
RELM Muse:	Hey, don't laugh.  Some people believe in gods & goddesses, I believe in humans.
VVanP:	Thanks, RA.
Solstice62:	Goodnight, RAf
Araiused:	Night, Raf
TAMARAC223:	nite, RAf
TOFTteresa:	gdnt raf
Bahwolf:	just got back to the keyboard.  Ya'll were talking about me!
RIKnJAK:	Moorecock had a good Time travel book, reissued recently. Help me with title?
VVanP:	Behold the Man

AmerasuSB:	Yeah, Bah.  didn't your ears turn red?
RELM Muse:	Yep, Bah, gotta watch those breaks. ;)
Bahwolf:	Too many IMs.
Araiused:	Wolves are always popular
RELM Muse:	The joys of popularity. :)
AmerasuSB:	I gotta go, folks.  Late Night Jeopardy, ya know. : )
RELM Muse:	Night, Amer!
VVanP:	Night, Amerasu.
JNRChip:	Night, Amer!
Solstice62:	Goodnight, Amer

Araiused:	Night, Amer.
Bahwolf:	Nite.
BLR WIZ:	Bye Amer
TAMARAC223:	LOL, Nite, Amer
RELM Muse:	VV, what are you working on now?
AmerasuSB:	::::blows kiss to room:::::
Gandalara:	Night Amer
VVanP:	I have a second novel I'm working on.  Trolling for short story ideas at the moment.
Araiused:	Adventures of Una Persson?
Bahwolf:	Jim, do you have stories available on your website or only the nonfiction?

BLR WIZ:	You are in the right place for that VV.
TOFTteresa:	nite amer
VVanP:	Only the non-fiction.  I think I'm developing a position of web fiction.  I recently turned
Araiused:	Or Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius?
VVanP:	down an acceptance at a web-zine.
RowrBasil:	Ariused- that's more parallel world than time travel..The Land Leviathan,etc..? That one?
Gandalara:	Write a story about squid, and we'll make it a best seller <G>
Bahwolf:	A paying webzine?
Lizstrata:	LOLOL Gand
VVanP:	No (I'm not crazy!)

Solstice62:	Do the web-zines actually pay or figure that the exposure is honor enough?
Bahwolf:	I wondered.  There are so few.
BLR WIZ:	There are a million stories in the OWC....
RELM Muse:	LOL Gand!
RIKnJAK:	Politics and religion always stir things up, VV
VVanP:	But short of Omni or Tomorrow, I'm not sure any other zine would be worth letting the
Solstice62:	All of them coated with ink, BLR ;)
VVanP:	story go to.l
Araiused:	There are a trillion tales in the O*W*C
TOFTteresa:	my godzilla story

RowrBasil:	And nobody got paid for any of them, BLR-
Bahwolf:	Sol, there are a few that pay -- a VERY few that pay pro rates though.
BLR WIZ:	It is the only way to print them Sol. ;)
RELM Muse:	OMNI does do a good job.  (We used to borrow the OMNI chat room when they..
RELM Muse:	were here on AOL, when they left, we got our own)
VVanP:	Yes, but the story will have no archival quality.  You won't be able to pull the dusty copy
Bahwolf:	Jim, Dave and I sold one story to INFINITE EDGE at 5 cents a word.
VVanP:	off the shelf.
TOFTteresa:	i like omni
Bahwolf:	That one was worth it.

Solstice62:	Yes but the ones here are very squiddily, BLR
Araiused:	Lemme ask you this question, VVan, would you just write for enjoyment?
Kakaze:	hi all!
Lizstrata:	Hi, Kak!!
TOFTteresa:	hi kak!
BLR WIZ:	Yes, It gives a sharper print quality, Sol
VVanP:	As I told Shauna Skye at Seven Stars Digest, I hope I'm wrong.
Solstice62:	Kak! you're finally here!
TAMARAC223:	Hi, Kak--this time you're reallly gere
BLR WIZ:	Hi Kak

Araiused:	Hi Kak!
VVanP:	Araised, yes.  Writing is pure fun for me.  Publishing is a second hobby.
Gandalara:	The book reviewer in Asimov's mentions his online chat
Gandalara:	group in Sept. issue. I wonder if it's us? :)
Kakaze:	liz!!  tere!! sol!! tam!! wiz!! ara!
Gandalara:	Hi Kak!
Araiused:	You're my kind of writer.
Kakaze:	gand!!
RELM Muse:	Hmm... if so, he's probably in disguise. ;)
VVanP:	Good, Araiused.  Now we have to get you a job as editor of a major magazine.

Solstice62:	Aren't we all Muse?
Gandalara:	can I print his real name?
VVanP:	Brian,  we'll have to chat more about the e-zine issue later.
RELM Muse:	Sure, Gand.  I probably know it, it's just not coming to midn.
RELM Muse:	Or mind, even.
Bahwolf:	Sure thing.
Gandalara:	Paul Di Filippo
Bahwolf:	What's your position, though, on reprints on the web?
RELM Muse:	Oh, yeah, Plumage from Pegasus.
Araiused:	Thanks but no thanks, VVan, don't like editing

Bahwolf:	Do you see benefit in that?
VVanP:	Oh, after a hardcopy printing, I think all bets are off.  Distribute widely, I say!
BLR WIZ:	Reading reprints off of the web,  my position is in a chair.
Bahwolf:	Glad we agree.
Solstice62:	And pray for an anthology, huh, VV!
TOFTteresa:	lol
RELM Muse:	LOL BLR!
VVanP:	Yes, Sol.
Lizstrata:	Nay, pray for a movie deal. <eg>
Solstice62:	Any offers that-a-way?

Lizstrata:	:::::wondering if that's praying to the devil::::::
RELM Muse:	Yeah, a few stories on the web will give people ideas of your work.
RIKnJAK:	Do you have a GRAND project you would hope to get of the ground, VV
Solstice62:	LOL Liz ... if it pays the mortgage ...
Kakaze:	liz, what have we told you about talking to reg?
Lizstrata:	::::::looking contrite:::::::
VVanP:	Well, I really want to publish my novel (and the next ones).
BLR WIZ:	Is praying at the devil better than swearing at the god??
TOFTteresa:	ah, good one Blr
VVanP:	When I was a little kid, I haunted the SF section of the library.  I used to check to see

Lizstrata:	Probably, BLR.
Solstice62:	Ooooh, BLR very deep ')
Araiused:	Who is swearing at REG?
TAMARAC223:	better in rotation BLR
RIKnJAK:	Nothing on the lines of an EPIC?
VVanP:	which authors I'd be shelved between.
Gandalara:	LOL, VV
Solstice62:	LOL VV
TAMARAC223:	LOL
REGENTIC:	Huh?

Kakaze:	i can just imagine the librarian
BLR WIZ:	LOLVV
Lizstrata:	That's wonderful, VV.  Creative visualization. . .cool!
Solstice62:	That's a constantly changing thing, although libraries are not big on SF
TOFTteresa:	predestination?
VVanP:	You mean, like The Stand, or Lord of the Rings?  Not at this point.
Kakaze:	what are you doing there?  checking to see where my booksll go. . .
Kakaze:	you can say that again sol
VVanP:	Librarians were always patient with me.
Gandalara:	VV - we could all e-mail the publishing houses and tell

Gandalara:	them about this great novel we heard about online. :)
TOFTteresa:	meant to be a writer
Kakaze:	the sf section at my local library, is a rotating rack, and one shelf
VVanP:	Now THAT would be a good use of the web!
Gandalara:	<G>
RIKnJAK:	Thought maybe you might have some "great truth" you might want to impart
Bahwolf:	on my shelves, Jim, you'd fall between Varley and Van Vogh.
KimCRun:	hello
Solstice62:	Which houses have it now, VV? Let us at 'em!
Araiused:	Hi KimCrun!

Lizstrata:	Good company, Bah, methinks.
TOFTteresa:	hi kim
VVanP:	Ha!  I quiet alphabetizing mine the last time I moved.
Araiused:	let's mailbomb those houses for ya, VV!
Bahwolf:	Exactly, Liz.
VVanP:	It will be at Tor next.
TOFTteresa:	i keep trying but my bookshelves are too crowded now
Gandalara:	ahhh. And Tor is on AOL :)
RELM Muse:	Yeah, and I know pnh. :)
Lizstrata:	Oooo, Gand, you instigator, you!  LOL

Kakaze:	tor?
RIKnJAK:	Gotta go Cats got a hairball. Akkk
Araiused:	Tor Books, Kak.
Kakaze:	oh, tor books right?
RELM Muse:	ack, Rik!
TOFTteresa:	publishers
Gandalara:	purely selfish. I want another post-apocalyptic story :)
Kakaze:	they put out gene wolfes new sun books if i remembe
Araiused:	Nite, Rik
VVanP:	Everyone says the novel market for SF is down right now.  This is what I heard 30 years

VVanP:	ago too.
TOFTteresa:	what a bunch of...
VVanP:	It's always down.  Still, lots of new books come out.  One of them could be mine <g>
Araiused:	I refuse to believe the evil rumours - SF is forever!
RELM Muse:	I dunno, I'm still buying 5 or 6 a month.
TOFTteresa:	yes!
Gandalara:	milarky, Teresa :)
TOFTteresa:	cheaper than drugs
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VVanP:	That's what makes trying to publish so much fun.  The competition is fierce, but somebody

VVanP:	sells a story everyday.
TOFTteresa:	i gotta have my fix
TAMARAC223:	and I bet they're also complaining about lack of good novels
Solstice62:	But much more addictive, TOFT
VVanP:	Write well (or get lucky), and the next sale could be yours.
TOFTteresa:	yes, i have been an addict for 38 years
RELM Muse:	Which is more important?  Writing well, or luck?
VVanP:	Writing well!!!
Solstice62:	VV have you had absolute favorite stories rejected?
TOFTteresa:	good

Araiused:	Better be addicted to books than to pills.
Gandalara:	When I put Quicken on my computer, I actually found out
Gandalara:	how much I was spending on books. GASP. But won't
Gandalara:	stop. :)
Kakaze:	writing well dosent always mean youll be accepted
Bahwolf:	Writing contunuously, Muse.
RELM Muse:	I know, Gand, I have a "books" category.
Kakaze:	but luck dosent mean you wrote a good book either
VVanP:	Stephen King said that the secret to getting published was being in the right place at
TAMARAC223:	don't wanna know, Gand

DocTalus:	G'evening, all.
Araiused:	Hi Doc!
TOFTteresa:	and look at how his books are now
Kakaze:	lo doc!
VVanP:	the right time.  Since no one knows when the right time is, you have to get to the right
VVanP:	place and stay there.
RELM Muse:	Let me remind y'all how to get on our weekly topic mailer:
Gandalara:	LOL
RELM Muse:	To subscribe to our weekly mailer of chat topics, click on Subscribe
RELM Muse:	in the listbox on our main screen or send e-mail to RELMShadow. To Unsubscribe, do the same.

Kakaze:	muse!
Kakaze:	oh god, the pain
TAMARAC223:	Hi, Doc
TOFTteresa:	hi doc
DocTalus:	Hi, Tamarac, toft...
Solstice62:	<---(Starts a nice cuppa tea for Kak)
Araiused:	Kak, never fear Doc is here.
Kakaze:	at least it was small. . .
TOFTteresa:	i wonder where 13 is
TAMARAC223:	hey, Kak, it was a short one, and busted in middle

Kakaze:	the doc maybe here, but i want the professor
REGENTIC:	13 is after 12 and before 14. ;)
VVanP:	Muse, I figure you can't control luck.  You can control your writing (or at least grow).
TOFTteresa:	ha ha
Araiused:	There are lots of profs, which one?
Kakaze:	k9 makes a good companion for m thingie recouperation
TOFTteresa:	thank you though
Kakaze:	gee reg, how long did it take to figure that one out?
RELM Muse:	VV, you've been answering questions valiantly for an hour and a half, I think it's time..
REGENTIC:	It was actually the voices Kak

Araiused:	I agree, VVan, the more one writes the more it gets better.
RELM Muse:	to let you off the hook. :)  Thanks so much for coming!  This has been a great chat!
RELM Muse:	And now, the chatters may throw squid. :)
Kakaze:	thought so, didnt think you could do it with out help. . .  :-)
Gandalara:	Thanks, VV!
BLR WIZ:	Thanks VV.
AVNgal:	Thank you VV
REGENTIC:	Yes, Thanks VV!
Kakaze:	thanks VV
Araiused:	Thank you, VV!

TAMARAC223:	Thanks, VV!
Solstice62:	Thank you very much, VV. You have been a very gracious guest.
DocTalus:	Viele Danke, VV
TOFTteresa:	thank you \/\/
RowrBasil:	thank yu  VV
Techyo:	Thanks VV!
Lizstrata:	Thanks, VV.  Best of luck and persistance to you.
SUNDAY286:	Thanks VV
Kakaze:	translation please doc
BLR WIZ:	Catch us when we are more "normal" VV.

VVanP:	Thanks for inviting me, Muse.  I hope to see all of you at WorldCon or MileHiCon.
Techyo:	I'll be looking for your work!
Kakaze:	wiz, were never normal
REGENTIC:	Hey, Kak, so far I have not made a single Hanson remark, I could start now. ;)
Solstice62:	Drop by and chat sometimes.
Kakaze:	thats okay
RELM Muse:	Hi MJ!  We're just finishing up a chat with author James Van Pelt!
TAMARAC223:	just did
RELM Muse:	Yep, VV has been here before, that's how I got him to chat with us. :)
BLR WIZ:	I said more, Kak, not all the way the n word.

Kakaze:	oh
Kakaze:	hahaha
TAMARAC223:	I can't believe we stayed on topic that long.
Solstice62:	Muse, are we off of good behavior now?
Gandalara:	We had a focus, TAM :)
Araiused:	The magic of writers, TAM
RowrBasil:	Iron discipline, TAM
Kakaze:	i cant believe reg actually refrained from mentioning hanson for that long
TOFTteresa:	we were good wern't we
RELM Muse:	LOL Tam.  We usually stay on topic when I host.

BLR WIZ:	I had to restrain myself, TAM
Araiused:	We deserve squid, don't we!
TAMARAC223:	was hard
RELM Muse:	Yes, Sol, you can throw squid now. :)
Gandalara:	oh, TAM - I bought those books you suggested :) Should be here Monday.
TOFTteresa:	yes we must squid
TAMARAC223:	which?
Kakaze:	what books gand?
Solstice62:	Well, if it took him almost 2 years then I'm not discouraged yet! :)
BLR WIZ:	:::tossing squid at Ara:::

Araiused:	Gand, where do you find the time to read?
RowrBasil:	Load the Squidapult!
TAMARAC223:	squid to the right   squid to the left
Gandalara:	Reality Dysfunction. I saw 'space opera' and said....MINE!
JNRChip:	:::unlimbering squidzooka:::
Kakaze:	::::raising squid shields::::
Araiused:	::ducking under coffee table::
Lizstrata:	Ah, now we're back to normal!!!!!!!   LOLOL
Solstice62:	Here's a fat one, Rowr! -------(splat)
REGENTIC:	FYI: Hanson has an article in the Sept issue of SPIN Magazine.

TOFTteresa:	i have a trash can lid
Solstice62:	1
Kakaze:	remember gand its, riality disfunkshun. . .
TOFTteresa:	and a rain hat
Araiused:	SPLATT - Tech catches the squid
Gandalara:	LOL Kak
Solstice62:	Sorry ... I leaned on the keys
TAMARAC223:	remember, Gand, that next book to Dysfunction will be out about April
Gandalara:	well, I'll *try* to put it on the bottom of the reading pile :)
TAMARAC223:	I hate it wen cak strts messing up his werds

REGENTIC:	And Hanson's milk ad can be seen in the current Seventeen, Entertainment Weekly and YM
REGENTIC:	magazines too I think
TOFTteresa:	i just got the 14th collection of ;the years best can't wait to dive into it
Solstice62:	Kak - wasn't that Ike Turner's band - Disfunkshun?
Gandalara:	:::seeing REG buy 17Magazine in 7/11:::::::: LOLOL
RELM Muse:	You were just holding all that Hanson stuff in, weren't you, REG.
TAMARAC223:	LOLOL
MJJOHNSON:	Sol. I think that was just his family life
REGENTIC:	LOLOL Muse, I was.
Solstice62:	Muse, he must have been busting!

AVNgal:	Well, goodnight all. This was fun.  <grabs squid and runs for the door!> night!!!
Araiused:	Picturing REG bloating with Hanson songs.
Gandalara:	Night AVN!
Solstice62:	Goodnight, AVN
TOFTteresa:	at least it isn't about marilyn manson
Araiused:	Night AVN!
BLR WIZ:	Hum,  I guess a supreame being could be 17 if it wanted to be???
RELM Muse:	Night, AVN!
TAMARAC223:	nite, AVN
TOFTteresa:	gdnt avn!

REGENTIC:	LOLAra
Techyo:	o/~ sweet dreams are made of this... o/~
AVNgal:	Bye all :)
Gandalara:	ohhh, I love that song.
Lizstrata:	Great song, Tech.
Solstice62:	I've got to go, too folks. See you all again soon!
MJJOHNSON:	Wiz, sure but who needs 17 supreme beings?
Techyo:	o/~ who am I to disagree o/~
Gandalara:	Night Sol!
Techyo:	o/~ buzzzzzzzz o/~

Araiused:	See ya, Sol.
TAMARAC223:	nite, Sol
RELM Muse:	Night, Sol!
Techyo:	Marylyn Manson version. <G>
TOFTteresa:	some of them want to abuse you
Kakaze:	you couldnt go one whole chat could you reg?
Kakaze:	i nevr mes up mie words.
Kakaze:	i dont no
Kakaze:	we have to make a contest for reg.  see if he can go one weeks worth of chats without
Gandalara:	ACK Tech!

BLR WIZ:	o/~Nestles is the very best~/o
Techyo:	Oh but it's good.
REGENTIC:	Hanson also has a video interview in Blender, the CD-ROM Pop Culture magazine.
Techyo:	And don't you find a guy that wears Judy's hose from oz interesting?
Kakaze:	argh!
Gandalara:	But Kak - what would be his prize?
RELM Muse:	LOL Kak!
Araiused:	Kak, the angry god has punted you.
TAMARAC223:	bak alredy?
RowrBasil:	They plan to make a movie about the lives of Hanson- amazing..as they haven't had one yet.

Kakaze:	yall saw what i said about the contest?
MJJOHNSON:	Have you ntoiced you never see Hanson and Barney in the same place? Coincidence?
TOFTteresa:	their parents must love the money
RELM Muse:	LOLOL MJ
BLR WIZ:	LOL
TAMARAC223:	LOL MJ
Gandalara:	LOL MJ
TOFTteresa:	lol
RELM Muse:	Whoops, VV said goodnight to me, but missed saying it to the room. :)
RowrBasil:	There is always a need for an obligatory diabetes inducing figure to bash the heck out of..

MJJOHNSON:	Okay it's not the strongest theory yet, but I'm keepin' an eye on 'em
Kakaze:	if reg cant go a week without mentioning hanson, leather or barbarella, then he has to miss
Kakaze:	a week of chatting
Gandalara:	Oh, and Muse - I found HELLSPARK <G>
Kakaze:	};-)
RowrBasil:	Mr Rogers, Kathy Lee, Barney, now Hanson..
RELM Muse:	Cool, Gand!
Gandalara:	I'll have it in Sept. :)
Kakaze:	hellspark?
Gandalara:	by Janet Kagan

REGENTIC:	Hanson: The movie, winner of ALL the academy awards! ;)
TAMARAC223:	:::adding HELLSPARK  to list:::
Techyo:	Well I'm off to bed. Interesting Chat!
MJJOHNSON:	Basil, The only thing I'm sure of is the mason's aren't behind it
RELM Muse:	She's a biologist who writes biological SF.  Sounds boring, I spose, but it's a good book.
RowrBasil:	NOT IN THIS UNIVERSE-
RELM Muse:	Night, Tech!
Kakaze:	in a severely alternate reality reg
Araiused:	Night, Tech!
Techyo:	Night all! SEE YA ONLINE!

TAMARAC223:	nite, Tech
REGENTIC:	Night Tech
Kakaze:	night tech!
Lizstrata:	Nite, Tech!!
BLR WIZ:	Yes REG, the movie was done in 3882 as a historical fantasy.
MJJOHNSON:	hasta Tech
Gandalara:	TAM - 4 to 6 week wait, if ordered from B and N online. Have you read MIRABILE?
Gandalara:	Night Tech!
TOFTteresa:	i have to fix din din so good night also. wonderful chat great!
RELM Muse:	I hear she wrote a decent ST novel, too.  Or maybe it's SW.

TAMARAC223:	stories in Analog is all, Gand
Araiused:	Night, TOFt
Kakaze:	please tell me these arnt more books i have to add to my list
RELM Muse:	We won't *force* you, Kak.. not really.
Araiused:	There always will be books to add to your list, Kak.
Gandalara:	yeah, the stories were made into a book. Love it.
Kakaze:	my reading list rivals santas good and bad lists thanks to yall!
REGENTIC:	"Even though Hanson won every award, we won't deprive you of seeing them come up to accept
REGENTIC:	them all" <g>
TAMARAC223:	I'll look for it

Gandalara:	LOL Kak
Lizstrata:	:::::::lost in IMs::::::
Kakaze:	poor liz
BLR WIZ:	Yes REG. I hear more reason for a nuk war all the time.
Kakaze:	im so glad no one likes me enough to barrage me with ims!
Kakaze:	hahaha
Araiused:	OK, folks, let's IM Kak all at once!
TAMARAC223:	Kak, add MIRABILE by Janet Kagan
RELM Muse:	LOLOL
RELM Muse:	Okay, one more time for tomorrow's topic:

RELM Muse:	What will robots be like in the future? Will robots take over
RELM Muse:	everyday tasks such as vacuuming the floor and washing the windows?
RELM Muse:	What about the effect of industrial robots in the workplace?
LOG COUNT:	There were 13 member(s) in Other Worlds SF Chat at 12:00 AM

Kakaze:	ahhhh!
RELM Muse:	Is nanotechnology a future boon or a dangerous unknown?
RELM Muse:	Join RELM Gizmo to chat about Future Robotics.
Gandalara:	(I did) <eg>
TAMARAC223:	I want gadgets from DOOR INTO SUMMER
Gandalara:	Great Chat! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

Kakaze:	robots!?
RELM Muse:	Well folks, you've been *great* chatters tonight!  Thanks!
Kakaze:	i love robots!
JNRChip:	Night, Muse!  Thanks!
RELM Muse:	It's time for me to go, but feel free to stay and chat!
TAMARAC223:	Thanks<Muse
BLR WIZ:	Marvin, your plastic pal.
Kakaze:	night muse!
RELM Muse:	If you have any problems, use keyword: GUIDEPAGER.
JNRChip:	LOL BLR

Araiused:	Night, Muse, magnificent chat!
TAMARAC223:	Nite, Muse
RELM Muse:	See y'all tomorrow!
JNRChip:	Night, kids.  Play nice.
BLR WIZ:	Night Muse
Gandalara:	Good night all...gotta go read :)
TAMARAC223:	nite, Chip
Lizstrata:	Nite, Muse, thanks for great chat.
MJJOHNSON:	Donkeyshine Relm, (my quasi lungual skills)
Araiused:	::waving to all who's leaving::