HOST EBK Mars: ***The opinions expressed in this chat are not necessarily those of The Other*Worlds*Cafe or America Online.*** HOST EBK Mars: Tonight we're chatting with the author Harry Turtledove. HOST EBK Mars: If you have a question for Harry...please put a ? in the chat screen OnlineHost: H Turtledove 2 has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: How did you choose which stories you would put into it? [Counting Up, Counting Down] H Turtledove 2: I picked ones I liked and ones that fans have seemed to like--and ones that hadn't been in either of the earlier collections, KALEIDOSCOPE and DEPARTURES. HOST EBK Mars: Harry...I have a couple of questions for you about _Counting Up, Counting Down_ H Turtledove 2: Ask me anything. Maybe I even have a couple of answers. ;-) HOST EBK Mars: First off... I downloaded an eBook version of this collection. Is this the first time your work has been offered in electronic format? H Turtledove 2: No, there are e-book versions of BETWEEN THE RIVERS and Turteltaub's JUSTINIAN, too. OnlineHost: Amuri74 has entered the room. OnlineHost: Amuri74 has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: That's so cool. So you've had experience with electronic publishing before this. H Turtledove 2: Well, sort of. Neither was a spectacular success, either in e-book or conventional form. HOST EBK Mars: On the back of "Counting Up, Counting Down", you're described as a master of the short story. Given this acclaim, are we likely to see more short story collections? I, for one, think that would be terrific. H Turtledove 2: BuffaloWinger, I'm not responsible for back-cover copy. There may be more collections if this one does well. I got to do this one because DEPARTURES did well. So get out there and buy, folks! HOST EBK Mars: Harry...in Counting UP... you mention that the first and last story are connected... HOST EBK Mars: did you write them at the same time or what there some time in between the two stories? H Turtledove 2: I wrote first one and then the other, no gap in between. But only my wife and I know for sure which one I did first. OnlineHost: Gandalara has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: Hi Gand! Gandalara: Hi Mars, Hi Harry! Welcome back :) HOST EBK Mars: Harry... I also noticed that the eBook is the same price as the Trade Paperback. Do you plan to have Counting up and Counting... HOST EBK Mars: Down published in any other format? Gandalara: Oh, I loved those stories. H Turtledove 2: Well, "Forty, Counting Down" and "Twenty-one, Counting Up" have been optioned for the movies. Whether this means they'll get made, of course, is a very different question. OnlineHost: StaceyKaye has entered the room. Gandalara: Hi STacey! HOST EBK Mars: Oh Excellent! We'll keep our fingers crossed HOST EBK Mars: Hi Stacey. StaceyKaye: howdy Gandalara: Optioned? Cool! H Turtledove 2: Toes, too, please. HOST EBK Mars: lol StaceyKaye: what did I miss? Gandalara: If I cross my eyes, I can't see to chat :) OnlineHost: JDipale has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: Harry...in the anthology you mention that we should read the intervening stories instead of jumping straight to the last... Gandalara: Hi JD! HOST EBK Mars: is there a reason for this? HOST EBK Mars: Hi JD! OnlineHost: Amuri74 has entered the room. JDipale: Hello everyone OnlineHost: TAMirabile has entered the room. OnlineHost: RowrBasil has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: Folks...if you have questions for Harry Turtledove about his current anthology...Counting Up, Counting Down...please put your ? into the screen now. Gandalara: Hi Amuri, Hi TAM, Hi Rowr! H Turtledove 2: I think giving yourself a little room between them helps. They really are Siamese twins. They're also a litmus test of how old you are, pretty much. Those under 30 seem to like "21" better, those over 30 to like "40" better. RowrBasil: ? Amuri74: hi HOST EBK Mars: RowrBasil your question please! TAMirabile: Hi, everyone! OnlineHost: RowrBasil has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: LOL, interesting Harry. I've been holding off reading the second, now I'm too curious to wait. TAMirabile: Good evening, Mr Turtledove :) H Turtledove 2: Hope you like it. HOST EBK Mars: Several of the stories in "Counting Up, Counting Down" focus on the theme of Judaism. I have always enjoyed this aspect of your works. Will you continue to explore Jewish themes in your works OnlineHost: GRENDALS1 has entered the room. Gandalara: Hi GREN! TAMirabile: Hi, GREN! HOST EBK Mars: Hi Gren! If you have a question for Turtledove get in the queue by typing a ? into the chatscreen. H Turtledove 2: Yes, I expect so, BuffaloWinger, one way or another. It's part of me, and it's going to come out in what I write. GRENDALS1: Hi TAM!!, Amuri, JD, Stacy, GAND!!!! Mars, And Mr Turtledove HOST EBK Mars: How do you select such unique character names? Where do you get ideas for names? OnlineHost: RowrBasil has entered the room. OnlineHost: RowrBasil has left the room. OnlineHost: RowrBasil has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: Rowr quick...put up your question RowrBasil: no question ..yet H Turtledove 2: Kirel, some of them come out of history. Some of them come from the ethnicity of the characters I'm writing about. And some, when I'm stuck, come from the names of authors of books on my shelves. OnlineHost: BG1818 has entered the room. BG1818: Hello! GRENDALS1: hi Beth Gandalara: Hi BG TAMirabile: Hi, BG! HOST EBK Mars: Hi Beth. BG1818: Howdy! Gandalra, Tam, Grendals, JD,RowrBasil, and everybody else. BG1818: Are you on Tuesday and Thursday's these days, Mars? HOST EBK Mars: Beth...I can't read what you're saying...sorry. BG1818: Hello Mr. Turtledove HOST EBK Mars: S. H. Silver's website indicates that there will be yet another trilogy in the Great War universe, dealing with WWII. If this is true, when can we expect it? I can't wait! HOST EBK Mars: We're running tonight's chat under PROTOCOL. If you have a question for our guest, please TYPE A ? INTO THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add your name to the queue and call you when it's you're turn. BG1818: How's this>? HOST EBK Mars: Much better! H Turtledove 2: I expect to start writing it this spring, BuffaloWinger. The first book will probably show up in print in summer 2004. HOST EBK Mars: Were you aware, Mr. Turtledove, that the World War computer game is no longer being produced by Pan Interactive? Are there new plans for the computer game? H Turtledove 2: Trotsky, it's not "no longer," because it never was. There was supposed to be a beta last month. No new plans at present. HOST EBK Mars: Did the US snatch up Bermuda and/or the Bahamas after the GW? If not, why? H Turtledove 2: Yes, the US did take them, BenNB. HOST EBK Mars: what is the status on that guns of the south movie? HOST EBK Mars: We're running tonight's chat under PROTOCOL. If you have a question for our guest, please TYPE A ? INTO THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add your name to the queue and call you when it's you're turn. H Turtledove 2: It's optioned, but many are optioned, few are filmed, Liberti4. HOST EBK Mars: Was Morrel in anyway suposed to be like the German general Erwin Rommel? H Turtledove 2: There are points of similarity, Panzer. They aren't identical. HOST EBK Mars: And here's a change of pace HOST EBK Mars: Question for the Dr., I'm considering applying to Caltech, and was wondering if you had any recommendations or insights that you could share. H Turtledove 2: Kirel, if you can hack it, academically and financially, you ought to take a crack at it. You won't find a better school. It's been 35 years since I was there, so I really can't say more than that. RowrBasil: ? HOST EBK Mars: Superior sir, Are you aware that the World War computer game has been cancelled by PanInteractive? Any comments/What do you plan to do about this? OnlineHost: Araiused has entered the room. Araiused: Evening Gandalara: Hi Ara! Araiused: Hellooooo Araiused: Anybody there? HOST EBK Mars: Oh I'm sorry Harry...disreguard please. HOST EBK Mars: Hi Ara. BG1818: Hello Araiused HOST EBK Mars: We're running tonight's chat under PROTOCOL. If you have a question for our guest, please TYPE A ? INTO THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add your name to the queue and call you when it's you're turn. HOST EBK Mars: Dear Dr. Turtledove, I love your work!!! HOST EBK Mars: Q- How much of the Amer. Empire Series is AH HOST EBK Mars: and how much is allegory? It seems like the HOST EBK Mars: CSA and USA are supposed to resemble post- HOST EBK Mars: WWI Germany and Britian/France. Same with HOST EBK Mars: Hitler/Featherston (member number seven?). H Turtledove 2: The USA is probably less like Britain and France than the CSA is like real postwar Germany. Different circumstances. There certainly are points of contact between Hitler and Featherston. H Turtledove 2: The #7 membership card was for those who would notice it. I'd call BLOOD AND IRON more parallel than allegory. HOST EBK Mars: RowrBasil your question please! RowrBasil: Will there ever be another book set in the world of theTwo Georges? H Turtledove 2: Interesting question. Amuri74: ? OnlineHost: Deeviouso911 has entered the room. Araiused: Hi, Dee! H Turtledove 2: Right now it doesn't look that way, RowrBasil. Richard Dreyfuss and I are both doing other things. Deeviouso911: Hi All Deeviouso911: hi ara HOST EBK Mars: And from last week... PLEASE ASK DR TURTLEDOVE IF HE?LL BE WRITING MORE NOVELS IN THE WORLDWAR/COLONIZATION SERIES; AND WHEN WILL "RULED BRITANNIA" BE PUBLISHED? HOST EBK Mars: Hi Dee! BG1818: Hello Deeviouso911 Deeviouso911: hi bg Deeviouso911: hi mars Gandalara: Hi Dee! Deeviouso911: hi gand H Turtledove 2: RULED BRITANNIA will be out this November, MEX1. And I expect there may be one more book in the WORLDWAR universe. HOST EBK Mars: Harry...MEX also wants you to know that he is not the only fan of yours in Mexico and they'd like to see their country in your books more often. RowrBasil: ? Deeviouso911: hi Harry Deeviouso911: hi rowr H Turtledove 2: Thank you very much, MEX. HOST EBK Mars: How many new characters will be introduced in The Center Cannot Hold? Also, can you describe any of them? H Turtledove 2: There will be some, Woodrow. No, I don't want to describe them in any detail now. I just got galleys for THE CENTER CANNOT HOLD, and have to go through those. You'll find out in July. OnlineHost: GRENDALS1 has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: Will Dr. T. return to cover M.A. Scaurus, uncle of the Heir . Om the subject of Schools, I got my B.A. in History at CalSate, L.A. in 1993, when did you teach Byzantine history there? Gandalara: ? HOST EBK Mars: Amuri74 your question please! H Turtledove 2: Khaire, Khaire . I don't plan to go back to Videssos any time soon. I taught at Cal State LA in the early and mid-'80s. HOST EBK Mars: Amuri? Your question? Amuri74: How long have you been interested in alternate history Amuri74: Mr turtledove H Turtledove 2: About 40 years now, Amuri74. HOST EBK Mars: Dr. Turtledove, have you decided on a title for the 3rd American Empire Book? Or any of the following books in that series? H Turtledove 2: The third AMERICAN EMPIRE book will be called THE VICTORIOUS OPPOSITION. The others don't yet have working titles. HOST EBK Mars: Would you be interested in seeing the World War novels presented as a TV series? HOST EBK Mars: RowrBasil your question please! OnlineHost: Kleinrus has entered the room. RowrBasil: With all his Germanophilia, I wondered where H.L,Mencken was during all the American Empire Greatwar books..? H Turtledove 2: Here's where the title comes from: Manicheism, n., The ancient Persian doctrine of an incessant warfare between Good and Evil. When Good gave up the fight the Persians joined the victorious Opposition.--Ambrose Bierce, Araiused: Hi, Klein! H Turtledove 2: I'd love to see that, emurphy. No TV producer would yet love to see it, though. H Turtledove 2: I presume he's in Baltimore doing newspaper work, if he was born at all in this timeline, RowrBasil. Only so much room to cover a lot of ground. BG1818: ? HOST EBK Mars: Dr. Turtledove, what is your informed opinion on the current state of the "War on terrorism"? Deeviouso911: ? H Turtledove 2: I doubt very much that my opinion is "informed," BenGallant. Keeping terrorists busy running and hiding is probably not H Turtledove 2: the worst thing in the world, as it may make them have a harder time doing nasty things. Past that, who can say with certainty? HOST EBK Mars: what was the peace treaty in GW called? HOST EBK Mars: Gandalara your question please! Gandalara: Harry, will you be at the LA Book Fair this year at UCLA at the end of April? If so, signing? Or speaking? And will you be at ConJose? Phew. ga. Araiused: ::: quiet lol ::: Gandalara: (I'm so predictable) H Turtledove 2: I don't believe I ever gave it a formal name, Alexander_II. As befits the nature of the war, European and American sections of it had separate peaces. H Turtledove 2: I think I'll be speaking at the LA TIMES Festival of Books. I know I'll be at ConJose. HOST EBK Mars: Any plans for a book of artwork based on World War / Colonization series? HOST EBK Mars: BG1818 your question please! BG1818: What other conventions do you plan on attending this year? H Turtledove 2: Not by me. I'm no artist. The folks who did the cover art for the books have the rights to that, leztarg. H Turtledove 2: I'll be at Helicon in the UK Easter weekend, at BayCon in San Jose Memorial Day weekend, and Loscon here in LA Thanksgiving weekend, BG1818. HOST EBK Mars: Good evening Harry. With the CSA having so many ties to Europe, I was wondering if they adopted the Metric system. Thanks. Gandalara: LosCon. Cool :) HOST EBK Mars: Deeviouso911 your question please! Deeviouso911: harry have you done much collaboration in the past and are you considering any in the future Deeviouso911: tx mars H Turtledove 2: No, GW. Their closest ties are with the UK, and that didn't happen there in real history till after WW2. Kleinrus: Can you tell us a little of the "future" - will the CSA parallel Nazi Germany in the '30s? HOST EBK Mars: Klein...sorry...you need to hold on to that for a second. Several people in front of you in queue. H Turtledove 2: I've done some, Deevioouso911, most notably with Richard Dreyfuss and Judith Tarr. Judy and I may take another whack at it one of these days. We'll see. HOST EBK Mars: While you were writing the colonization books, did you find yourself taking sides between the Race/Humans? I found myself taking sides with the Race. Deeviouso911: thank you OnlineHost: Athanor IX has entered the room. BG1818: Well, time for me to go. Take care! BYE! It's been interesting chatting with you MR. Turtledove. I hope to see you in here again one day. OnlineHost: BG1818 has left the room. OnlineHost: JDipale has left the room. Araiused: Bye, BG and JD Araiused: Hi, Ath Deeviouso911: hi ath H Turtledove 2: I'm neutral, FatJoe. Athanor IX: Hi. HOST EBK Mars: When anthologies like "Counting Up, HOST EBK Mars: Counting Down" are published, how much control HOST EBK Mars: do you have? Do the publishers come to you HOST EBK Mars: and say "We want an anthology, pick thirty HOST EBK Mars: stories"? Or is it more "we have thirty of your HOST EBK Mars: stories, do an intro for each"? HOST EBK Mars: Hi Ath! HOST EBK Mars: We're running tonight's chat under PROTOCOL. If you have a question for our guest, please TYPE A ? INTO THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add your name to the queue and call you when it's you're turn. H Turtledove 2: TR, I proposed the contents of the collection to the publishers, not the other way around. Then they decided whether they wanted to buy it. I'm glad they did. HOST EBK Mars: Are you currently planning any more science fiction or fantasy series based on classical (or Byzantine) models? H Turtledove 2: Yes, I am, Maccabee. HOST EBK Mars: What is Ruled Britannia mostly about? HOST EBK Mars: Klein...can you repost your question? Kleinrus: Can you tell us a little of the "future" - will the CSA parallel Nazi Germany in the '30s? H Turtledove 2: The attempt of England to throw off the rule of Spain after a successful invasion by the Armada, as seen from the POV of William Shakespeare--and of Lope de Vega, who's trying to make sure the rebellion fails. H Turtledove 2: I can, Kleinrus, but I don't intend to. You gotta wait and read the books. :-) HOST EBK Mars: Why did you kill off Jager!!! He was me and my buds favorite character. We enjoyed his and Ottos' fun endevours. Araiused: lol H Turtledove 2: Basically, I killed him because he'd done everything in the narrative that I wanted him to do. Don't know how to put it any better than that. HOST EBK Mars: I've always wondered, were the Rabotev and Halesi in the WW series Lizards like the Race, or what? HOST EBK Mars: Well folks...as the witching hour hit us here... RowrBasil: Goodnight. Got to catch Xander and Anya's wedding on Buffy.. HOST EBK Mars: We had a small internal net split here Araiused: See ya, Rowr OnlineHost: H Turtledove 2 has left the room. Deeviouso911: nite rowr OnlineHost: RowrBasil has left the room. Deeviouso911: well well well Araiused: No guest.... OnlineHost: Amuri74 has left the room. Deeviouso911: just us chickens left HOST EBK Mars: Folks...Let's thank Harry...I'll send him the thanks. Araiused: Thank you, Harry! Deeviouso911: oh indeed Araiused: AOL booted out Harry? Araiused: There was quite a screen lag... Gandalara: Thanks, Harry! Deeviouso911: mars you did a great job HOST EBK Mars: Yep! and Thank you Dee. Araiused: With so many questions too! OnlineHost: SpleenVent has entered the room. Araiused: Hi, Spleen! HOST EBK Mars: Hiya Spleen...just missed Turtledove. Deeviouso911: afk TAMirabile: Thanks Harry! SpleenVent: Hiya Ara,Ath,Dee,Gand,Mars,klein,Stacey & TAM SpleenVent: foo Kleinrus: ditto - oh well "...thanks Harry" and goodnight Deeviouso911: hi spleen Gandalara: Hi SPLEEN!!!! StaceyKaye: Hi Spleen HOST EBK Mars: Such is life in the fast lane. HOST EBK Mars: So...there are quite a few Turtledove fans here tonight. Deeviouso911: i wanted to ask him if he considered mountain dew the breakfast of champions HOST EBK Mars: lol HOST EBK Mars: That's an interest. HOST EBK Mars: And while I have you undivided attention here folks. HOST EBK Mars: TUESDAY, March 6, 10pm-12am ET -- HOST EBK Mars: SinisterTech? ~ HOST EBK Mars: . HOST EBK Mars: Machines running amuck and medicine gone HOST EBK Mars: askew: how much can we take it? We can take HOST EBK Mars: plenty and we can take more. Sciencefictioneers HOST EBK Mars: thrive on the horrid tales of abominable HOST EBK Mars: machinery and sinister technology. Join OWC HOST EBK Mars: Helio for a night of Technothrillers. Deeviouso911: ewww Gandalara: COuldn't say this before ... but the 2 stories Counting Up, and Counting Down are the only Turtledove stuff I've really liked :) Araiused: Oh, shouldn't say that of Tech - SinisterTech :) TAMirabile: I haven't found the book yet :/ Gandalara: I shouldn't say *like*. They're the only ones I could get into. OnlineHost: T83BIRD has entered the room. Deeviouso911: well each to theyre own taste Gandalara: TAM - one story was in Analog, and 1 was in Asimov's Araiused: Hi, T TAMirabile: Hi, T! Deeviouso911: hey t83 T83BIRD: Hi, all. SpleenVent: Hiya T8 HOST EBK Mars: Hi! Gandalara: But Turtledove's a fungi. TAMirabile: hmmmmmm going to have to look back OnlineHost: FIJAGDH has entered the room. Deeviouso911: he seemed cool, little humor kicking in there Deeviouso911: hi fij Gandalara: Hi Figgy Araiused: Hi, Figgy! TAMirabile: I was going to ask if his daughters had gotten any more writing awards oh well Gandalara: LOL SpleenVent: Hiya FIJ HOST EBK Mars: Indeed. He is always amazed that his fans are so ardent Dee. Araiused: Fungi? Howso? FIJAGDH: Hi TAMirabile: Hi, Figgy! Kleinrus: 'Bye all. HOST EBK Mars: Heya Figgy good to see you. Araiused: Nite, Klein! Gandalara: Fungi = fun guy. Funny. Punny. Can be amusing :) T83BIRD: Araiused Athanor IX Deeviouso911 Gandalara SpleenVent StaceyKaye Mars Keinius FIAJGDH TAMirabile Araiused: Ahso, took me a minute there ;) TAMirabile: He's very nice in person T83BIRD: Kleinrus (Correction) Deeviouso911: i havent read any of his tstuff, but ill try it now HOST EBK Mars: Gand...you've met him in person before, haven't you? HOST EBK Mars: Tam, did you meet him? Gandalara: Several times TAMirabile: He was in and out of the green room in Chicago StaceyKaye: I loved the worldwar series and am up to book 2 of colonization series OnlineHost: Kleinrus has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: LOL, Tam... I never saw him. T83BIRD: bye Klein HOST EBK Mars: Cool. You'll love the colonization books, Stacey. TAMirabile: LOL you didn't see much but screens Gandalara: LOL Stacey! *Now* you say something. T83BIRD: FIJAGDH Durn. Got two letters switched. Deeviouso911: i wish you could get anne mccaffrey in here StaceyKaye: :-) TAMirabile: How old is she now? Araiused: McCaffrey is getting on... TAMirabile: of course now duhhhhhhhhhhh HOST EBK Mars: We'll see what we can do Dee. Deeviouso911: i figured 70's but guessing SpleenVent: ancient Deeviouso911: her son writes you know FIJAGDH: Have Iggy build a ramp. Araiused: LOL Deeviouso911: lol fij Araiused: A squidly ramp. HOST EBK Mars: No one is more ancient than I. TAMirabile: I met her right after White Dragon came out----She was 40s or 50s then Deeviouso911: i bet she sharp as a tack though HOST EBK Mars: Just like no one is taller than me. HOST EBK Mars: lol Gandalara: LOLOL Mars TAMirabile: LOLOL Araiused: LOL HOST EBK Mars: Well...at least that's how I recall it. FIJAGDH: I guess not with those heels you've got on, Mars. SpleenVent: Iggy would build an inkslide instead of a ramp Gandalara: (Mars and I had quite a conversation about height earlier this evening ) Araiused: Was Harry typing slow or was there a screen lag? HOST EBK Mars: Ah...you've seen those red ones have you Fij? HOST EBK Mars: He has a tendency, Ara... FIJAGDH: Bad lag here. Deeviouso911: ooh gun ink fight ink fight Deeviouso911: fun* TAMirabile: wear black HOST EBK Mars: to type in paragraphs... HOST EBK Mars: which is handy... HOST EBK Mars: When you put out as many books in one year as he does. Gandalara: I have to go. This Buffy episode looks too good to only give it 25% attention :) Thanks Mars! Night all! T83BIRD: Nite Gand Araiused: Nite, Gand! Deeviouso911: nite gand OnlineHost: Gandalara has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: Nite Gand. FIJAGDH: Later Gand TAMirabile: Buffy wasn't on here tonight basketball :( HOST EBK Mars: How unfortunate TAM. HOST EBK Mars: By the way folks...because of this rescheduling of the Turtledove chat... TAMirabile: I think it's supposed to show up Fri T83BIRD: We can only get Buffy much delayed reruns on Fox. HOST EBK Mars: I will not be here on Thursday...the lovely and talented and oh so gracious... HOST EBK Mars: Lyra will be filling in on Thursday. Deeviouso911: im gonna get too, work tomorrow HOST EBK Mars: But I'll be back again on Friday, the Ides of March... Deeviouso911: nite all T83BIRD: Nite Deev HOST EBK Mars: Thanks for the questions Dee! Araiused: Nite, Dee Deeviouso911: thank you FIJAGDH: Later, Dee TAMirabile: Night Dee Deeviouso911: tx ara OnlineHost: Deeviouso911 has left the room. TAMirabile: Beware!! HOST EBK Mars: Beware? TAMirabile: heh the Ides of March HOST EBK Mars: LOL! HOST EBK Mars: Yeah. Araiused: LOLOL TAMirabile: I'm doing a really fast fade here. Good night. Thanks, Mars! Great chat T83BIRD: Alas, must leave the egregious company of this excellent assembly. Thanks, Mars. Nite all. HOST EBK Mars: Tam, thanks for dropping by... HOST EBK Mars: T8...thank you too. OnlineHost: TAMirabile has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: Be sure to come by tomorrow for Helio's chat! Araiused: Nite, T Araiused: and TAM OnlineHost: StaceyKaye has left the room. FIJAGDH: Later, Tam % T HOST EBK Mars: I downloaded the eBook. OnlineHost: T83BIRD has left the room. FIJAGDH: must kill lag OnlineHost: FIJAGDH has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: Intersting that there is a lag tonight. Athanor IX: ::ping:: Araiused: Yeah, Mars. Araiused: LOL HOST EBK Mars: LOL Ath. HOST EBK Mars: :::ping::: OnlineHost: FIJAGDH has entered the room. Athanor IX: No lag here. SpleenVent: it must be because Stevie got bumped off the richest list Araiused: :::: pong :::: Araiused: Was he, Spleen? HOST EBK Mars: Stevie? Araiused: How come, with so many acquisitions? HOST EBK Mars: Hiya Figgy. SpleenVent: yeah,didn't make the top 10 this year Araiused: Steve Caase Araiused: Case HOST EBK Mars: He is no longer as rich as he was? Araiused: Who took his place? HOST EBK Mars: Or is it that Gates has gotten so much richer... Athanor IX: Not me, unfortunately. SpleenVent: eith that or the toehrs got alot richer then he did HOST EBK Mars: That steve no longer rates? Araiused: 30 million members and not rich enough... SpleenVent: actually gates got about .5 bil poorer but still at top of the list FIJAGDH: Poor Bill. HOST EBK Mars: Hmmm...wonder if he invested in Enron? SpleenVent: no he invested in lawyers i think Athanor IX: Were I as wealthy as Bill G, I'd buy naming rights to sports facilities and put stupid names on them. HOST EBK Mars: LOLOL HOST EBK Mars: Welll....lawyers can be darn expensive. FIJAGDH: LOL Ath. Such as.... ? Athanor IX: The Unflushed Bowl. Araiused: LOLOL SpleenVent: yeah I would make them put tid-e-bowl on some stadium FIJAGDH: LOLOL HOST EBK Mars: Eeeeewwww Ath FIJAGDH: Lag? or paws? OnlineHost: Darkomik77 has entered the room. FIJAGDH: Hi Dark Darkomik77: yo Araiused: Doze, Figgy HOST EBK Mars: Hiya Dark...you missed the Turtledove chat... Araiused: Hi, Dark HOST EBK Mars: It went well tonight and lots of good questions asked. Darkomik77: ah well Darkomik77: I shoulda ask how is it like working with Richard Dreyfuss Darkomik77: oh well HOST EBK Mars: He mentioned that Dreyfuss is busy with other projects these days. HOST EBK Mars: Someone asked about whether or not there was going to be a ... HOST EBK Mars: sequel to _THE TWO GEORGES_ Darkomik77: another collaboration/ SpleenVent: I like the Guns of the South and I tried to read one of those Great War books but found it too boring HOST EBK Mars: How so Spleen? Athanor IX: RD is one of the few actors who I believe is capable of significant contribution to a novel. HOST EBK Mars: It was a good book Ath. Darkomik77: not so with other actor/authors? SpleenVent: too slow paced for my liking HOST EBK Mars: You enjoyed it I take it? FIJAGDH: Most AH stuff doesn't go far enough for my tastes. PKD's MitHC is more like my kind of AH. Athanor IX: I think the vast majority of them merely lend their names. Darkomik77: few actor/authors do good writing HOST EBK Mars: Ah...well Turtledove does attend to his detail. Araiused: What is far enough, figgy? HOST EBK Mars: Have you tried the colonization books? Darkomik77: classic example would be Shatner, ath HOST EBK Mars: Figgy...Turtledove keeps his work too close to reality? FIJAGDH: Ara, as we say in the South... WOD. (Way out dere) HOST EBK Mars: lol FIJAGDH: Righto, Mars. SpleenVent: I read the earlier series but not the new one HOST EBK Mars: Hmmmm. Also if you find the attention to detail too excruciating in the novels... HOST EBK Mars: you *might* want to pick up the anthology _Counting Up, Counting Down_ HOST EBK Mars: It's a collection of shorter stories...some novella length at most... HOST EBK Mars: and Turtledove is an accomplished writer. HOST EBK Mars: I did like the first story, "40 Counting Down" FIJAGDH: Anthologies are good. No way an author can be overly concerned with minutiae in a FIJAGDH: short story. HOST EBK Mars: Precisely. MACs are featured prominently, as well as AOL... HOST EBK Mars: LOL FIJAGDH: qualifier: * a good short story HOST EBK Mars: LOL... HOST EBK Mars: Have you read short stories that paid too much attention to what you saw... HOST EBK Mars: as unnecessary detail, Figgy? HOST EBK Mars: I'm just wondering how that could get past a decent editor. Darkomik77: in short story form, you don't have time to fully develope characters Darkomik77: just a few select details enough to flesh out the character a bit Darkomik77: & still keep with the short story Darkomik77: without stretching it too long FIJAGDH: I disagree, Dark. The well-placed word, thought, or scene can speak volumes. Darkomik77: that's what I said FIJAGDH: Okay, maybe I agree. You said "fully develop". HOST EBK Mars: Indeed. OnlineHost: Patterner has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: Hi Patt! Patterner: Hi folks! FIJAGDH: Hi Patt Araiused: Hi, Patt Darkomik77: yo patt HOST EBK Mars: We're talking about the well rounded short story right now. Patterner: Hi Ath! Hi Ara! Hi Dark! Hi Spleen! Hi FIJ! Hi Patterner: Mars! Did you have Harry in tonight? HOST EBK Mars: Yes. Patterner: Ah good. :) Darkomik77: well, I'm talking about characterization Patterner: I think Terry Bisson and Connie Wilis are Patterner: masters of the short story. HOST EBK Mars: Right now we're discussing how much detail should go in a short story. SpleenVent: Hiya Patt Darkomik77: in a short story form Patterner: According to the writers on rasfc, much less Patterner: than in a novel. HOST EBK Mars: Connie Willis is a hoot...I like her novels as well though. SpleenVent: when are you going to get Harry Harrison in here? HOST EBK Mars: When I can track him down and shackle him to the keyboard...if he's still alive. Darkomik77: that should be interesting with Harry Harrison Patterner: When rats can type? FIJAGDH: I don't care for "fully developed" characters. I do not want to know what his/her favorite FIJAGDH: ice cream is, or about his childhood, I want the story. Pronto. SpleenVent: Patt LoL Darkomik77: especially if they're stainless steel patt HOST EBK Mars: You never know who we'll grab and superglue to the computers at WorldCon. Darkomik77: mars, make sure it's crazy glue HOST EBK Mars: Why crazy instead of super? Darkomik77: guarenteed to make 'em stick HOST EBK Mars: It's not like un-attaching the authors with fingernail polish remover will hurt my computers. HOST EBK Mars: You can't read the letters on them already. SpleenVent: you may need a welding machine instead of glue Araiused: How many laptops will you bring, Mars? Darkomik77: well, you can strap 'em to their chairs Darkomik77: with crazy glue HOST EBK Mars: Well...I've purchased some nice bicycle locks already. HOST EBK Mars: That and the duct tape may be all I need. HOST EBK Mars: Ara...I've networked two. Darkomik77: guarentee they will risk ripping their clothes Darkomik77: when they peeling themselves off their seats FIJAGDH: "There's three kinds of welding...." - Anon. HOST EBK Mars: Not that authors running around nekkid at a convention is something new, he? HOST EBK Mars: eh, that is. Darkomik77: when's the last time that ever happened mars? HOST EBK Mars: I was being canadian backwards there. HOST EBK Mars: Last WorldCon I suspect Dark. Araiused: LOL Darkomik77: really? who? HOST EBK Mars: I wasn't there Dark. I can't say. HOST EBK Mars: Last worldcon I attended was here in Chicago, and I was superglued to the keyboard then. Darkomik77: maybe yer just witholding info mars HOST EBK Mars: They don't serve liquor in the Greenroom... so I didn't see anything but folks wolfing down coldcuts Darkomik77: coldcuts? HOST EBK Mars: Now Dark. I'm setting up a "Cutest Butt in Science Fiction" contest. Darkomik77: another one for the flexicon? HOST EBK Mars: If I'm willing to take pictures, why would I withhold mere gossip? HOST EBK Mars: Coldcuts and other foodstuffs as well as coffee and softdrinks are served... HOST EBK Mars: by the convention committee in the Green Room for author guests and other... Darkomik77: coldcuts as in ice cubes? HOST EBK Mars: honored attendees. Patterner: Which confuses the UK guests -- the habit there Patterner: is to hand them an alcoholic drink to take to the Patterner: panel with them. HOST EBK Mars: coldcuts as in baloney, ham, cheese FIJAGDH: Dang. I already packed up my scanner, Mars. Guess I'll keep sitting on the chair instead. HOST EBK Mars: LOL. Patterner: Dark, cold cuts means cold sliced meat. Darkomik77: ah HOST EBK Mars: Figgy! Mail me a picture. HOST EBK Mars: TUESDAY, March 6, 10pm-12am ET -- HOST EBK Mars: SinisterTech? ~ HOST EBK Mars: . HOST EBK Mars: Machines running amuck and medicine gone HOST EBK Mars: askew: how much can we take it? We can take HOST EBK Mars: plenty and we can take more. Sciencefictioneers HOST EBK Mars: thrive on the horrid tales of abominable HOST EBK Mars: machinery and sinister technology. Join OWC HOST EBK Mars: Helio for a night of Technothrillers. Darkomik77: I just thought cold cut as in ice cubes carved with chainsaws HOST EBK Mars: Just wanted to remind you all why you should be back here tomorrow night... Patterner: That's usually called ice sculpture. HOST EBK Mars: same O*W*C time, same O*W*C channel. Darkomik77: patt, I'd leave that to Scissorhands HOST EBK Mars: And excellent dark fantasy btw, Dark. Darkomik77: yep mars HOST EBK Mars: That was Vincent Price's last movie, wasn't it? Darkomik77: yep Darkomik77: sad though FIJAGDH: I'm out. Thanks, Mars. Night all. Patterner: Night, FIJ! SpleenVent: one of those phantasm balls would come in handy at work HOST EBK Mars: Not counting "Planet of the Apes" I can't say that there's a Burton film or short subject that I didn't thoroughly enjoy. Araiused: Nite, Figgy Darkomik77: ironic that his character dropped dead HOST EBK Mars: Later Figgy. OnlineHost: FIJAGDH has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: I think that Price was well aware that it was going to be his last film. Darkomik77: I'd count Planet of the Apes as part of the films I'd like with Tim Burton Athanor IX: I loathe Burton's Batman. Araiused: The first Batman? Athanor IX: The first modern Batman. HOST EBK Mars: Yeah...wasn't his the first? Araiused: I like the Batman with Catwoman Darkomik77: 'cuz of Michael Keaton? HOST EBK Mars: With Keaton? Athanor IX: But I despise the lot of them. Athanor IX: Yup. Keaton. Darkomik77: figures SpleenVent: night all Araiused: Nite, Spleen Darkomik77: George Clooney as Batman just didn't click with me OnlineHost: SpleenVent has left the room. Darkomik77: ciao spleen HOST EBK Mars: Funny, I really liked the dark vision Burton brought to the story HOST EBK Mars: Now I didn't see the Clooney version Araiused: Me too, Mars Darkomik77: well, take it from me mars, you won't miss it HOST EBK Mars: And I was floored by "Sleepy Hollow" Darkomik77: I loved it mars HOST EBK Mars: Even with the liberties taken with the plot. HOST EBK Mars: I thought that movie was exceptional. Araiused: Have you seen "From Hell", Mars? HOST EBK Mars: Of course, Christopher Walken in a movie where he wasn't allowed to talk was a hoot too. Darkomik77: Washington Irving's story had little to do with the movie HOST EBK Mars: From Hell? I don't think so. It's a Burton Movie Ara? Darkomik77: nope mars Araiused: Johnny Depp starred there too. HOST EBK Mars: Oh, well, I am an almost card-carrying Depette. Darkomik77: From Hell was made by the brothers who made Menace to Society HOST EBK Mars: I'll have to see it. There are several Depp movies I've missed since I got back onto AOL, lol. HOST EBK Mars: Just got around to renting Chocolat last month. Araiused: Chocolat is one, Mars Darkomik77: ferget the Ninth Gate Darkomik77: mars Araiused: Ninth Gate sucks HOST EBK Mars: Oh I saw that. Enjoyed it too Dark. HOST EBK Mars: Really. Hmmmm. Araiused: The ending just hung Darkomik77: I practically hate that mars HOST EBK Mars: I thought it was tres amusing. Darkomik77: I thought so too ara Araiused: Ninth Gate got as good as it went until the ending... HOST EBK Mars: How do you think the ending hung? Darkomik77: when I saw that ending, I thought, That's IT?! Darkomik77: no way HOST EBK Mars: LOLOL...well...you win the fist prize...and what *IS* that prize? You go to hell. HOST EBK Mars: Well...need they say more? HOST EBK Mars: first prize, that is. Darkomik77: I still think that ending is a cop out HOST EBK Mars: LOL, interesting. You know where cop out comes from? Darkomik77: not exactly Polanski's best work HOST EBK Mars: Cop out is where you stop defending yourself and plead guilty in a court of law. HOST EBK Mars: So, yes. The ending *was* a cop out. lolol. Araiused: In that sense, LOL, Mars :) Araiused: Guilty as hell :) HOST EBK Mars: LOL, precisely! Darkomik77: hey, his problem doesn't have to show up in his work HOST EBK Mars: Oh...any creative person will leave bits and pieces of himself... HOST EBK Mars: strewn throughout his art. Patterner: LOL Darkomik77: unconsciously HOST EBK Mars: One of the reasons I delight so in reading novels, etc. HOST EBK Mars: You get to know people intimately. Like running into someone f2f and realizing... Darkomik77: PKD for instance? HOST EBK Mars: they know more about you from meeting you online than you know about yourself. Darkomik77: I doubt that mars HOST EBK Mars: I admire authors who have the guts to go to Conventions. HOST EBK Mars: And on the note of having the guts to get going... HOST EBK Mars: Folks, it's been a pleasure having you all here tonight. Araiused: Thanks, Mars! HOST EBK Mars: Please feel free to stay and chat... Patterner: Thanks, Mars! Good chat! Patterner: See y'all tomorrow! OnlineHost: Patterner has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: and remember...if anyone bothers you ... ignore them... Darkomik77: while you fly mars, watch out for that brick wall HOST EBK Mars: or use the handy dandy "Report to AOL" button! Araiused: LOL HOST EBK Mars: LOL...did Ara brick up the window again? Araiused: Yup HOST EBK Mars: :::thwapps Ara about the head and shoulders with the Ornamental Sears Tower Pillow::: Darkomik77: well mars, hate to see you go like George of the jungle HOST EBK Mars: Thanks for the warning Dark. Araiused: LOL HOST EBK Mars: ::::opens window wide:::: HOST EBK Mars: ::::pulls back curtains:::: HOST EBK Mars: ::::puts on rocket pack:::: HOST EBK Mars: ::::waves:::: Goodnight everyone! See you next week if not before! Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 4] 3/5/02 23:03