OWC Mars: ***The opinions expressed in this chat OWC Mars: are not necessarily those of The OWC Mars: Other*Worlds*Cafe or America OWC Mars: Online.*** OWC Mars: We're running tonight's chat under OWC Mars: PROTOCOL. If you have a question for OWC Mars: Turtledove, please TYPE A ? INTO OWC Mars: THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add your OWC Mars: name to the queue and call you when it's OWC Mars: you're turn. PLEASE WAIT FOR MY OWC Mars: CUE TO ASK YOUR QUESTION! OWC Mars: Okay... if you're ready Harry? ALT HIST0RY: Yup. OWC Mars: Ben the new Brunswicker..Dr., was OWC Mars: the switch of flora's father's name OWC Mars: from benjamin to abraham OWC Mars: accidental? or intended ALT HIST0RY: Always nice to know when I screw up, and I screwed up. HOST EBK Astra: LOL ALT HIST0RY: _You_ can laugh. :-( JDipale: Oh, in that case JDipale: :P OWC Mars: Woodrow asks When will Alternate Generals come out? ALT HIST0RY: AG2 is turned in to Baen. Pub date early next year, I expect. Don't have month yet. JDipale: Hi FIJ! HOST EBK Astra: Hi Figgy :) FIJAGDH: Hi JD my brother! OWC Mars: Hi Figgy. ALT HIST0RY: Hello, FIJ! OWC Mars: Thanks for talking your time to chat OWC Mars: dr. My question is there going to be OWC Mars: any new character taking the place of OWC Mars: mcgregor and kimbal? ALT HIST0RY: Yes. FIJAGDH: Hi Astra, Hi Mars, Hi ALT. ALT HIST0RY: OWC Mars: JD... Fig.. if you have a question for Dr. Turtledove...who is here with us tonight... HOST EBK Astra: Hi Stacey OWC Mars: as Alt History... please Put up a ? FIJAGDH: Hi Stacey JDipale: I've met you at Chicon, ICON, and Mil Phil. Do you like conventions, or are they a necessary evil? StaceyKaye: good evening ALT HIST0RY: Hello, Stacey. JDipale: OOOPS OWC Mars: James Herriot's real OWC Mars: name was Alf Whyte, correct? (Yes, OWC Mars: that IS relevant). ALT HIST0RY: I mostly like 'em, JD. Mostly. HOST EBK Astra: ::: thwapping JD back into line ::: Darkomik77: yo HOST EBK Astra: Hi Dark JDipale: Mostly...good answer! ALT HIST0RY: Yes, BW, that is right. FIJAGDH: ? Darkomik77: yeh..???????????? JDipale: . OWC Mars: Fig...please ask your question. FIJAGDH: Much has been made of land engagements in WWII, any opinion as to potential effects FIJAGDH: of a much stronger Axis Navy? FIJAGDH: *WWII AH, that is. T83BIRD: Hi, all. FIJAGDH: Hi T Darkomik77: yo t OWC Mars: Hi T. If you have a question for Dr. OWC Mars: Turtledove, please put a ? in the OWC Mars: screen and I'll add you to queue. ALT HIST0RY: You'd have had to start early to get the Axis--the Kriegsmarine, I assume you mean--strong enough to be a serious challenge to the Royal Navy. Can't do everything at once, so Hitler concentrated on the Wehrmacht instead. HOST EBK Astra: Hi T ALT HIST0RY: Hi, TBird. Shadowjakk: ::::Screeching to a halt, leaping over side of Dodge Shadowjakk: Viper, donning mirrorshades, and tossing keys to Shadowjakk: valet::::: OWC Mars: Hi Shadow. HOST EBK Astra: Hi Shadow! Shadowjakk: Hiyas. T83BIRD: Hi Shadow Darkomik77: yo shadow ALT HIST0RY: Hellohellohello. Hello. JDipale: Hey Shadow Shadowjakk: Ah...hello, Mr History. :) OWC Mars: FIJAGDH: Much has been OWC Mars: made of land engagements in WWII, OWC Mars: any opinion as to potential effects OWC Mars: FIJAGDH: of a much stronger OWC Mars: Axis Navy? OWC Mars: FIJAGDH: *WWII AH, that is. ALT HIST0RY: Which WW2 a-h? There are lots of 'em. OWC Mars: Go ahead and clarify, Fij. FIJAGDH: LOLOL ::::sitting down and shutting up::: Darkomik77: ah come on fij OWC Mars: Dark... did you have a question? Darkomik77: nah Darkomik77: could not think of one Darkomik77: I'll let you know though OWC Mars: Thanks...okay... from Cybling... OWC Mars: I've noticed that your OWC Mars: novels sometimes contain snippets in OWC Mars: foreign languages. How many OWC Mars: languages do you know? Are there OWC Mars: certain people you go to for help with OWC Mars: ones you don't speak yourself? ALT HIST0RY: I know at least little bits of French, Yiddish, German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, ancient Greek, and Latin. Yeah, I know people who have languages I don't. Comes in handy. OWC Mars: We're running tonight's chat under OWC Mars: PROTOCOL. If you have a question OWC Mars: for Turtledove, please TYPE A ? OWC Mars: INTO THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add OWC Mars: your name to the queue and call you OWC Mars: when it's you're turn. PLEASE WAIT OWC Mars: FOR MY CUE TO ASK YOUR OWC Mars: QUESTION! T83BIRD: Hi Chip OWC Mars: Hi JNR. OWC Mars: Here's another question from Cybling... OWC Mars: are they planning to grant woman's suffrage in the CSA ALT HIST0RY: Not immediately, at any rate. OWC Mars: Harry... I wanted to ask you about this book you've just edited... OWC Mars: Can you tell me a little about how that came about? OWC Mars: Was it your idea? ALT HIST0RY: The a-h and military sf anthologies, you mean? OWC Mars: Yes! ALT HIST0RY: Well, partly my idea and partly Marty Greenberg's. Marty is a good man to know--_the_ man to know--if you're doing sf anthologies these days. OWC Mars: Hi Ara. Araiused: Good evening. Darkomik77: yo ara HOST EBK Astra: Hi Chip, Ara! T83BIRD: Hi Ara Darkomik77: yo chip ALT HIST0RY: Hello, Ara OWC Mars: And so you pretty much had a free OWC Mars: hand in selecting the stories that OWC Mars: went into the anthology? Anything in OWC Mars: particular you were looking for in this OWC Mars: one? Araiused: Hi, PN Darkomik77: yo pn PN Elrod 2: howdy Shadowjakk: Hi PN. HOST EBK Astra: Hi PN ALT HIST0RY: A variety of interesting a-h stories. Which I think and hope we got. PN Elrod 2: Please, just send money. ALT HIST0RY: Hi, PN. Good to virtually see you. FIJAGDH: $$, PN OWC Mars: We're running tonight's chat under OWC Mars: PROTOCOL. If you have a question OWC Mars: for Turtledove, please TYPE A ? OWC Mars: INTO THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add OWC Mars: your name to the queue and call you OWC Mars: when it's you're turn. PLEASE WAIT OWC Mars: FOR MY CUE TO ASK YOUR OWC Mars: QUESTION! T83BIRD: Hey PN OWC Mars: Harry... I have some more questions here from Cybling... PN Elrod 2: ? OWC Mars: I've heard that some OWC Mars: of your older story collections will be OWC Mars: re-printed. If so, when? I'd love to get OWC Mars: 'em! ALT HIST0RY: Don't have pub dates yet, but Baen has bought NONINTERFERENCE, EARTHGRIP, and KALEIDOSCOPE. Araiused: ? OWC Mars: PN...you have a question? Shoot! PN Elrod 2: Ohmuh gawd. Harry--is that you here??? How the heck ARE you?? T83BIRD: Hi Jet PN Elrod 2: Ain't seen you since that Big Bust Con with Hamill!! T83BIRD: Hi TAM Darkomik77: yo tam & jet JDipale: TAM!! Jetkas: hello ALT HIST0RY: Yes, behind this mild ALT HIST0RY mask lurks--a damn skiffy writer. PN Elrod 2: LOL. So GA, we can visit later ALT HIST0RY: Cool. OWC Mars: And here's a question from Cybling... OWC Mars: Is that Worldwar computer game still coming out? Is there a release date? TAMirabile: Hi, T! JD! Dark! ALT HIST0RY: Beta is supposed to be February of next year, BW. ALT HIST0RY: Araiused, GA. Araiused: What has made you decide to go on the road of AH? Araiused: Hi, TAM :) ALT HIST0RY: I'm a longtime sf reader with a doctorate in Byzantine history who wanted to be a writer. What am I gonna do? OWC Mars: And another question from across the internet... OWC Mars: Is the Doctor going to do another Colonization Series? ALT HIST0RY: There may be one more book in that universe. Otoh, there may not be, too. OWC Mars: Where may we find this Worldwar computer game? ALT HIST0RY: You can't find it yet, Dubya, on account of it doesn't exist yet. Some mad Swedes are working on it, though. Araiused: ! JDipale: those Mad Swedes! OWC Mars: Folks...if you have questions for Dr. Turtledove, just put a ? or ! in the screen. ALT HIST0RY: Ja. OWC Mars: Ara...go ahead. Araiused: Why the Swedes?! ALT HIST0RY: They wanted the rights and their check cleared. JDipale: That is Mad!!! Araiused: :: Poking JD :: Darkomik77: Mad swedes... be on the look out fellas OWC Mars: when OWC Mars: featherston comes to power, will his OWC Mars: anti-black stance rival hitler's anti- OWC Mars: semitic? or am i jumping to OWC Mars: conclusions here? ALT HIST0RY: I don't talk about books not yet out, Ben. Sorry. T83BIRD: ? OWC Mars: T8...go ahead T83BIRD: Doctor, does your portrayal of governments in any way reflect your views of them? ALT HIST0RY: There is a term for people who infer the writer's view from the views expressed by his character. The term is "fool." JDipale: lol OWC Mars: lol PN Elrod 2: OWC Mars: We're running tonight's chat under Shadowjakk: I thought you called them "Ayn Rand fans." OWC Mars: PROTOCOL. If you have a question Darkomik77: :) OWC Mars: for Turtledove, please TYPE A ? OWC Mars: INTO THE CHAT SCREEN. I will add JDipale: I guess that is the Technical Term OWC Mars: your name to the queue and call you OWC Mars: when it's you're turn. PLEASE WAIT OWC Mars: FOR MY CUE TO ASK YOUR OWC Mars: QUESTION! OWC Mars: lol. OWC Mars: How do we sign up to be Beta testers for WorldWar Game? ALT HIST0RY: I haven't the faintest idea. I'm disqualified anyway, essentially, being a Mac person. JDipale: . Darkomik77: yo jt Shadowjakk: Hi JT. JTOWN1737: hello al:) HOST EBK Astra: Hi JT :) ALT HIST0RY: Greetings, JT. JTOWN1737: all JDipale: Hi JT T83BIRD: Hi JT OWC Mars: Harry....your most recent book on the shelves is an anthology... Araiused: Hi JT OWC Mars: Is your next book going to be in one of your established universes? ALT HIST0RY: Next one--coming out in November--is MARCHING THROUGH PEACHTREE, which follows on the silly heels of SENTRY PEAK. You have been warned. JTOWN1737: Harry Turtledove's in here. How is everyone? Araiused: Swell, JT ALT HIST0RY: Fair to partly cloudy. Darkomik77: just peachy OWC Mars: Folks... if you have a question for Turtledove...put up a ? Araiused: C-c-c-cold. Darkomik77: cold? I'm sweating OWC Mars: In either series, Colonization and GW, whats India up to? JTOWN1737: I am ashamed to say, that I've never read any of his works TAMirabile: You've missed a treat, JT. ALT HIST0RY: In the COLONIZATION universe, it belongs to the Lizards and is being Homeformed more than a lot of other places. In the GW universe, it still belongs to the UK. PN Elrod 2: ? JTOWN1737: I'm sweating, too, Dark ALT HIST0RY: Shame on you, JT. I'm cut to the quick--to the quick, I tell you! OWC Mars: Dubya> What company will be making the Worldwar computer game? OWC Mars: I don't think we got a name before. ALT HIST0RY: PAN Interactive. JTOWN1737: I'm sorry, Harry. :::::::Hangs head in shame:::::: Darkomik77: whatever you do JT, always tell the author you never read any of his works... (shakes head) OWC Mars: Thanks Harry. PN... go ahead. PN Elrod 2: Just a comment. I am in total awe that you can keep that amount of detail all straight in your mind, book after book. ^5 JDipale: Got a couple of the Fox books signed last month at Mil Phil :) PN Elrod 2: Maybe you can tell us how you manage it? ALT HIST0RY: I have an offkey memory. Might as well put it to some sort of perverse use. I don't know what else to say. PN Elrod 2: LOL ALT HIST0RY: Thank you, JD. OWC Mars: Thanks Harry...some more questions from across the void... Darkomik77: yo tech HOST EBK Astra: Hi Tech! OWC Mars: t OWC Mars: Why do OWC Mars: the Socialists enjoy more success in T83BIRD: Hi Tech OWC Mars: the GW/AE timeline than OTL? Is it OWC Mars: because the most conservative states OWC Mars: are no longer with the Union? JDipale: TECH!!! Araiused: Techie!! Techyo: Hi all! StaceyKaye: HI Tech JTOWN1737: ::::::::looks at watch, looks sheepish:::::::: ALT HIST0RY: Partly that, Baryon. Partly that they've coopted more of the left and been more ideologically naturalized, so to speak, than they ever were in this world. OWC Mars: Folks...if you have a question for Harry... put up your ???s so I can call on you. OWC Mars: Hi. I have been OWC Mars: reading the first book in the Darkness OWC Mars: series. Somewhere I read that the OWC Mars: countries in that series correlate to OWC Mars: real countries during WWII. It has OWC Mars: spoiled my reading somewhat, trying OWC Mars: to figure out just who correlates to OWC Mars: whom. 1. Is there a correlation? 2. If OWC Mars: so, is it written anywehere for readers OWC Mars: to see? Thanks for your time this OWC Mars: evening. I appreciate your talent & OWC Mars: your books. JTOWN1737: Good night all Araiused: Nite, JT OWC Mars: Nite JT. HOST EBK Astra: Night JT ! Darkomik77: see ya jt FIJAGDH: Later, JT ALT HIST0RY: Guest, there are analogies. No match is a perfect one-to-one between that universe and this one. If you don't see 'em, don't worry about it and just enjoy the ride. It works at that level, too, I hope. JDipale: Bye JT T83BIRD: Nite JT ALT HIST0RY: So long, JT. Try my books. ;-) Araiused: Hi, BLR Darkomik77: yo blr Shadowjakk: Hi BLR. BLR WIZ: Hi All JDipale: HEY BLR! HOST EBK Astra: Hi BLR T83BIRD: Ho BLR StaceyKaye: hi blr ALT HIST0RY: hi blr Araiused: ? ALT HIST0RY: GA Araiused: Have you considered an a-h timeline to our current one? OWC Mars: Ara... please go ahead ALT HIST0RY: Meaning how? Meaning September 11 didn't happen? Meaning Gore was prez when it did? That kind of thing? You usually need to get a little more distance so you can see the effects of something before you look at alternatives. OWC Mars: Can we take that as a no, Harry?under "occupation"? Araiused: "Under construction?" :) OWC Mars: Okay... I have a question from Cybling here. ALT HIST0RY: "Under construction," yeah. That works. But we need more superstructure. OWC Mars: will OWC Mars: any permament annexations of OWC Mars: canadian territory occur, or will it OWC Mars: remain under "occupation"? ALT HIST0RY: I'll say it again: I don't comment on what's not yet in print. OWC Mars: When can we expect to see _Ruled Britannia_? It sounds terrific! ALT HIST0RY: Pub date is going to be January '03, from what my Kindly Editor says. OWC Mars: Folks...if you have questions for Dr. Turtledove... please put your ? up onscreen! JDipale: 03??? Man, that's soooooooo long from now :( Araiused: Only 600 something days, JD :) OWC Mars: What makes a turning OWC Mars: point in history grab your attention as OWC Mars: the one whos change will allow you to OWC Mars: tell a great story? JDipale: Maybe Mars can put a counter on Cybling? ALT HIST0RY: I'm not completely happy about it, but it ties in with other things coming out. And I am not the master of my soul or captain of my fate in this regard. ALT HIST0RY: jstrider, it needs to have important and I hope interesting consequences if it happens differently from the way it really did. That's about the best I can do. ALT HIST0RY: Actually, only about 440 days. OWC Mars: Other than free trade, OWC Mars: what does the Radical Liberal Party OWC Mars: stand for? How did the Whig/RadLib OWC Mars: split develop in the CSA? T83BIRD: bye BLR Shadowjakk: Longer in timelins using the Julian calendar. Araiused: LOL BLR WIZ: bak Darkomik77: wb blr Araiused: Re's BLR T83BIRD: wb BLR ALT HIST0RY: The same way any split develops, Maccabee1. Liberals and conservatives quarrel and form factions. The Rad Libs were the party that was soft on the USA. Since the Whigs had had fun and profit whupping Uncle Sam... ALT HIST0RY: The Rad Libs didn't flourish. T83BIRD: Hi STAR Darkomik77: yo star Araiused: Hi, STAR JDipale: Hi Star! Araiused: ? STARMOM79: Wow, full house! Hi all HOST EBK Astra: Hi STAR :) ALT HIST0RY: Hello, Star. OWC Mars: Harry...could you give me the answer to that last question again. OWC Mars: 'm sorry it didn't come through from me. ALT HIST0RY: The same way any split develops, Maccabee1. Liberals and conservatives quarrel and form factions. The Rad Libs were the party ... ALT HIST0RY: that was soft on the USA. Since the Whigs had had fun and profit whupping Uncle Sam... ALT HIST0RY: The Rad Libs didn't flourish. ALT HIST0RY: Better? OWC Mars: Thank you so Much Harry! Yes. OWC Mars: Have you OWC Mars: considered doing shared world OWC Mars: anthologies (like "Drakas!") in any of OWC Mars: your timelines? ALT HIST0RY: Not seriously, BW. Araiused: ? OWC Mars: Go ahead Ara. Araiused: Your alternate history is mainly focussed on Western Araiused: history (European/American). Are you going to focus on Araiused: Eastern/Asian history in the future? ALT HIST0RY: Well, I've done some involving Islam, and some involving its nonexistence. As for heading farther East--depends on whether enough people in an English-speaking audience care. OWC Mars: Your upcoming story OWC Mars: "Black Tulip" seems strangely OWC Mars: prescient given the current state of OWC Mars: things. Any thoughts about it? Araiused: ? ALT HIST0RY: Hi, Steven. I was doing an Afghanistan/Vietnam analogy. I wish it weren't quite so relevant now. OWC Mars: Go ahead ARa T83BIRD: Hi Ath Shadowjakk: Hi Ath. Darkomik77: yo ath HOST EBK Astra: Hi Ath Athanor IX: Hi. Araiused: Would you like to see any of your works as a film or a tv miniseries? ALT HIST0RY: Sure. I like exposure and money. Araiused: LOL Darkomik77: ? OWC Mars: Why did the Germans OWC Mars: have to be destroyed in the OWC Mars: Colonization series? And if they T83BIRD: LOLOL OWC Mars: really had to, why didn't they OWC Mars: cause more damage then what OWC Mars: happened, and what happened to OWC Mars: their ABM system?ALT HIST0RY, ALT HIST0RY: Why did they have to be destroyed? Because I didn't like the bastards. They did plenty of damage. OWC Mars: Harry I want to thank you very much for joining us tonight.... FIJAGDH: LOL OWC Mars: I know that you really need to get back to writing. Techyo: Mr Turtledove good to see you again and thanks! ALT HIST0RY: I wasn't joking, FIJ. BLR WIZ: ? T83BIRD: Thanks, Doctor. OWC Mars: Can we talk you into another chat in the future? Araiused: Dark has a question and BLR JNRChip: Yes, thank you, Mr. Turtledove. ALT HIST0RY: Sure. I'd like that. JDipale: Great Chatting with you! Shadowjakk: Thank you, Dr. Turtledove. HOST EBK Astra: ::: applause :::: ALT HIST0RY: Thank you all. Apologies, but I do have to make like a tree and leaf. TAMirabile: Thank you, Dr. Turtledove! Darkomik77: nice reading ya Doc Turtledove JDipale: ARG!!! HOST EBK Astra: Branching out, Harry? StaceyKaye: thanks for coming ! OWC Mars: Folks...everyone over at Cybling says thanks a lot! OWC Mars: b ALT HIST0RY: CU all. Bye. OWC Mars: sure OWC Mars: PN Elrod 2: Bye Harry! OWC Mars: thanks dr OWC Mars: Opps, messed up my OWC Mars: font BLR WIZ: Thanks Harry HOST EBK Astra: Night, Harry! Darkomik77: see ya Turtledove FIJAGDH: Glad you deciduous to join us this evening, ALT. Araiused: Goodnight, Doctor PN Elrod 2: and I was wrong, I think we were at a con in Carolina this year TAMirabile: That's oak with us HOST EBK Astra: LOL Tam PN Elrod 2: man, I must have been having an episode that month to forget. **************************** Regular Chat Follows **************************** OWC Mars: :::stretching::: Araiused: :: pause ::: BLR WIZ: I thought that he would be here longer :( Darkomik77: I was gonna ask him how much working time he puts into writing TAMirabile: Mars :::applause:::: Darkomik77: :( Techyo: I'd thought you stretched as far as you could earlier, Mars. BLR WIZ: I was going to ask. OWC Mars: Folks...in this little pause I should Techyo: OWC Mars: let you know that we have OWC Mars: Turtledove a couple 3 times a Araiused: He has a busy schedule. BLR WIZ: Do you plan on doing any more fantasy/humor such as The Case Of The Toxic Spell Dump? OWC Mars: year. FIJAGDH: LOL Tech. Good job, Mars! Darkomik77: I imagine that ara PN Elrod 2: All I know was we BOTH acted like a couple a fanboys when we met Mark Hamill a couple years back. OWC Mars: So watch the O*W*C mailer and bring your questions in your pockets. JDipale: ? Araiused: ??, JD Darkomik77: ????????????????????? HOST EBK Astra: ::: puts duct tape and taser back into locker, then somersaults out of the room ::: OWC Mars: Yes, JD? Techyo: Great job, Mars. Only problem is you make it look so easy some other pour person might try it and hurt themselves. Darkomik77: Now yer outgunned TAMirabile: Oh no! JD's stuck in protocol Araiused: Yeah, folks, seems I was asking all the questions here. OWC Mars: And now is also a good time... Darkomik77: ah well OWC Mars: for this... OWC Mars: manana Darkomik77: hey gand Araiused: And I haven't even read any of his books! JNRChip: Hiya, Gand. OWC Mars: FRIDAY, OCT 5, 10pm-12am Techyo: I have a pass my mind took off. OWC Mars: ET -- There's a time and place OWC Mars: for everything. Or is there? OWC Mars: Does humor have a place in OWC Mars: modern science fiction? Can OWC Mars: there ever be too much? Can it Gandalara: ::: somersaults in ::: :::THUD ::: OWC Mars: ever be too sick or black? Join T83BIRD: Hey Gand OWC Mars: HOST EBK Astra to chortle OWC Mars: about Parody, Pastiche and OWC Mars: Humor! Darkomik77: ye just missed him here Araiused: Hey, Gand PN Elrod 2: funny thing, I was retouching the pic Hamill signed for me, blooting out my ex's name Techyo: Gand LTNS!!!!! PN Elrod 2: blotting* Shadowjakk: I haven't had a good chortle in months. Darkomik77: of course they do mars JNRChip: My good friend Mr. Percoset and I are going to bed now. JNRChip: Just wanted to pop in for a bit and say hi. Night, all! :) OWC Mars: Hi Gand. T83BIRD: Nite Chip OWC Mars: Hi JNR! Araiused: Nite, Chip! Techyo: Night Chip. Darkomik77: see ya chip Gandalara: Night Chip! Behave! OWC Mars: Thanks for coming out! TAMirabile: Night Chip night Percy JDipale: bye Chip Techyo: Who'd you chortle, Shadow? Shadowjakk: We're a bit tired. Sorry for the paucity of intelligent questions on our part. :/ Darkomik77: I chuckle & chortle all the time meself JDipale: ::::getting dictionary::::: Araiused: LOL, JD TAMirabile: I was asked today if a chortle is like a guffaw Darkomik77: sometimes I would heckle as well Araiused: Is like a choked guffaw, TAM BLR WIZ: Try some WD-40, Dark ;) Darkomik77: hehehe PN Elrod 2: a guffaw is more explosive, chortles go on and on Gandalara: A chortle is an evil chuckle Techyo: It's a guffaw that gets stuck. Techyo: TMTA, Ara Araiused: LOL, Tech TAMirabile: I said quieter and with a giggle JDipale: well, I must be going now. Have a good evening everyone Araiused: A chortle ain't a giggle. PN Elrod 2: I associate "chortle" with the Hardy Boys. they did it a lot. Darkomik77: I snicker as well Techyo: Night, JD! Gandalara: Night JD! Araiused: Goodnight, JD TAMirabile: Night, JD T83BIRD: Gand, another version of that one: A chortle is a cross between a Horta and a Turtle. OWC Mars: Night JD Shadowjakk: You can find an excellent use of "chortled" in context in "Jabberwocky". Gandalara: Oy T83BIRD: Nite JD TAMirabile: lol maybe evil giggle Darkomik77: adieu jd STARMOM79: Well, I totally forgot he was going to be here tonight, I'm glad I didn't open with anything stupid Techyo: ROFL, Star. Darkomik77: how 'bout a nyuk nyuk nyuk? Shadowjakk: "He chortled in his joy..." It means gardening with no pants. BLR WIZ: I thought he was going to be here for 2 hours. Gandalara: LOLOL TAMirabile: LOL BLR WIZ: Then I got punted. Shadowjakk: That's in the other timeline, BLR. PN Elrod 2: Shadow--sounds like Michael Jackson's hobby OWC Mars: LOL...and folks... next week, you can practice at showing up with OWC Mars: your questions in your pockets...because... Techyo: didn't chortaling in the old days get you in trouble? BLR WIZ: LOL OWC Mars: Next Week: Thursday, October 11, at 10 pm Eastern Time, Raechel OWC Mars: Henderson Moon - Publisher/Editor of Jintsu E-Texts will be online to OWC Mars: answer your questions! Learn more at OWC Mars: http://www.cybling.com/artists/jackhammer.html Techyo: Illigal or something. OWC Mars: I'm assuming that some of you have or will soon try to publish? Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 14] 10/4/01 10:10 PM Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 14] 10/4/01 10:10 PM OnlineHost: *** You are in "Other Worlds SF Chat". *** PN Elrod 2: LOL tech Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 14] 10/4/01 10:10 PM Darkomik77: wb mars TAMirabile: I thought boos fit just fine in that sentence. Gandalara: Yay STAR! Shadowjakk: We do, PN. We'll have to arrange a date. OWC Mars: Damn...hate when I freeze like that. T83BIRD: wb Mars PN Elrod 2: Just send me the word. OWC Mars: Star...did you just say you published something? Darkomik77: (sends PN a word) Shadowjakk: Will do. We'll talk this week. OWC Mars: My screen froze. Darkomik77: there's a word PN Elrod 2: Harry and I got the same publisher Techyo: So if online is hadaze then..... OWC Mars: Cool....Del Rey? PN Elrod 2: Baen OWC Mars: Oh, extra Cool. Athanor IX: I will probably never publish anything. Techyo: Baen there read that. Techyo: Hehehehehe STARMOM79: I said I wrote something, but it isn't published yet Shadowjakk: LOL OWC Mars: Now don't be down in the mouth Ath. TAMirabile: LOL Darkomik77: I'm too busy trying to send my short stories to mags PN Elrod 2: Last time I saw him we were all at same con, him, me and Jim Baen PN Elrod 2: I kept ducking Baen and pretending that I was writing instead of hanging in the bar Darkomik77: that just have probs accepting them Athanor IX: Likewise, I will never quarterback the Browns to victory in the Super Bowl. FIJAGDH: Censored again, Dark? OWC Mars: What you need to do is pop by here next week with your quetions then Dark and Star. Araiused: bak Gandalara: LOL Ath Techyo: Baen and Bean what confusion. Shadowjakk: He's the Baen of your existence, eh...PN? OWC Mars: Raechel gives great advice. Araiused: Great, STAR! Darkomik77: Not yet fij OWC Mars: LOL, PN, I'd heard that sort of thing happens a lot at Cons. PN Elrod 2: short stories are very difficult Shadowjakk: It's debatable whether anyone will, Ath. Techyo: ROFL, Shadow Araiused: sorry, distracted, season premiere of Charmed PN Elrod 2: yeah, we sit in the bar and b****h about our editors Darkomik77: If the FBI comes knocking on my door concerning one of my stories then I'll let you know Gandalara: Ack!! OWC Mars: And the opposite as well. Would be writers FIJAGDH: LOL Shadow Zing!! OWC Mars: forgetting themselves and tackling publishers at r OWC Mars: conventions happens as well.I Athanor IX: ::looks for his Art Modell effigy:: OWC Mars: Or so I've heard. STARMOM79: OK, I really need to get going so you can all be there when I get my Hugo Gandalara: (Thanks, Ara!) OWC Mars: Yes you do Star. TAMirabile: Yayyyyy STAR Techyo: Folks I must go. Goodnight! Parting is such sweet (OK Now I'm making me ill) T83BIRD: Nite Tech Gandalara: Nighters, Tech :) OWC Mars: Tech... good to see you! STARMOM79: Nite Tech TAMirabile: Night Tech Araiused: Nite, Tech Shadowjakk: Effigy in Cleveland, bronze statue in Baltimore. What a difference a state makes. Darkomik77: see ya tech Araiused: See ya, STAR Shadowjakk: Night, Techyo. FIJAGDH: G'night Tech :::looking for Marge Schott blowup doll::: Darkomik77: I'll try & kidnap a Hugo TAMirabile: Night STAR Darkomik77: & hold it for ransom STARMOM79: I'm not going from here, I meant get going on my writing PN Elrod 2: I need to come to this room more often. Ya'll is a friendly lot. Araiused: Ooops, STAR TAMirabile: ooooooopps sorry :x OWC Mars: Yes, that's what I thought you meant Starmom. OWC Mars: Yes we are. Damnedly friendly. STARMOM79: Well, people started saying goodnight OWC Mars: And cute too. Darkomik77: lol fij Darkomik77: yo rowr T83BIRD: Hi Rowr STARMOM79: And we're cute, too Gandalara: Hi Rowr. Ya missed him. Shadowjakk: Hi Rowr. You missed Turtledove. OWC Mars: Hi Rowr...good to see ya. STARMOM79: Hi Rowr PN Elrod 2: A hugo? let's all burglarize Lois Bujold's house then! TAMirabile: Hi, Rowr! Shadowjakk: I figured you'd be front-and-center tonight. TAMirabile: Or Connie Willis' Darkomik77: yeh PN, hold them for ransom Darkomik77: till we get published OWC Mars: Folks...the log of the chat here in the O*W*C will be in the log area here... PN Elrod 2: I think she's using her for coffe table legs OWC Mars: but in the meantime, the questions and answers as they appeared over in Cybling... OWC Mars: will show up over there in a couple of days. RowrBasil: aw heck..i missed him? BLR WIZ: I must be gong, night all. PN Elrod 2: she said she put one on the kitchen window, but it never made dishwashing go faster Darkomik77: yup rowr OWC Mars: And if you have a question you think.. T83BIRD: Nite BLR OWC Mars: nith Wiz. Darkomik77: see ya blr Shadowjakk: Good job, Mars. The transfers went very smoothly. TAMirabile: Night BLR OWC Mars: He may have answered before....you can search the database there. STARMOM79: Nite BLR RowrBasil: well, i was tired..got in from therapist, and watching buffy rerun.. OWC Mars: Actually Shadow...this was the first of these chats... OWC Mars: nd I believe it will be smoother next time, but thank you. TAMirabile: I agree with Tech, you should not try this at home. PN Elrod 2: <~~has a thing for Giles. Wishes he'd come get it. Shadowjakk: From here, it looked good. Darkomik77: I'm looking forward to watching more of Samurai Jack tomorrow night RowrBasil: admirable idea, PN.. PN Elrod 2: I'm a sucker for a Brit accent. He'd love it. Gandalara: Hi BG! Darkomik77: yo bg TAMirabile: Hi, BG OWC Mars: Hi BG! T83BIRD: Hey BG OWC Mars: Good to see you this evening. RowrBasil: speaking of things british, PN...ever hear of a writer named Adam Diment? BG1818: hello Gandalara, Darkomik, Tamirabile,OWC Mars, T83Bird, and everybody else! Shadowjakk: Oh...I thought you were talking about Giles Goat Shadowjakk: Boy. I wondered how Barth got into the conversation. OWC Mars: :::squinting eyes::: I haven't if PN has. BG1818: How are y'all this evening? PN Elrod 2: Row--nope, sorry TAMirabile: I have to get to bed Good night OWC Mars: Who is Adam Diment...what type of SF does he write? RowrBasil: 'the dolly dolly spy' 'the great spy race' 'the bang bang birds' OWC Mars: Goodnight TAM. OWC Mars: hanks. Araiused: Hi, BG! Gandalara: Night TAM! T83BIRD: Nite TAM BG1818: Good night Tamirabli Araiused: G'nite, TAM PN Elrod 2: nope, last book I cracked was Harry Potter BG1818: Hello Araiused Darkomik77: oh that, rowr, T83BIRD: Nite Stacey RowrBasil: OWC..he writes, well, wrote..in 60s.. about a modish brit spy.. Darkomik77: that looks familiar PN Elrod 2: and non-fiction research stuff STARMOM79: Nite Stacy STARMOM79: Nite Tam RowrBasil: who seems damnably familiar to any austin powers fan later on.. Darkomik77: see ya stac tam BG1818: Yeah it does sound fimiliar doesn't it. RowrBasil: makes me wonder what mike myers was reading.. Darkomik77: Bang Bang Girls? hmmmm BG1818: Or his father. He supposedly created that character based on one his father did in the 60's. Darkomik77: Ian Fleming? BG1818: Wha is a Bang Bang Girls? PN Elrod 2: Fleming was 50's RowrBasil: Dark..no,more of the spy spoof mode.. OWC Mars: Bang bang girls? OWC Mars: Goodness gracious. PN Elrod 2: they were the direct descendants of the pulp magazine stories BG1818: Not a term I'm fimiliar with. PN Elrod 2: that you had to buy under the counter Darkomik77: I oughta get a hold of that copy RowrBasil: the title of one of the novels.. PN Elrod 2: very tame now a days Darkomik77: that sounds like fun Darkomik77: he still in print rowr? PN Elrod 2: what gave grand-dad a thrill only makes us laugh now RowrBasil: Diment's been out of print since 1971, i suspect.. OWC Mars: So...before Harry Turtledove I didn't get into OWC Mars: Alternate History. Can you folks suggest anyone OWC Mars: else I might read? BG1818: Any relationship to women in the torpedo bars on the front of the SF pulps? T83BIRD: If in any way my question to Doctor Turtledove was embarrassing for the room, I apologize. STARMOM79: 1632 Athanor IX: Pavane by Keith Roberts. Gandalara: Stirling's Island series, Mars Shadowjakk: Sure...PKD THE MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE, Ward Moore, BRING THE JUBILEE OWC Mars: Dpm RowrBasil: t83..you asked about that 8mm film of the sheep, the copper tubing, and the carmen miranda outfit? Athanor IX: I missed an embarassing question. OWC Mars: Ooops...don't worry about it T8. PN Elrod 2: OWC, look him up on Amazon and check out their recommended books at the bottom OWC Mars: Rowr!!!! OWC Mars: LOLOLOL Shadowjakk: A recent one I liked was McAuley's PASQUALE'S ANGEL. PN Elrod 2: they have that "If you like this writer, you might like...." Athanor IX: Second on Bring the Jubilee. RowrBasil: Still fond of a minor alternative idea.. Athanor IX: What was this embarassing question? OWC Mars: My goodness. That should keep me reading for the next couple of months! BG1818: Well, time for me to go to bed. I just thought I'd check in and see what was happening. OWC Mars: Ath...you'll see it in the log. PN Elrod 2: The costume shop called. They want the sheep back. T83BIRD: Nite BG OWC Mars: BG...thanks! Gandalara: Night BG! Shadowjakk: In the McAuley, The Armada trounces England, but is later beaten by the Florentine navy. BG1818: So good night all. Take care! BYE! RowrBasil: if a certain wisconsin senator had decided on a different campaign issue..not Red-Hunting, but medical care.. Darkomik77: see ya bg RowrBasil: Joe McCarthy, father of National Health Care.. PN Elrod 2: What am I thinking, Norman Spinrad's THE IRON DREAM Shadowjakk: So...the Americas become part of the Florentine trade empire. PN Elrod 2: hitler moves to the US and becomes an SF writer OWC Mars: I personally hold you all responsible for the major OWC Mars: purchases I've made on eBay of the entire HeeChee OWC Mars: series by Pohl, btw. PN Elrod 2: it's banned in Germany Darkomik77: NS also did Four Americas OWC Mars: So now you're sending me off on another buying spree I see. Athanor IX: The Iron Dream ruined D&D for me. PN Elrod 2: IRON DREAM was very scary Gandalara: Join the crowd, Mars :) STARMOM79: Nite all, I'm turning in now Darkomik77: Kim Stanley Robinson also did three Orange County books RowrBasil: PN..it's banned,not banned, then banned..sometimes in germany it is sold under the counter OWC Mars: Was that the one "Iron Dream" with Hitler as a hell's angel? T83BIRD: Nite STAR Gandalara: Night STAR! RowrBasil: like condoms in the 1950s.. Shadowjakk: It's really not AH, though...it's a fantasy written by a PN Elrod 2: I know, in his novels Hitler mass kills mutants instead of Jews Shadowjakk: character in a AH milieu. THE IRON DREAM, that is. OWC Mars: Nite Star. OWC Mars: Ooops...missed her. Darkomik77: see ya star PN Elrod 2: They should make up their minds Row! RowrBasil: Hitler WAS one of hell's angels.. OWC Mars: Yeah, I read that one. Gave me the creaps. OWC Mars: and the creeps too. Shadowjakk: Hitler was a skiffy writer in a AH Germany. PN Elrod 2: I read it 15 years back and it still makes me shudder T83BIRD: I have some trouble linking the word angel with Hitler. Darkomik77: in reality, Hitler is a failed writer Darkomik77: except for Mein Kampf OWC Mars: I thought he was a failed watercolor artist. PN Elrod 2: that too Darkomik77: that too mars PN Elrod 2: ok, boys, fail at writing? go into politics and become a dictator OWC Mars: Matter of fact, he botched the Reich thing, when you think about it. PN Elrod 2: or a TV evangelist. more money in it T83BIRD: He did indeed, Mars, but he was only a corporal. Shadowjakk: It made me shudder, too. Spinrad used the word "truncheon" 456 times in TID. :/ RowrBasil: or found a cult for hollywood actors.. Athanor IX: You counted? OWC Mars: I was thinking that Ath, just didn't say it. Shadowjakk: I estimated. PN Elrod 2: gawd OWC Mars: LOLOLOL RowrBasil: well...on a slow night, gotta do something.. Gandalara: Time for me to go .. Thanks Mars! Night all! OWC Mars: :::thwaps Shadowjak with the red satin pillow::: T83BIRD: Nite Gand OWC Mars: Night Gand, thanks! Shadowjakk: 1.3 times per page, based on the paperback edition. PN Elrod 2: I thought I had too much time on my hands when I made that TARDIS Darkomik77: see ya gand T83BIRD: Must leave also. Thanks Mars. It was interesting, anyway. Nite all. Darkomik77: kablooey Athanor IX: I should find a copy of the Timescape edition. Shadowjakk: Night, Dark. Darkomik77: see ya t OWC Mars: T8, thanks for coming out. Darkomik77: I'm not going anywhere shadow Darkomik77: it's just a parting shot for gand Araiused: Nite, Gand, T Shadowjakk: Oh well...stay then. See if I care. :) OWC Mars: LOL. OWC Mars: Shadow and Dark trading quips. Do we need a light here? OWC Mars: 8^7 Darkomik77: hmmm Darkomik77: I'll bet you do shadow PN Elrod 2: ::thinks real hard and a 40 Watt bulb appears over her head:: OUCHIE! PN Elrod 2: I hate when that happens Shadowjakk: Hi Patt. Patterner: Hi folks! Darkomik77: yo patt OWC Mars: LOL OWC Mars: Hi Patt! Darkomik77: just missed him patt Patterner: Hi Ath! Hi Rowr! Hi PN! Hi Ara! Hi Shadow! Patterner: Hi Dark! Hi Mars! Patterner: Just missed who? Darkomik77: if yer wondering about Turtledove OWC Mars: Here's a question for you folks...I'm sure you've read good AH stories and bad ones... OWC Mars: what do you think makes the difference? OWC Mars: What makes a good AH, good? Darkomik77: haven't read any AH stories yet OWC Mars: AH - Alternate History. Patterner: Oh, forgot he was coming. :) Darkomik77: unless you count Sir Walter Scott as one of them PN Elrod 2: Cripes, I thot of another AH--the Randall Garrett Murder and Magic series Patterner: There's no such thing as a good AH story. Just Patterner: as well I forgot, hmm? PN Elrod 2: S/F book club had them in one volume for a while OWC Mars: Thank you PN. Shadowjakk: That's some old stuff. PN Elrod 2: gawd, those were great! OWC Mars: Like the anthology Turtledove just edited, PN? PN Elrod 2: Wonderful premise: What if Laws of Magic were discovered and codified during Richard Lionhearts reign Darkomik77: I think Sir Walter Scott is an AH writer cuz he took liberties with the facts in Scottish history PN Elrod 2: Donno OWC, I missed that ont OWC Mars: The Best Alternate History Stories of the Twentieth Century, (Editor)(10/01). Shadowjakk: The reason that AH is such a difficult genre to sell, Shadowjakk: on some levels, is the need for the reader to be Shadowjakk: conversant with the history being altered. OWC Mars: It just hit the shelves this week PN. Athanor IX: I want to see an AH based on an industrial revolution in 1st century Alexandria. PN Elrod 2: Ah, should grab it, but no time to read Darkomik77: Red Gauntlet immediately springs to mind PN Elrod 2: But a good writer makes the basic history a given in the narrative OWC Mars: Now that's interesting Ath. The novel that PN mentioned. 1632, was it PN? PN Elrod 2: like we all know who won civil war, but if the south had AK-47s... Darkomik77: who cares if the reader knows history or not just that he's having fun PN Elrod 2: OWc--no, Randall Garrett's Lord Darcy series Darkomik77: reading his stuff PN Elrod 2: it's set in England about 1960's Shadowjakk: Small audience for that, Ath. Some readers would find it Cleopatronizing. Araiused: Hi, patt :) PN Elrod 2: but they have magic instead of tech Araiused: Eeew, Shadow PN Elrod 2: they're only just now experimenting with this weird electricity stuff PN Elrod 2: brilliant books OWC Mars: Oh.. okay. I was just thinking of that one novel that OWC Mars: came out a couple of years ago when a group of US ut OWC Mars: minors somehow gets transported back to the Darkomik77: yeh shadow, if we should find her in Julius strips OWC Mars: 1600s in Germany and introduces trade unions. Shadowjakk: Blaylock did some interesting stuf there, too. as did Powers in THE ANUBIS GATES. PN Elrod 2: take off on Sherlock Holmes OWC Mars: But I suppose that would be more fantasy than AH. Shadowjakk: On the Victorian front. PN Elrod 2: Lord Darcy if Holmes and Master Sean the wizard is Watson Shadowjakk: Oh, I have a AH novel right up your alley, Mars...if you haven't already read it. Araiused: Ah, the Lord Darcy books PN Elrod 2: but they are in a parrallell 1960's England OWC Mars: Interesting, I'll really have to look for that PN. I've OWC Mars: learned a new respect for Fantasy lately. PN Elrod 2: carriages have pneumatic tires OWC Mars: What is that Shadow? Araiused: Mars, read Robert Holdstock's books. PN Elrod 2: and they have good relations with Emperor Moctazuma the 17th of the new world Araiused: Excellent urban fantasy. Shadowjakk: ANNO DRACULA, by Kim Newman...Victoria is Shadowjakk: slowly seduced by Vlad, and he becomes Regent of Shadowjakk: England. Some changes in Victorian culture ensue. OWC Mars: Oh goodness gracious. Shadow, you *do* know me. Darkomik77: yeh shadow, guess who's the Red Baron? Shadowjakk: LOL Darkomik77: coitainly not Snoopy PN Elrod 2: I was halfway thinking of doing a parallel history myself, but the research required is more than I want to deal with! OWC Mars: And Ara, I *will* look into Holdstock. I like urban stories. OWC Mars: Yes, research for Alternate Histories can be daunting. Araiused: brb - end of commercial :) RowrBasil: Dark..there was even one set in 1956 in the Anno Dracula timeline.. RowrBasil: i believe a british agent named bond made an appearance.. PN Elrod 2: hmm, there must be a diff between A-H and parallel worlding. Darkomik77: worlding? Darkomik77: another word added to the lexicon PN Elrod 2: to make my premise work, I need a parallel London OWC Mars: I think there is PN, but it's one of those things... PN Elrod 2: gawd, now my brain hurts OWC Mars: that causes fisticuffs at conventions, I believe. PN Elrod 2: guess I'll just ave to fake it Shadowjakk: And there are several books in Keyes' NEWTON'S CANNON milieu, too. Darkomik77: along with spave & hu & glinding PN Elrod 2: I never fight at cons. Except to get to the bar or dance Shadowjakk: And Aldiss' FRANKENSTEIN UNBOUND is AH, too. Darkomik77: neither do I PN PN Elrod 2: or both OWC Mars: Well you know what I mean...not actual fists flying...but very heated discussions. Darkomik77: yo sus Shadowjakk: But DRACULA UNBOUND sucks, in the unflattering, non-vampire sense. PN Elrod 2: I had enough of those when I was married ! OWC Mars: Like when a guy in a cape and a guy with a ray gun start discussing who's genre is better. PN Elrod 2: LOL PN Elrod 2: I've seen those! OWC Mars: LOL Shadow. PN Elrod 2: Now you know why the writers all hang in the bar! Shadowjakk: Does the ray-gun work? Susan1136: Hey, Dark.. whoops Athanor IX: But the guy in the cape might have a working sword... Shadowjakk: If so, that guy's right. Susan1136: I forgot I'm on the other sn tonight.. it's Scanner here, guys OWC Mars: Not at a convention Shadowjakk. OWC Mars: You know there's a ban on real weapons at cons. Shadowjakk: Hi Scanner. Darkomik77: yo scans OWC Mars: Hi susan! PN Elrod 2: we won't be seing many weapons at future cons I think OWC Mars: Afraid not. Not even toys. PN Elrod 2: even the fake ones will give the hotel security guys the hives Darkomik77: scans, yer just as bad as Cornelius in Moorcock books Susan1136: I don't think MilPhil allowed any weapons, real or fake... i didn't see a one Susan1136: HAH Dark Shadowjakk: Because of the "jerry-rigged" name, Dark? PN Elrod 2: better to go dressed as Jessica Rabbit. Then you ARE a weapon. OWC Mars: But you know, I have a feeling that if the mundanes OWC Mars: had any idea what we were up to at conventions OWC Mars: they would have been after us with pitchforks and OWC Mars: torches a long time ago. Darkomik77: sigh, why security geeks get the heebie jeebies 'bout fake weapons PN Elrod 2: they're just jealous cause we have more fun OWC Mars: Because it's better safe than sorry Dark. Darkomik77: they gonna ban the fake one & we keep the real ones? Susan1136: Did you guys discuss the reason why there are no more Disclave cons? PN Elrod 2: yeah PN Elrod 2: I'm not comfortable with some of the fans who have weapons, even fake ones OWC Mars: No, I didn't know about that Susan. What were the Disclave cons? Darkomik77: Disclave cons? Susan1136: Neither am I... Susan1136: it can get very scary PN Elrod 2: like some guy tried to scare me by flashing his fangs. It didn't work OWC Mars: Perhaps he wasn't trying to frighten you PN. PN Elrod 2: I don't want him doing that to some hyper hotel security guard type Darkomik77: I have no probs with fanboys & fangirls so long as they don't wave their weapons around Susan1136: Disclave were in the Washington DC area... OWC Mars: Ah...has it been cancelled? Susan1136: one year a bunch of S&M and bondage people showed up, PN Elrod 2: OWC--he was trying. But I was married to a psychotic at the time, so it didn't work. Susan1136: they were NOT fans... OWC Mars: Oh. Susan1136: but they heard they wouldn't be bothered there PN Elrod 2: LOL sus! Susan1136: unfortunately, they were "doing their thing" in one of the rooms Susan1136: and caused a flood of some kind PN Elrod 2: I know at the S.F. world con the hookers outside the hotel were unhappy Darkomik77: I can imagine scans Susan1136: So, since then, no more Disclaves... none of the hotels would book the con OWC Mars: Well you see that's a problem that's hard to control. PN Elrod 2: they saw all the skimpy outfits girls wore for costume parade OWC Mars: I know that some fan cons control it by limiting the OWC Mars: number of attendees. Darkomik77: whip! snap! aargh! PN Elrod 2: and thot con had brought their OWN hookers! Susan1136: Now, Pat, that's pretty funny... Susan1136: LOL OWC Mars: For instance WindyCon has a strict number of attendees...and they fill the hotel. PN Elrod 2: they also found out the fans spent all ther money in the dealers room Susan1136: I was going to say something terribly unkind about easily aroused male fans, Darkomik77: behind closed doors that is Susan1136: but I won't Darkomik77: can be overheard by anybody coming by Patterner: Hi Susan! Susan1136: Oh, I just got the earrings that Janet Kofed made for me...they are gorgeous Susan1136: Hey, Patterner... talk to Ellen D lately? Susan1136: Query: Is Kit Reed male or female? Patterner: I saw her at MilPhil. Darkomik77: yo rho OWC Mars: So, even though Windycon could attract more fans, PN Elrod 2: Susan--where can I find one of them? OWC Mars: they don't. That way they keep the mudnanes out. RhoadKyll2: yo Darkomik77: scans, female Susan1136: Pat, one of what? an easily aroused male fan? LOL OWC Mars: Hey Rhoad...good to see you. Patterner: I went to Capclave this weekend -- the consuite Patterner: ceiling leaked, but it was a toilet two floors up, Patterner: not one of our rooms. Still, we were worried Patterner: for a bit. Patterner: Hi Rhoad! PN Elrod 2: yeah--I ain't had any in ages! Araiused: Bak for a sec Susan1136: LOL Araiused: Hi, Rhoad Susan1136: well, you can have my ex if you want... he needs a place to stay for a while! PN Elrod 2: I got a con in November, but have a roomie. No action there. Patterner: Janet has a website, but I don't know where I Patterner: put her card. Susan1136: Phooey... which con? Darkomik77: nah, scans, I'll pass PN Elrod 2: UncommonCon in Dallas. I'm guesting Darkomik77: it's bad enough with extra people in my apt PN Elrod 2: but the guy running it thinks I'm an E-writer! LOL OWC Mars: Cool...sounds like a good time. Susan1136: Cool... Oh, btw, I noticed that George RR has changed his AOL profile slightly OWC Mars: Tell you what PN... Susan1136: since he got home from MilPhil, he changed his marital status to "Married" OWC Mars: be sure to drop by next thursday for the chat with Raechel Moon. Susan1136: I guess Susan got on him about that! LOL PN Elrod 2: The last one I did for him someone in the E-writing panel was supposed to have complained to him about me! LOL Darkomik77: e-writer? Susan1136: LOL Darkomik77: if yer an e-writer then I'm an e-poet PN Elrod 2: Some e-writer I never heard of wrote me about it, said that my comments on the industry offended everyone there PN Elrod 2: that's what panels are for, to upset people! Susan1136: aw, geez, you offended someone! Good for you. Araiused: afk PN Elrod 2: so this chick starts telling me to stop saying such mean things Darkomik77: not to mention e-mickey mouse Susan1136: HAH! They should show up at some of the NY fan gatherings! Susan1136: They don't KNOW what mean is! PN Elrod 2: I looked up her stuff. Now I know why she's an e-writer. OWC Mars: Now you guys are being too hard on eText. PN Elrod 2: no way would anyone PAY to read her stuff OWC Mars: I'll have you know that I've read some stuff in eText OWC Mars: format that's coming out today...that is damned OWC Mars: good. Darkomik77: tell you what PN, if you get an invitation from Politically Incorrect with Bill Mahr take it! OWC Mars: And I'll be very happy to direct you to it too. OWC Mars: As a matter of fact, I have some guest coming out OWC Mars: here on Thursdays in the future and they have OWC Mars: excerpts of their work online you should check out. Patterner: Susan, you're wrong about Dripclave. It was a Patterner: NY cop who wasn't a member, but heard about Patterner: the BDSM floor, who came down and tied his Patterner: partner to the sprinkler in the room. It Patterner: collapsed and flooded the bottom three floors. PN Elrod 2: so I reminded her the 1st Amendment was still in the constitution and told her to stop writing me. PN Elrod 2: If her bud at the panel had a problem with me he/she could talk to me direct about it Patterner: The hotels considered Disclave an attractive Patterner: nuisance and wouldn't rent to them until this Patterner: year, with a new name. Susan1136: Ah, okay, Patterner. That was the story I heard from people who had attended. They were not happy, because they are DC - VA area fans. PN Elrod 2: OWC, no doubt, but this writer wasn't what I would call por level Shadowjakk: There's good stuff and bad stuff in any milieu. The Shadowjakk: publishing bottleneck tends to minimize it Shadowjakk: *somewhat* in book publishing, though. PN Elrod 2: pro level Patterner: Well, that's why we had Capclave last weekend. Patterner: I thought it went pretty well. Darkomik77: PN, sure, not pro level, just por level OWC Mars: Matter of fact, I used to think that all fantasy was OWC Mars: drivel until I started reading some of the eText OWC Mars: fantasy work. Darkomik77: I mean poor level Susan1136: Yeah, the people I spoke to said they enjoyed themselves... small program, about 300 people in attendance. PN Elrod 2: in each of her sample 1st chapters the hero is whacked unconscious at the end PN Elrod 2: she managed to do that 4-5 times PN Elrod 2: on dif heros Susan1136: LOL... OWC Mars: Sounds like a good story for tomorrow night's chat...on dark humor in the genres. Patterner: Really? I would have guessed about 120. Patterner: Maybe I just kept seeing the same people. Susan1136: Well, I've never been a writer, just proofreader and that sort, but I came up with a line for a story. Shadowjakk: You counted, PN? Not as impressive as Darkomik77: I've read better ones on the Net Shadowjakk: "truncheon", but there's still some serious repetition Patterner: I didn't get to any programming, but I had a Shadowjakk: goin' on there. Patterner: great time. PN Elrod 2: I used to do that, but only when I was in Jr High and couldn't think how to change a scene PN Elrod 2: LOL shadow OWC Mars: LOL, Shadowjakk. OWC Mars: I was about to mention that there's a lot of serious "counting" going on tonight. Susan1136: Yikes... when we all read slush in the 70s, we would read the first page and the last page Susan1136: if we could guess the ending, we sent it back PN Elrod 2: what's scarey is she's considered a "good" e-writer PN Elrod 2: anyone ever crack the samples posted on iUniverse? (shuddering:: OWC Mars: Folks... let me remind you again about tomorrow and next week. OWC Mars: FRIDAY, OCT 5, 10pm-12am ET -- OWC Mars: There's a time and place for everything. Or OWC Mars: is there? Does humor have a place in OWC Mars: modern science fiction? Can there ever be OWC Mars: too much? Can it ever be too sick or black? OWC Mars: Join HOST EBK Astra to chortle about OWC Mars: Parody, Pastiche and Humor! OWC Mars: Next Week: Thursday, October 11, at 10 pm OWC Mars: Eastern Time, Raechel Henderson Moon - OWC Mars: Publisher/Editor of Jintsu E-Texts will be online to OWC Mars: answer your questions! Learn more at OWC Mars: http://www.cybling.com/artists/jackhammer.html Darkomik77: not to mention heckling mars OWC Mars: Folks, it's been swell meeting all of you... some for the first time. Shadowjakk: Good one, Mars! Shadowjakk: Thanks! PN Elrod 2: Now I would consider having an e-book, but only to get a previously sold book back in front of buyers PN Elrod 2: lot of romance writers are doing that for their out of print books Araiused: Thank, Mars! Darkomik77: great idea PN OWC Mars: Thank you all! Now please feel free to stay and chat! See you all soon! Susan1136: bye Mars Araiused: I've to go too, Goodnight, all! Darkomik77: see yas Patterner: Thanks, Mars! Good chat! Araiused: See ya soon! Patterner: See y'all tomorrow! Darkomik77: I'm going now shadow Darkomik77: see ya PN Elrod 2: but please don't fall for the "double digit" royalties they promise OWC Mars: :::picks up her longs skirts and skeedaddles.:::: Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 7] 10/4/01 10:59 PM