***The opinions expressed in this file are not necessarily those of the Other*Worlds*Cafe or America Online.*** HOST EBK Astra: ****JDipale, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** HOST EBK Astra: I have extra collars, Dave :-) KNITEMARE87: [{{{{{{{{JD}}}}}}}}}}} NINLILA: DaveKuz: I'd give it a 73. HOST EBK Astra: Hey, JD! SF Allen Steele: I'm in Massachusetts. Nothing is more confused than this state. HOST EBK Mars: That can be dangerous Allen. JDipale: Hi all, Hi Mr. Steele. It was a Pleasure to meet you at Con Jose! NINLILA: Mark: Got myself back to a basic nondigitized state. NINLILA: Mark: Hi, it's me. As opposed to not. SF Allen Steele: Hi, JD. Welcome to the State of Confusion. HOST EBK Mars: You will see that deft punt I just employed, gentlefolks.... NINLILA: Mark: Oui, mam'selle NINLILA: DaveKuz: Gosh, he's in orbit! HOST EBK Mars: If at anytime anyone gives you grief Mr. Steele just let me know. Astra has whips, I have HOST EBK Mars: a cast iron skillet. lol. JDipale: Ah, state of confusion, I should fit right in here SF Allen Steele: We did? I'll take your word for it, but it was a long weekend. HOST EBK Astra: ****E cat s, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** NINLILA: DaveKuz: What, no ornamental tourist pillows with tassels tonight? HOST EBK Mars: No Dave, not when we have a special guest. Ornamental pillows are for gentle persuasion. SF Allen Steele: By the way, call me Allen, please. HOST EBK Mars: I certainly will. HOST EBK Astra: ****PMSallume, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** SF Allen Steele: How did we meet, JD? JDipale: I took a photo of you and Jan HOST EBK Astra: And me JDipale: Then Got you to take a photo with me NINLILA: --- 1 KNITEMARE87: Hey granny KNITEMARE87: AFK HOST EBK Astra: It was at the panel with Robert Sawyer SF Allen Steele: Jan packs a lot more than that, I assure you. JDipale: Interesting Panel NINLILA: DaveKuz: gosh, Allen's so dangerous, Jan has to pack a skillet! SF Allen Steele: Ah-ha! Now I recall! Good to see you again. JDipale: HA!!! HOST EBK Mars: LOLOLOLOL, Mark. JDipale: Yeah, I know you remember everyone JDipale: :-D NINLILA: Mark: That's a formality...Allen used to mudwrestle giant gila monsters for winter sport, NINLILA: he can take care of himself. HOST EBK Mars: Okay folks...we're having a chat tonight with Allen Steele, Hugo Award Winning Author... SF Allen Steele: Yeah, in winter they're nice and slow. HOST EBK Mars: Allen currently has a new novel out... COYOTE... his first step out of our solar HOST EBK Mars: system...fictionally. HOST EBK Astra: ****OldWolfGaidin, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** OldWolfGaidin: Evening, Host Astra :-) NINLILA: DaveKuz: I knew I could restore your memories! NINLILA: Mark: And hungry HOST EBK Mars: Please send your questions to Astra in the OWC and to me here in Cybling... HOST EBK Mars: So that we can keep the confusion to a minimum. Allen can only be with us for an hour. JDipale: Wow, Astra, you sure love those "*" today :) SF Allen Steele: Yeah, I'm still working on that backyard spaceship. HOST EBK Astra: Ninlila does, JD :) HOST EBK Mars: Allen...ready for quetion one? HOST EBK Astra: Coyote ROCKS. NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: I have a radio interview bright and early tomorrow morning...yes, Jan, fire away. HOST EBK Mars: Okay.. Astra: Allen - when will Coyote Part 2 be out? Do we have over a year's wait? NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: The next series of Coyote stories will begin showing up in "Asimov'sScience Fiction" SF Allen Steele: sometime next year... NINLILA: --- 3 SF Allen Steele: I don't have a publication date yet, but the first two stories have been sold... HOST EBK Astra: Guess I shouldn't let my subscription slip then SF Allen Steele: and they should be appearing soon, beginning with... KNITEMARE87: BAK SF Allen Steele: "The Mad Woman of Shuttlefield" and continuing with "Benjamin the Unbeliever"... SF Allen Steele: Two more stories have since been written and sent in, and I've just finished the rough SF Allen Steele: draft of the fifth one. Three more stories... NINLILA: Mark1: Grrrr...okay, once more with digits. SF Allen Steele: will follow those, and they'll comprise COYOTE RISING, the second book of the series. GA. HOST EBK Mars: Cool...so it will be serialized as Coyote was. question: were all of the stories in HOST EBK Mars: COYOTE first published in Asimov's? NINLILA: --- 2 NINLILA: --- 4 SF Allen Steele: All but one: Part Five, "The Boid Hunt," was the first one actually written. An early SF Allen Steele: version of it appeared in STAR COLONIES, a Daw anthology that came out two years ago. But SF Allen Steele: it has been substantially revised since then... NINLILA: that came out two years ago. But it has been substantially revised since then... SF Allen Steele: and in fact, most of the "Asimov's" stories were revised or expanded for the novel SF Allen Steele: version. SF Allen Steele: So COYOTE is sort of the "Director's Cut" of the series that appeared in Asimov's. NINLILA: Mark1: A hefty tome, too...it's the longest book you've done, isn't it? KNITEMARE87: Ack, Astra moofed SF Allen Steele: Yeah, Mark, COYOTE is the longest book I've yet written. And once I finish COYOTE RISING, SF Allen Steele: it'll be a two-volume epic. GA. HOST EBK Mars: I'm still here....so you can send your questions to me if you like. HOST EBK Mars: Thanks Allen. And here's the next question. Mark> Okay, I'll start with a serious HOST EBK Mars: question. Allen, Coyote is your first interstellar novel. Why'd it take you x many books HOST EBK Mars: to get out of the solar system? NINLILA: --- 2 HOST EBK Astra: Stupid wind!! SF Allen Steele: I had to figure out how to get people out of the solar system in a way that I could SF Allen Steele: believe myself... TAMirabile: Hi, Mars! Astra! E! JD! KNITE! OWG! Allen!! JDipale: Hi Host OldWolfGaidin: Hi, Tam :-) NINLILA: Why'd it take you x many books to get out of the solar system? JDipale: Weclome to OWC SF Allen Steele: I've had it in mind to write a realistic novel about interstellar travel for quite some SF Allen Steele: time.. E cat s: Hi Tam :) HOST EBK Astra: ****TAMirabile, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** SF Allen Steele: but I never could buy into the idea of FTL drives or warp drives.... NINLILA: --- 1 HOST EBK Astra: ****FIJAGDH, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** SF Allen Steele: so it took quite a long time for me to figure out how to do it. I had to wait for the SF Allen Steele: science to catch up, so to speak. GA. HOST EBK Mars: Next question: KNITEMARE87: What authors do you read? NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: As far as SF is concerned, I read mainly the classics. Heinlein, Sturgeon, Clement, SF Allen Steele: Asimov, etc.... NINLILA: --- 3 SF Allen Steele: I'm currently re-reading THE MOTE IN GOD'S EYE by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, and SF Allen Steele: next up is a small stack... NINLILA: --- 5 SF Allen Steele: of novels by the late Charles Sheffield... HOST EBK Astra: ****RowrBasil, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** HOST EBK Astra: Ooooh, Moties! SF Allen Steele: I keep up with new SF mainly through reading short fiction. As far as non-SF goes... NINLILA: Mark: Yes, it's me. I'm going to have a stern talk with this link in the morning. SF Allen Steele: lately I've been reading a lot of Mark Twain. I re-read... SF Allen Steele: HUCKLEBERRY FINN earlier this year, and now I'm reading ROUGHING IT... GA NINLILA: --- 1 HOST EBK Mars: Next question: OldWolfGaidin: Do you go back and revise a lot of your work? HOST EBK Astra: :: wondering why Allen seems to have more time to read than I do :: TAMirabile: Maybe he reads faster? ::::--========run:::: SF Allen Steele: I revised the Coyote stories for novel publication, but I've seldom revised my earlier SF Allen Steele: work (as tempting as it may be)... NINLILA: --- 1 NINLILA: Mark: He doesn't. He sleeps less. SF Allen Steele: the notable exception is my novella "The Weight," which I revised after its original SF Allen Steele: publication in England... HOST EBK Astra: LOL Mark SF Allen Steele: for reprinting in my last collection, SEX AND VIOLENCE IN ZERO-G. ... NINLILA: --- 2 SF Allen Steele: I was disappointed with the first version, and reworked it for American puiblication. GA HOST EBK Mars: This question relates back to a previous one: E cat s: What is your favorite non-fiction HOST EBK Mars: reading? NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: "The New Yorker". I read it every week. Best general magazine in America, in my humble SF Allen Steele: opinion.... NINLILA: --- 3 SF Allen Steele: And I also read a lot of science non-fiction, which for me is like SF: the stuff I read SF Allen Steele: for pleasure. GA HOST EBK Mars: Thanks a lot Allen! HOST EBK Mars: Okay...we have another question from Mark:... SF Allen Steele: You're welcome, Jan. Another question? NINLILA: --- 5 HOST EBK Mars: David Brin said that if we find out there's life out there, ... HOST EBK Mars: We'll go. Short of finding intelligent life to go visit, do ... NINLILA: --- 7 HOST EBK Mars: you think it's likely we'll go anyway? NINLILA: --- 9 SF Allen Steele: I think we'll have to. Our resources are running short, here on Earth. In this century, SF Allen Steele: we're going to have to find new sources of energy. ... NINLILA: Mark1: This happens again, I'll give up for tonight. SF Allen Steele: fossil fuels aren't going to keep us going forever. We *need* to exploit space resources SF Allen Steele: in order to maintain our standard of living... NINLILA: --- 2 SF Allen Steele: Also, there's not a lot of new frontiers left on this planet, and humankind has a strong, SF Allen Steele: innate urge to expand outward... SF Allen Steele: There's not much place left to go but upward and outward, really... TAMirabile: Now if our government just understood that NINLILA: --- 4 SF Allen Steele: So regardless of whether we find life on Mars or elsewhere, I think we're going to be SF Allen Steele: exploring space in this new century to a degree... SF Allen Steele: that will surprise even SF fans. GA NINLILA: --- 1 TAMirabile: I really hope you're right on that one. NINLILA: --- 3 HOST EBK Astra: ****MCaste2998, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** SF Allen Steele: I wrote about undersea exploration in my novel OCEANSPACE. Yes, that's a possible SF Allen Steele: frontier... but in the long term, oceanic exploration and development does not fulfill SF Allen Steele: some of the needs we'll have, particularly in terms of energy... NINLILA: development does not fulfill some of the needs we'll have, particularly in terms of NINLILA: energy... NINLILA: --- 2 SF Allen Steele: It's interesting, though, how much outer space and oceanspace tend to dovetail. A lot of SF Allen Steele: research in one area gets carried over to the other, and vice-versa. GA HOST EBK Mars: Thanks Allen...this next question is a long one... SF Allen Steele: Hydrogen development is one area, yes. NINLILA: Mark1: Europe is already investing heavily in hydrogen as new energy source--even B.P.'s NINLILA: new motto is 'Beyond Petroleum'--a lot of which will come SF Allen Steele: GA, Jan . NINLILA: from sea water. NINLILA: and vice-versa. GA HOST EBK Mars: DaveKuz> Short of sending large numbers of ... HOST EBK Mars: immigrants from the Earth to colonize other ... HOST EBK Mars: worlds, the only way to truly retain the standard of living is to reduce the HOST EBK Mars: population... HOST EBK Mars: because it would require a vast fleet in order to bring back enough resources for a HOST EBK Mars: population that continues to grow. NINLILA: AraIsHere: 'Lo HOST EBK Mars: because it would require a vast fleet in order to bring back enough resources for a HOST EBK Mars: population that continues to grow. NINLILA: AraIsHere: Cool, I am in SF General and here at the same time :0 HOST EBK Mars: Sorry about the double feed there folks. SF Allen Steele: The population will continue to grow, yes, and there'sno way we can send... SF Allen Steele: billions of people into space (or at least in the near term)... NINLILA: --- 2 HOST EBK Astra: ****SciFiDog, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** SciFiDog: woof! HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** FIJAGDH: :::mutters something unintelligible about panspermia:::: SF Allen Steele: But what we *can* do is develop space resources to supply energy to the population on SF Allen Steele: earth... NINLILA: --- 4 HOST EBK Astra: ****HOST EBK Shadow, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** NINLILA: Mark: I know, I know, but I was interested in that last response. HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** SF Allen Steele: In the near term, space solar-power systems are one way. There's been a lot of recent work SF Allen Steele: on that end that looks very promising... SF Allen Steele: And, if efficient fusion power systems are developed, then a likely source of ... NINLILA: AraIsHere: Hey, Sci and Figgy SF Allen Steele: helium-3 (a possible reactor fuel) is on the Moon, where it can be found in the lunar SF Allen Steele: regoliothj in great abundence.. NINLILA: Mark: There's current research in population demographics suggesting growth will level NINLILA: off at about 10 billion. Still a lot, but not a perpetual upward NINLILA: spiral. However, it will get interesting when most of those folks want Western level NINLILA: tech to support their standard of living. That's a lot of energy no NINLILA: matter where it comes from, SF Allen Steele: as opposed to here on Earth, where it is rather scarce. GA. HOST EBK Mars: TAMirabile: What do you think might break some of the space programs loose and get them HOST EBK Mars: moving better? NINLILA: --- 2 SF Allen Steele: The biggest hurdle right now is developing a reletively inexpensive means of getting into SF Allen Steele: orbit... NINLILA: AraIsHere: LOLOL NINLILA: Mark: I'm logging off before I get unceremoniously kicked off again. It's been fun. NINLILA: Talk to later, Allen. HOST EBK Astra: ****Shadowjakk, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** HOST EBK Astra: Yay, the right Shadow :-) SciFiDog: ( Yes. Currently, there are only inexpensive ways of getting into OBIT.) SciFiDog: :-D Shadowjakk: Stripped of all epaulettes and braid. SF Allen Steele: that is, a second-generation shuttle that costs only $1,000-per-pound to lift payload into SF Allen Steele: orbit... NINLILA: --- 2 SF Allen Steele: as opposed to the $10,000-per-pound it currently costs to send something up on the NASA SF Allen Steele: shuttles... SF Allen Steele: Most of this R&D on this is now being done by private industry rather than NASA... NINLILA: --- 1 NINLILA: --- 3 SF Allen Steele: and the work seems promising. However, these companies are underfunded, and some of the SF Allen Steele: efforts have failed for lack of investment... SF Allen Steele: so it still comes down to "no bucks, no Buck Rogers." Everyone involved is trying to SF Allen Steele: figure out how to get around that particular roadblock. GA. HOST EBK Mars: And I believe that addresses SciFiDog's comment over in the O*W*C, Correct SciFi? SciFiDog: 10K per pound! I hear a valid reason to send women primarily for the forseeable future... ones who look like calista flockhart. SciFiDog: correct Mars HOST EBK Mars: Back to writing... HOST EBK Mars: Allen Steele, 1: how many short stories do you write in a month? and 2: why not more? NINLILA: --- 1 HOST EBK Astra: Buy Coyote. Now. SF Allen Steele: LOL. Callista in orbit... this, I would like to see. HOST EBK Mars: lol Allen. SciFiDog: ( Love to get orders from women, Astra. Willdo.) HOST EBK Astra: LOL SF Allen Steele: It takes about a month to write a short story; a novella takes about 2-3 months. I'm SF Allen Steele: peddling as fast as I can, honest... SF Allen Steele: but I've never been a 10,000-word-per-day writer. GA NINLILA: --- 1 Shadowjakk: I'm going to assume that was a pun and not a typo. :) HOST EBK Mars: thank you Allen. HOST EBK Mars: And the next question: Araiused: What do you think of space going commercial? NINLILA: AraIsHere: NIN in action : SF Allen Steele: I think it's the way to go. Commercial space enterprise is the wave of the future... NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: I've been to space conferences where I've heard very sane, very conservative SF Allen Steele: businessmen... SF Allen Steele: speak of space development as the next great investment opportunity... NINLILA: AraIsHere: What typo? Shadowjakk: Peddling/pedalling SciFiDog: ( but they invested in .coms instead. :-)) SF Allen Steele: I even once heard a vice-president of a well-established British investment bank... NINLILA: --- 2 SF Allen Steele: quote Robert Heinlein, and get applauded for it. But again, the question is... HOST EBK Astra: I hope someone called him on it :-) NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: Where does the money come from? How do investors get a return for their money in the short SF Allen Steele: term? GA HOST EBK Mars: LOL, I think it's appropriate either way, Shadow, don't you? That is one of the jobs of Shadowjakk: It works as a pun, though. :) HOST EBK Mars: an Author they don't teach in school... HOST EBK Mars: An author has to sell his work after he writes it. Araiused: Tada SciFiDog: Hi Knite. NINLILA: --- 1 HOST EBK Astra: re's Knite SciFiDog: , Ara KNITEMARE87: hi all HOST EBK Astra: ****Araiused, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** HOST EBK Mars: Which leads into the next question rather nicely... HOST EBK Mars: stra: Any tips for writer aspirants besides "writealotandyou'llgetbetter?" Shadowjakk: Sure. It's more appropriate as stated, unless his word processor is hooked to an exercycle. HOST EBK Astra: LOLOL Araiused: I've lost your Cybling IM window there, Mars :/ HOST EBK Mars: And that should be ASTRA...sorry. NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: The Heinlein quote, as I recall, was, "Once you're in orbit, you're halfway to anywhere." Shadowjakk: That's better than using "Yngvi is a louse!" NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: Yes ... think original. I read slush-pile manuscripts on occasion for a well-known SF Allen Steele: quarterly SF mag... OnlineHost: TAMirabile has entered the room. Araiused: Hi, TAM :) HOST EBK Astra: re's TAM TAMirabile: Love AOL NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: and one of the things I've seen over and over again is a certain sameness... TAMirabile: Thanks, Astra SF Allen Steele: as if the writers are reading the same handful of bedselling SF authors or watching the SF Allen Steele: same TV shows and movies... NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: and simply regurgitating their plots and charactders. If you really want to break in... NINLILA: --- 3 Araiused: Pause for thought? SF Allen Steele: think outside the box. Find something new. It's hard to do, sure, but that's what will get SF Allen Steele: your stuff noticed by an editor. GA HOST EBK Mars: follow up question... Araiused: Asteele: What kind of sameness ... can you be specific? NINLILA: --- 5 HOST EBK Mars: And I'll have a final question before we have to let you go for the evening. SF Allen Steele: Hi, Shadow. Good to see you again. Shadowjakk: Hiya Allen. NINLILA: --- SF Allen Steele: Hmm ... space battles. Bad guy alien vs. good guy aliens. Galactic empires. Etc. HOST EBK Mars: Allen...when you wrote _Tranquility Alternative_ a few years back, you envisioned an HOST EBK Mars: alternate reality in which NASA continued unabated... NINLILA: --- 1 SF Allen Steele: Everyone is doing this. Think different. GA. HOST EBK Mars: at the time we thought things had been mothballed for too long...and now a long time has HOST EBK Mars: passed... HOST EBK Mars: in COYOTE it takes a fascist (yes?) government to get us into space... HOST EBK Mars: You say there is hope, but when, do you think? NINLILA: --- NINLILA: --- 2 HOST EBK Mars: Pardon me...when do you think we'll finally get off this mudball? SF Allen Steele: The scenario I presented in COYOTE is deliberately a worst case situation.... NINLILA: --- 4 NINLILA: --- 6 Araiused: Is there a 5? SF Allen Steele: in which we go to the stars, but for all the wrong reasons. In a way, it's a mirror-image SF Allen Steele: of the one I depicted in THE TRANQUILLITYU ALTERNARTIVE... Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 11] 11/25/2002 09:15 PM NINLILA: ALTERNARTIVE... SF Allen Steele: I think we can go into space for all the best reasons, and indeed I like to believe that SF Allen Steele: this is the way we're going now. .. HOST EBK Astra: Tranquillity U .... A really laid back college? :-) Shadowjakk: LOL Araiused: Yes, yes,NIN, I read that. Shadowjakk: Sure it's fascism, but the shuttles run on time. Araiused: LOLOL, Shadow NINLILA: --- 2 SF Allen Steele: It won't be easy, for sure. Butg nothing worth doing ever is, is it? HOST EBK Astra: The earth world of Coyote is scary. Very. SF Allen Steele: Okay, put a fork in me and turn me over.I'm done. HOST EBK Mars: r the past fe HOST EBK Astra: Almost as bad as the Coyote planet :0 HOST EBK Mars: Folks...let's take this opportunity to thank Allen... NINLILA: --- 1 KNITEMARE87: Thanks allen HOST EBK Astra: ::: wild applause :::: HOST EBK Mars: for all the wonderful stories he's given us over the year.s... Shadowjakk: Done? And here I was going to applaud a rare appearance. Araiused: :; Turning fork over ::: HOST EBK Mars: And the wonderful stories... Shadowjakk: :::Applauding:::: Araiused: LOLOL SF Allen Steele: I've been committing a lot of typos tonight, folks. Sorry> HOST EBK Mars: yet to come. TAMirabile: ::::applause:::: Thank you. Allen HOST EBK Astra: We ... want .... more. Araiused: More more KNITEMARE87: Its ok allen TAMirabile: Typo is the basic language of this room HOST EBK Mars: Not to worry, Allen....you're on a laptop tonight...and they're notorious. KNITEMARE87: We all are fluent in tyyypoo HOST EBK Astra: Allen you've been in the OWC before. Typos are required. Araiused: Typos r us SF Allen Steele: And thank you, Jan, for a lovely time. NINLILA: AraIsHere: Thank you, Mr. Steele SciFiDog: Typoid Mary! HOST EBK Mars: Expect us to buttonhole you at Torcon! HOST EBK Astra: Ya, Allen! And have a Happy Turkey Day! Shadowjakk: Thanks, Allen!!! Araiused: Whenis Turkey Day down South? HOST EBK Astra: Thursday Araiused: Thank you, SF Allen Stee;e TAMirabile: This Thursday Araiused: oh my Araiused: Steele E cat s: Thanks Allen! KNITEMARE87: Why, did you canadiens take another american holiday and mess it up ;) NINLILA: Cybling: yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! SF Allen Steele: I'll be there! Looking forward to my 30th anniversary as a SF fan. TAMirabile: LOLOL HOST EBK Mars: Cool! Araiused: Don't ask me, KNITE OnlineHost: Fireblast has entered the room. Araiused: Ask the gov HOST EBK Astra: ****Fireblast, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST EBK Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Allen Steele!**** HOST EBK Astra: ****Please IM your questions to Astra and**** HOST EBK Astra: ****they will be put into the queue.**** Araiused: Hi, Fire KNITEMARE87: Hello fire SciFiDog: Thanks Allen!!!! TAMirabile: hmmmm need different greeting HOST EBK Astra: Whups. Interview is over, Fire. Sorry :) Fireblast: hi all Fireblast: haha NINLILA: --- 1 Araiused: Over and very done. :: turning fork once more ::: TAMirabile: It was so good to have Allen here :) HOST EBK Astra: Buy Coyote. Now. :-) Araiused: I wonder if Allen remembers me from Calgary SF Allen Steele: Folks, thank you very much. I gotta go, though... Araiused: Bye Bye, Steele NINLILA: --- 1 Shadowjakk: Goodnight, and thank you, Allen! :) HOST EBK Astra: Have fun on the radio, Allen! SF Allen Steele: I have an early morning appointment tomorrow, a radio interview in Vermont. Araiused: Cool! SF Allen Steele: Time for me to fly... NINLILA: --- 1 TAMirabile: Now if NPR would pick it up TAMirabile: Night Allen Steele HOST EBK Mars: Goodnight, and thank you so much Allen! HOST EBK Astra: Oh - and update the web page, Allen! SF Allen Steele: Calgary was a GREAT time....see you all around! Araiused: Does NIN do this on the fly or do you have to Cut and Paste? SF Allen Steele: Be good, friends and neighbors! Bye! NINLILA: --- Araiused: Nite, Steele HOST EBK Astra: Our own AI, Ara. No cut and paste. TAMirabile: ::::waving bye::::: Araiused: COOL! OnlineHost: SF Allen Steele has left the room. Araiused: But she is pasting text in the wrong order :) TAMirabile: NIN is good TAMirabile: She's young yet Araiused: LOL HOST EBK Mars: Nope...ninlila does all the transposing all by herself...lol. HOST EBK Mars: Folks...thakns so much for coming out... Araiused: Oh, ba-ad girl Shadowjakk: Thank-ee, Mars. :) Araiused: I'd better close the Cybling window E cat s: Thanks, Mars! HOST EBK Mars: And stay and talk with Astra...the owner of a signed copy of the COYOTE galley... HOST EBK Mars: right Asta? OnlineHost: Athanor IX has entered the room. Athanor IX: Hi. OldWolfGaidin: Thanks for Hosting, Mars Shadowjakk: Hiya, Ath. E cat s: Hi Ath :) HOST EBK Astra: Athanor IX! Pull up a beanbag and make yourself comfortable in the Other *Worlds* Cafe! Author Allen Steele has finished his Koffeeklatch, so now it's Open Chat for Science Fiction! Araiused: Thanks, MarsQ TAMirabile: Good Night. Thanks Mars and Astra going to watch the end of 12 Monkeys OnlineHost: TAMirabile has left the room. Araiused: Hi, Ath HOST EBK Mars: I'll be right back. HOST EBK Astra: Night TAM! OnlineHost: HOST EBK Mars has left the room. Shadowjakk: The last coupla monkeys are the best. KNITEMARE87: Ath, you missed the inteview E cat s: Thank you, Astra! Gotta run. HOST EBK Astra: She has to change computers :) Araiused: Nite, E HOST EBK Astra: Night E! OnlineHost: E cat s has left the room. OnlineHost: HOST EBK Mars has entered the room. Araiused: Re's Mars HOST EBK Mars: Hi folks...I'm here! HOST EBK Astra: re's Mars, LOL Araiused: Huh HOST EBK Mars: Changing computers, ARa. LOL. Araiused: Ahso Shadowjakk: Of course, there are several ways you can interpret the statement: "Going to watch the end of 12 Monkeys." OnlineHost: KNITEMARE87 has left the room. Araiused: 12 monkeys all expired? Shadowjakk: I'll opt for the one involving Bruce Willis. SciFiDog: LOL Mars HOST EBK Mars: LOLOL, indeed there are. HOST EBK Astra: Time for me to go ... Thanks, Mars, night all! OldWolfGaidin: Bruce was the Thirteenth Monkey. :-) Araiused: Nite, Astra! OldWolfGaidin: Night, Astra. Thanks for Hosting OnlineHost: HOST EBK Astra has left the room. HOST EBK Mars: There's a judas in every bunch of bananas, eh? Shadowjakk: LOL OldWolfGaidin: lol NINLILA: My work here is done. Goodnight folks! Araiused: Nite, NIN. OnlineHost: NINLILA has left the room. OnlineHost: ToonedIn has entered the room. Shadowjakk: Damn. My Linear B font isn't working. I was going to say goodnight in Sumerian. HOST EBK Mars: Hiya Toon! ToonedIn: hi OldWolfGaidin: brb- must brew tea HOST EBK Mars: Welcome to the O*W*C...our special chat with Allen Steele is over for the evening... SciFiDog: LOL Shadow... goodnight. ToonedIn: ok HOST EBK Mars: and so we'll be talking general SF. OnlineHost: Fireblast has left the room. ToonedIn: ok HOST EBK Mars: lol Shadow. HOST EBK Mars: That's right, Nin is also a Sumerian diety. Shadowjakk: See y'all soon! Great chat Mars and Astra! HOST EBK Mars: What...no Babylonian cuneform font? ToonedIn: brb Athanor IX: ::foregoes mentioning that Sumerian wasn't written in Linear B. HOST EBK Mars: Night Shadow. OldWolfGaidin: bak Shadowjakk: The writer of Linear b would be known as a Cretan. :) Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 7] 11/25/2002 09:30 PM OldWolfGaidin: "General SF"? Isn't the military SF chat in the general chat room? :-) Shadowjakk: But, I didn't want to infer that Nin was a Cretan. :) HOST EBK Mars: She's gone, and can take no offense either way... Shadow. HOST EBK Mars: She's less than a cretan...she's a sloppy bot. OnlineHost: REGENTIC has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: Folks...did you know that the center piece of COYOTE is available on line for free? HOST EBK Mars: Hi Reggie! Shadowjakk: Hiya REG. LTNS. REGENTIC: Evening gang HOST EBK Mars: You just missed Allen Steele. REGENTIC: Hi Shadow, it has been REGENTIC: Really? DOH! HOST EBK Mars: You can read the Hugo nominated novellette at http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/freebooks.htm REGENTIC: I haven't seen him a really long time HOST EBK Mars: He doesn't come online that often...and usually can't stay long when he does, Reggie... REGENTIC: Thnaks HOST EBK Mars: but the log of his chat will be up soon. Shadowjakk: Why, I haven't seen you since...before Barbarella did Botox, REG. ToonedIn: back REGENTIC: LOL Shadow ToonedIn: hve a question for general discussion ToonedIn: what makes a book sci fi as opposed to, say, horror? Araiused: Hi, REG Araiused: What a shame, REG, you missed Steele. HOST EBK Mars: Ah that's one we wrestle with quite a bit, Toon. ToonedIn: is stephen king's "insomnia" sci fi or horror? Araiused: The amount of blood, Toon OldWolfGaidin: Evening, Reg REGENTIC: Yes, Mars was just telling me that. HOST EBK Mars: I know I have my opinions...but I'm sure the other folks here have theirs. I defer to them. ToonedIn: how about "carrie"? OldWolfGaidin: Science fiction comes from careful speculation about known science. REGENTIC: I'll have to be sure to read the log HOST EBK Mars: Horror, imho. Shadowjakk: The blurb for a sci fi novel is always written by Robert Silverberg. It's a dead giveaway. ToonedIn: lol HOST EBK Mars: LOL, Shadow. OldWolfGaidin: Horror is about scaring the stuff out of you. ToonedIn: horro blurbs always by king or koontz ToonedIn: but a lot of sci fi is scary, too Shadowjakk: Sometimes Richard Bachman, too. ToonedIn: the island of dr. moreau HOST EBK Mars: Carrie is horror, imho because: supernatural powers and moral questions are the moving factors in the plot. Shadowjakk: That, and it involves PMS. No SF ever involves PMS. OldWolfGaidin: The SFnal elements of "Carrie" are almost incidental to the plot. HOST EBK Mars: Science Fiction/Horror ... though technology is part of the mover of the plot, it's still a moral tale. ToonedIn: telekinesis could be considered a paranormal power, though HOST EBK Mars: LOLOLOL...Shadowjakk...you've not read a lot of Connie Willis, have you? ToonedIn: island of dr. moreau is a moral tale, too Shadowjakk: Oh...yeah. I forgot. HOST EBK Mars: Exactly, Toone, which is why I'd call it a cross-over. ToonedIn: so is all of h. g. wells' stuff HOST EBK Mars: Many stories, imho, particularly today are crossover. OldWolfGaidin: Um, that's a special brand of SF called the "cautionary tale". ToonedIn: yeah, but h. g. wells is one of the founders of modern sci fi HOST EBK Mars: When the morality of it is more important than the tech of it, then yes....but I'd class Welles as SF. REGENTIC: The voices™ say the difference between Scifi and horror is one is a TV network and the other isn't. ;) SciFiDog: I read a "period" short story once. Hilatious. HOST EBK Mars: LOLOL Reggie. SciFiDog: hilarious, rather. Shadowjakk: LOLOL, SciFi. HOST EBK Mars: Take COYOTE, by Allen. It is kind of a cross-over... Shadowjakk: Perdido Station, as well. Since, in the novel, it's that time of the moth. ToonedIn: mars, your classification of wells as sci fi despite his cautionary moral tales--mmm--seems contradictory :-$ HOST EBK Mars: in that it proposes an alternate history before moving on into the future. Shadowjakk: That was a pun for its own slake. :) HOST EBK Mars: Not really Toon... HOST EBK Mars: His cautionary tales were not so much about Man trying to Play God ... Araiused: Eeew, Shadow REGENTIC: ::::telling the voices that cautionary tales weren't the ones written by Chaucer:::: Araiused: I liked the slake moths HOST EBK Mars: and doing what they did because the devil said they should... SciFiDog: about how periods had ended... and daughter of prominent woman joined the issue's equivalent of the "PETA" ... until she got it and discovered it HURT! HOST EBK Mars: but rather they were rants against the social order as he saw it at that time. ToonedIn: mars, they kinda were--at times, anyway ToonedIn: moreau, definitely Shadowjakk: Nobody *likes* the slake moths. HOST EBK Mars: The evil was the evil that MEN did, not supernatural beings. ToonedIn: trying to create a new species Araiused: They're so diabolically thirsty ToonedIn: food of the gods, too (even the title) -- lol Shadowjakk: Even PETA advocates wear slake moth shoes. SciFiDog: Mars... the Flip Wilson Excuse: The Devil Made Me Do It!!! Araiused: LOL HOST EBK Mars: Asimov, an avoyed atheist, appropriated god's name a few times for titles too. HOST EBK Mars: And I doubt that you could class any of Asimov's works as anything other than science fiction... except for the feghoots and mysteries he wrote, of course. Araiused: He aint' in paradise then, Mars SciFiDog: slake moths.... "mmmmm.... swirly.": Homer Simpson. Shadowjakk: LOL ToonedIn: mars, you said that wells' tales were not so much stories about man trying to play god, but, well, some are. . . . HOST EBK Mars: Okay. See that's where the problem comes, Toone. Shadowjakk: Which paradise, Ara? HOST EBK Mars: Each of us when we read puts different emphasis on different parts of the tale... Shadowjakk: Christian? Araiused: Take your pick, Shadow HOST EBK Mars: and so what some of us see as pure SF, others see as pure horror. OldWolfGaidin: Ferdinand Feghoot? The punster? Araiused: Is there a universal paradise? Shadowjakk: Muslim? (also known as Paradise Allah Mode) ToonedIn: i think we could agree there, mars HOST EBK Mars: Indeed, OWG. Asimov was an infamous punster. Araiused: Oh my! REGENTIC: and of course everyone knows that Vonnegut never wrote SF, just ask him. ;) HOST EBK Mars: Well, that's another thing I hold with. HOST EBK Mars: Reggie... if an author doesn't want to join our club... I say fine. HOST EBK Mars: He's not a science fiction author and I don't need to give him my money, 8^7 Araiused: Will the Muslim paradise and the Christian paradise go to war? Araiused: Well said, Mars ToonedIn: but, now , bradbury--how in ANY world is he sci fi?????? HOST EBK Mars: No, Ara...their's a nice little wall, I hear. Araiused: He is, Toon OldWolfGaidin: Thanks, Mars. I've read one of those stories. It was great. HOST EBK Mars: I've been told the Presbyterians won't even know the Methodists are there. ToonedIn: i'd say he's fantasy Araiused: Oh bummer,Mars Araiused: I was looking forward to a great celestial war. Athanor IX: You'll get to watch the torments of the damned. HOST EBK Mars: Toone, some of Bradbury's stories are called Science Fiction. But on the whole, I believe most folks will admit that he's a fantacist. SciFiDog: Toonedln, the driving cat...;-) Araiused: Toon, all fiction is fantasy ToonedIn: a fanatic? ToonedIn: lol HOST EBK Mars: The premeire US fantasy author as a matter of fact. ToonedIn: no, it's not, araiused Araiused: What morbid entertainment, Ath ToonedIn: fantasy is a distinct genre of fiction HOST EBK Mars: Not really, not any more Toone. Athanor IX: Watching the suffering of the damned is one of the chief pleasures of Heaven, according to Augustine. Araiused: The borderlines have blurred, Toon ToonedIn: i'd say that it is still HOST EBK Mars: The genres are becoming more and more similar. OnlineHost: JFINLEYN has entered the room. ToonedIn: the lord of the rings is fantasy ToonedIn: no sci fi there SciFiDog: RBrad's "From the Dust Returned" was a nice little fantasy work... an suitable for YA readers. HOST EBK Mars: Hiya, JFin... Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 9] 11/25/2002 09:45 PM Araiused: All sadists are in Heaven? Shadowjakk: Ara is speaking in a more...Timothy Leary sense of varification, Tooned. HOST EBK Mars: we're arguing about the difference between SF and fantasy right now. HOST EBK Mars: Welcome ot the O*W*C. Araiused: Blech, Shadow ToonedIn: lol HOST EBK Mars: True, Toone. Everyone in this room would agree with you that the LoTR is fantasy.... HOST EBK Mars: and yet Hollywood, in some instances would promote it as Sci-Fi. HOST EBK Mars: Which is a dead give away there. Athanor IX: But there would be no such unanimity of opinion on The Dying Earthj. Athanor IX: -j ToonedIn: if we can all agree, then there must still be such a thing as fantasy literature as a genre OldWolfGaidin: Well, Mars, it does have a lot of explosions and flashy-bangy battles. ;-) HOST EBK Mars: Whenever something is promoted as Sci-Fi, you can be sure it has SOME fantasy elements in it. Shadowjakk: But...let not us forget THE MARTIAN CHRONICLES, THE ILLUSTRATED MAN, R IS FOR ROCKET, S IS FOR SPACE, and many other distinctly SF works penned by Bradbury. HOST EBK Mars: Of course there is Toone. ToonedIn: sf to some Araiused: Wait, Augustine had it wrong. The damned are free to party while the martyrs... ToonedIn: fantasy to others -- lol JFINLEYN: hi need adose of true si fi the enterprise has ended up a disapointment HOST EBK Mars: Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror all fall under the Fantastic Fiction umbrella, imho. Athanor IX: "All the best bands are affiliated with Satan." -Bart Simpson. Araiused: LOL REGENTIC: LOL HOST EBK Mars: JFIN, well you've come to the right place. SciFiDog: LOL Ath JFINLEYN: thanks HOST EBK Mars: We just finished a talk with Allen Steele who is renowned for his hard science ficiton. Araiused: Neener neener you martyrs for a cause. ToonedIn: they're all branches of romance in the gothic sense ToonedIn: which is a branch of romanticism OldWolfGaidin: I dunno. I like "Enterprise". Shadowjakk: He He...."Martyr", she wrote. Araiused: Huh? Athanor IX: "Romance: Fiction which owes no allegiance to the God of Things As They Are." -Ambrose Bierce. HOST EBK Mars: Which is precisely why it's getting harder and harder to cut a razor sharp line between SF and Fantasy and Fantasy and Horror and Horror and Fantasy Toone. OnlineHost: SBRinNJ has entered the room. HOST EBK Mars: LOL, thanks Ath. Araiused: Hi, SBR OldWolfGaidin: lol Ath HOST EBK Mars: Always appreciate a good Ambrose Bierce quote. SBRinNJ: Hi Ara HOST EBK Mars: SBR! Good to see you tonight. OldWolfGaidin: Evening, SBR :-) SBRinNJ: Hello Mars. Thank you! HOST EBK Mars: We're nitpicking genres in the O*W*C. SBRinNJ: Greetings Der Wolfen!' Shadowjakk: Shelley wrote in the romantic mode. Do you think FRANKENSTEIN is SF, Tooned? ToonedIn: mars, the lines may be blurred, but they are still there, else the words and the concepts to which the words point would be meaningless OldWolfGaidin: Das Wolfenator! SBRinNJ: I think Frankenstein is fantasy and sci-fi together. ToonedIn: yes, frankenstein is sci fi HOST EBK Mars: Which is why I made that statement earlier about Vonnegut, Toone. SciFiDog: When we are all 80-ish... I wonder if we will abandon SF (for our lack of a cryogenic or life extending thang... or a starship sleeppod.) for fantasy/ or religion.? ToonedIn: yes HOST EBK Mars: Because the lines between the SUB genres are so blurred... OldWolfGaidin: Hm..."Frankenstein", from what I recall, is a gothic romance, with science fantasy. HOST EBK Mars: it's important to listen to the author and what he/she has to say about the work. SBRinNJ: Wolf, you hit the nail right on the head! SciFiDog: FStein is Horror-SF subgenre. ToonedIn: the subtitle suggests the intended genre, and i think mary got it right HOST EBK Mars: If they say it's SF, then by golly, unless I'm totally convinced otherwise I say, sure. SBRinNJ: I read that for the first time this year. Fabulous novel. Araiused: So is Perdido, with its elements of alchemy: science fantasy OldWolfGaidin: Thanks, SBR. I do have a verbal hammer. ;-) SBRinNJ: lol JFINLEYN: what about the doctor HOST EBK Mars: Which Doctor? Araiused: LOL, OldWollf Athanor IX: Science fantasy is a useful concept. JFINLEYN: who Araiused: Doctor Frankenstein SBRinNJ: Doctor Who? Shadowjakk: When FRANKENSTEIN was written, the science involved was considered contemporary. ToonedIn: no, dr. who was in a different book REGENTIC: LOL ToonedIn: lol SBRinNJ: lol OldWolfGaidin: Mary Shelly mucked about with Franklin's spiffy new "electric fluid". HOST EBK Mars: Indeed. At the time weren't they using mesmerism and static electric shocks to cure some ills? HOST EBK Mars: Legitimate doctors, I mean. OldWolfGaidin: They were playing around with the medical uses for electricity. Araiused: "IT IS ALIVE!" HOST EBK Mars: Not just your usual gang of charletains. HOST EBK Mars: LOL Ara. SBRinNJ: lol Ara... but he never said that in the book. OldWolfGaidin: Yes, it was legitemate research ToonedIn: science came out of magic and alchemy, so maybe sci fi is really witch stuff -- lol HOST EBK Mars: Shame, SBR, it's a wonderful line. Shadowjakk: They were still bleeding people in some places then, Mars. SBRinNJ: It is, isn't it, Mar? SBRinNJ: Leeches too OldWolfGaidin: Frankenstien was in his late teens or early twenties when he created the monster. ToonedIn: 20's HOST EBK Mars: A student of medicine. SBRinNJ: Right OldWolfGaidin: They went to college a lot earlier than we do, back then. ToonedIn: a lot of humor in "frankenstein" JFINLEYN: try the nicromancer HOST EBK Mars: They go to college a lot earlier than we do ... now. HOST EBK Mars: I keep planning to go, lol. SBRinNJ: Tooned, you think so? I guess I missed it. :-( ToonedIn: yes Shadowjakk: Yup. Good humours, bad humours. SBRinNJ: That's Shakespearean. ToonedIn: for example, vic talks about how clumsy he is HOST EBK Mars: We all know of 15 and 16 year olds that get their masters. SciFiDog: LOL OWG ToonedIn: he gets bigger and bigger body parts ToonedIn: because he has poor fine motor skills Shadowjakk: Out of context, that's a very intriguing line, Mars. HOST EBK Mars: o/~Oh sweet mystery of life at last I've found you o/~ REGENTIC: Voice tip: always remember to keep your Good humours in the freezer. ;) HOST EBK Mars: Sorry... I couldn't resist. SBRinNJ: I thought that was after he'd created the "monster" SciFiDog: Mars... propaganda to make us feel bad. Shadowjakk: LOL Shadowjakk: She's dead now. :/ JFINLEYN: by ladys and gools OnlineHost: JFINLEYN has left the room. OldWolfGaidin: lol Mars Shadowjakk: Madeleine, that is. SBRinNJ: Bye JF HOST EBK Mars: Indeed, but she was a wonderful comedianne, wasn't she Shadow? Shadowjakk: Yup. One of the best. SciFiDog: better than porcine motor skills... like the aforementioned Rosemary's baby. ;-) HOST EBK Mars: So here's an odd question...which is more Science Fiction... "Frankenstein" or "Young Frankenstein"? Araiused: :: Changing position on seat ::: Chat is hard on your behind. HOST EBK Mars: LOL SBRinNJ: I don't think of Frankenstein as sci-fi, so I can't answer that one. HOST EBK Mars: You got that right Ara...why I changed computers. ToonedIn: the original ToonedIn: young was a parody Shadowjakk: Yoiu should try typing with your fingers, Ara. REGENTIC: LOL HOST EBK Mars: LOL, Shadow. Araiused: Pooh, Shadow HOST EBK Mars: Did that deserve a ::::thwapitttythwappthwapp::: or what? ToonedIn: lotta critics claim poe invented sci fi SBRinNJ: lol Mars OldWolfGaidin: "Young Frankenstein" went into the mechanisms of monster making. ToonedIn: others, less bold, say he was one of the 1st Araiused: So was Lovecraft, Toon HOST EBK Mars: He did, Toone, if you consider SF a subgenre of the Mystery, Toone. HOST EBK Mars: And a lot of people do. ToonedIn: yeah, but poe lived before lovecraft Araiused: ThwippetyTHWAP HOST EBK Mars: Yes, Ara, Lovecraft did write a good deal of SF. SBRinNJ: Poe? Sci-Fi? Shadowjakk: YF is a parody, which requires recursive knowledge. Parody works best with something that's become a cultural meme, like the original Frankenstein. HOST EBK Mars: Fantasy has been with us for as long as we could extrapolate, Toone. OldWolfGaidin: Poe inspired Lovecraft. SciFiDog: I think, before Poe or frank... we should think 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. ToonedIn: descent into the maelstrom, for example Shadowjakk: That doesn't answer the question at all, but it sounds good, doesn't it? REGENTIC: Speaking of Poe, The first time the voices™ saw Fall of the house of Usher they said "well no one stays at the top of pop charts forever" ;) OldWolfGaidin: And the movie of "Frankenstein" is based on the stage play, not the novel. Araiused: Ah, Jules Verne HOST EBK Mars: I'm totally intimidated Shadow. OldWolfGaidin: lol Reg HOST EBK Mars: lol Reg. Shadowjakk: So am I, Mars. Wolf's font is *really* red isn't it? Shadowjakk: LOL, REG. Araiused: I heard the FAll of the House of Usher read out on an audio tape: real freaky OldWolfGaidin: Um, it's brown from where I'm sitting. HOST EBK Mars: Folks... I wanted to let you know that the next special guest chat we'll be having here will be with Jody Lynn Nye, SF/Fantasy author... ToonedIn: oldwolk, what do you suppose the play was based on? Shadowjakk: Looks red to me. HOST EBK Mars: on December the 13th. Araiused: Redbrown HOST EBK Mars: Hopefully we'll have several other authors lined up in the next few weeks... Shadowjakk: OK...maybe burnt sienna. Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 9] 11/25/2002 10:00 PM SBRinNJ: Sounds good, Mar! OldWolfGaidin: Old newspapers found in the bottom of a parakeet cage, ToonedIn. HOST EBK Mars: and I won't be afflicting you with my Weird Holiday topics. ToonedIn: lol Shadowjakk: No...it's red, dammit. SBRinNJ: It's russet HOST EBK Mars: If you don't currently subscribe to the O*W*C weekly schedule... Araiused: Deepred HOST EBK Mars: now's your opportunity to do so, and get advance warning... Araiused: Old blood red ToonedIn: i can't get into much modern sci fi Shadowjakk: I just did a spectral analysis with my Swiss Army knife fold-out spectrometer. HOST EBK Mars: when authors of Fantasy, Science Fiction and Horror will be joining us for special KoffeeKlatch chats. REGENTIC: LOL Araiused: Why not, Toon SBRinNJ: lol Shadow SciFiDog: the lower my eyeline is, the more brown and less red... if i sit way up... more reddish. SBRinNJ: Mars, how does one subscribe? ToonedIn: seems too--i don't know--academic HOST EBK Mars: Either go to the O*W*C's website http://www.webmoose.com/owc/ ToonedIn: lacks drama Araiused: Lacks drama??? Shadowjakk: That's called red-shift, SciFi. HOST EBK Mars: or email HOST EBK Chip to get your weekly email. OnlineHost: Nonperel has entered the room. Araiused: You're missing something there, Toon HOST EBK Mars: Hiya Nonperel! SBRinNJ: Thanks Mars! Shadowjakk: It's a relativity thing. :) HOST EBK Mars: Good to see you! Araiused: There's plenty of drama in SF SBRinNJ: Hi Nonperel ToonedIn: yes, when compared to h. g. wells, lovecraft, bradbury, etc. REGENTIC: They need to show it on TNT then cause they know Drama Araiused: Hi, Nonperel HOST EBK Mars: We're just wrapping up here in the O*W*C...arguing about SF, Fantasy and Horror. HOST EBK Mars: LOL Reggie. ToonedIn: too often seems that the stories exist merely to express an idea SciFiDog: hokay. I cannot read more. nytol and thanxol! HOST EBK Mars: Goodnight SciFi! Araiused: Nite, Sci OldWolfGaidin: Night, Sci ToonedIn: nite OnlineHost: SciFiDog has left the room. Shadowjakk: Actually, we're not arguing. We're all just expounding great truths individually. HOST EBK Mars: Folks, it's time for me to wander down the CyberTrail as well. SBRinNJ: Night Sci Araiused: Thanks, Mars! Shadowjakk: Night, SciFi. SBRinNJ: Night Mars! ToonedIn: me, too REGENTIC: night Mars, thanks OnlineHost: Nonperel has left the room. ToonedIn: good chat, though OnlineHost: Athanor IX has left the room. Shadowjakk: Night, Mars! Good one!\ ToonedIn: good room Araiused: Nite, folks, I have some ironing to do! OnlineHost: ToonedIn has left the room. SBRinNJ: Bye Ara Shadowjakk: Nytol! OldWolfGaidin: Night, Mars. Thanks for Hosting HOST EBK Mars: Remember, take no guff. No one should ask you for your password and if they try REPORT 'EM! OnlineHost: Shadowjakk has left the room. OldWolfGaidin: Night all :-) SBRinNJ: Guess it's time to close the shop. Araiused: Otherwise nothing to wear tomorrow! SBRinNJ: Night all! OnlineHost: Shadowjakk has entered the room. OnlineHost: Shadowjakk has left the room. OnlineHost: SBRinNJ has left the room. Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 3] 11/25/2002 10:03 PM