Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 1] 11/8/01 08:44 PM Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 1] 11/8/01 08:45 PM Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 1] 11/8/01 08:47 PM OWC Mars: ***The opinions expressed in this chat are OWC Mars: not necessarily those of The OWC Mars: Other*Worlds*Cafe or America Online.*** OWC Mars: Hi Zyxt. HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Mars OWC Mars: Stretching. OWC Mars: Wanna say anything to our honored guest? OWC Mars: Everyone, let's please greet Lucy OWC Mars: Snyder, author! OWC Mars: Lucy Snyder is a Texas native whose OWC Mars: fiction has appeared in a variety of OWC Mars: print and electronic publications. She OWC Mars: currently lives in Columbus, OH OWC Mars: where she publishes Dark Planet and OWC Mars: is a consulting editor for Strange OWC Mars: Horizons. BLOOD MAGIC, her OWC Mars: collection of 4 stories is now available OWC Mars: from Eggplant-Productions. OWC Mars: Okay... Lucy... why don't we start with a question... OWC Mars: that was left for you on the board... OWC Mars: What is it about sci-fi/horror that OWC Mars: appeals to you as a genre for your OWC Mars: work? OWC Mars: Patrick James OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Basically, I've always liked the notion ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> that the world is stranger than it seems ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and I think the stories I have to tell ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> simply lend themselves better to SF/F/H.GA OWC Mars: I have another one here, also from the board... OWC Mars: What prompted you to start Dark Planet? -- Roach OWC Mars: LucySnyder> That's a longer answer .... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Ever since I was a teenager, I wanted ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> to run my own magazine. I worked on them ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> in college. When I was finishing up my ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Master's degree in journalism at Indiana U. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I needed to do a Master's thesis. Originally ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I planned to do a sample issue of a hardcopy magazine ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> But that was when the Web was ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> starting to become the Next Big Thing ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and I realized that a Web publication ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> would be both far cooler and far more feasible. :-) ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> The demo version of Dark Planet was ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> my Master's project. It had the distinction ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> of being the first electronic project .. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> done at the IU J-school. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I'm sure lots more have been done since ;-) ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> At any rate, once the demo was done ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and my degree earned ... Gandalara: Yo :) OWC Mars: LucySnyder> the logical thing seemed to be to keep it going.GA OWC Mars: Thanks Lucy! JDipale: [[[[ {{{{ Gandalara }}}}} ]]]]] <--------- Passionate Grope HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Gand, Hi Wolf HOST EBK Zyxt: Folks, if you have a question for Lucy Snyder, please type a question mark (?) into HOST EBK Zyxt: the room. If you have a comment, please type an exclamation mark (!). HOST EBK Zyxt: Comments will be given priority, in that they may relate to answers to previous HOST EBK Zyxt: questions. : ) Wolfknight63: greetings JDipale: Ha! Put That one in the log :) Gandalara: I need to come up with a Grope Back Macro :) OWC Mars: Thanks Lucy... and the url for Dark Planet is http://www.sfsite.com/darkplanet/ OWC Mars: LucySnyder> a science fiction mag, not just any ol' magazine ;-) GA JDipale: I was gonna ask for the URL OWC Mars: I noticed that there's a fine graphic on the cover as well... OWC Mars: What program did you use to create that? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I use Bryce 4 ... it's a beautiful program. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> And I do lots of touchups in Photoshop.GA JDipale: Nice program HOST EBK Zyxt: ! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Ron Horsley, who did my cover for BLOOD MAGIC ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> He's a real Bryce expert, though. I just dabble ;-) OWC Mars: Lucy... you've told us why you started Dark Planet... OWC Mars: Can you tell us a little about what you see it becoming? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Right now I have Dark Planet on hiatus ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> while I rethink its future. I'm thinking strongly ... HOST EBK Zyxt: No fair. I just now see Dark Planet, and I see that it's on hiatus. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> of doing a hardcopy anthology as a spin-off project. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> But, as I said, all that's at the thinking stage. GA OWC Mars: Zyxt, you have a comment? HOST EBK Zyxt: See above. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> DP will continue to exist on the web ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> but whether as an active site or as an archive ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I can't say for the moment. HOST EBK Zyxt: ? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> It's just resting while I try to get a novel done ;-) GA OWC Mars: LucySnyder> If there's a great hue and cry from fans ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I'm sure I'll be properly motivated ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> to make sure it comes back bigger .. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and better than before. :-) GA OWC Mars: In Blood Magic, there seems OWC Mars: to be an underlying theme of OWC Mars: "searching." Was this intentional when OWC Mars: you were choosing the stories to OWC Mars: include in the collection? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I think it's a common theme in a lot of my writing ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and the stories in the collection were written ... Gandalara: afk ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> in roughly the same period in my life ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> so I'm not surprised there would be common themes. OWC Mars: Zyxt...queue? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> But *intentional* intentional, no :-) HOST EBK Zyxt: What will it take for you to keep working on the Dark Planet website? Besides a full body HOST EBK Zyxt: cast. JDipale: I wish my screen name was Ten. Then you would JDipale: have to say Ten...Queue OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Heh :-) Mostly, time and OWC Mars: energy I feel I need to spend on OWC Mars: personal writing projects right now.GA OWC Mars: I'd like to get back to BLOOD MAGIC if I could here. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> But email from fans never hurts ;-) GA OWC Mars: This is a collection of shorts, novelettes? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Four short stories. OWC Mars: Lucy, I noticed a theme myself you OWC Mars: seem to employ a different set of OWC Mars: gods/goddesses/deamons... OWC Mars: than one usually finds in horror stories. Am I mistaken there? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> No, you're not mistaken. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> This is why I view the stories more as being dark fantasy ... HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Tech OWC Mars: LucySnyder> than horror, because they're based in a fantastic perspective. ... Techyo: Hi ALL! OWC Mars: Hi Tech! JDipale: Hey there Techyo... how are you today! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I'm fascinated with myth and the supernatural, and I think much of my work ... Techyo: :::blushes::: wrong button. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> is a reflection of that. Gandalara: bak. Hi Tech! OWC Mars: roach> The stories in Blood Magic are OWC Mars: of a dark/horror bent. Do you write OWC Mars: only horror or do you dabble in the OWC Mars: other genres? OWC Mars: And since you mentioned you feel your work is dark fantasy... OWC Mars: but are there other genres? HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Kak JDipale: Hi Kak Kakaze: Hi all! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Much of my work is horror-[fill in genre here] Kakaze: Zyxt!!!! Jd!!! Techyo: Hi Kak! Kakaze: Tech!!! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I tend to write a good bit of SF-horror ... Kakaze: I miss something, it's like a funeral in here? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> The irony is my background is in the hard sciences ... OWC Mars: Kakaze...we're interviewing Lucy Snyder, horror author tonight. OWC Mars: Zyxt, can you fill Kak in? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and I couldn't bear to read horror novels as a youngster. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> But I work in all sorts of OWC Mars: genres: fantasy, SF, horror, erotica, OWC Mars: mainstream ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> No mystery, yet :-) GA Kakaze: Oh. OWC Mars: I think Horror may be an acquired taste. HOST EBK Zyxt: Done, Mars. OWC Mars: Danka Zyxt. OWC Mars: Hi Jp HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Jp JDipale: Hello Jp Jpgoeb71: Hi all OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Possibly; mostly it was that it gave me nightmares ;-)GA OWC Mars: roach> Does it feel strange to have OWC Mars: people finding themes and meanings in OWC Mars: your writings? Do people find things OWC Mars: that you never saw there yourself? Gandalara: Ack. Hi Kak! Hi Jpg! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Oh, all the time ... Kakaze: Gand! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I wrote a fantasy story for the GUARDIAN ANGELS anthology ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> And my friend Gary A. Braunbeck read it ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and commented on what a wonderful metaphor I'd created ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> involving a set of antique teacups. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I'd not intended it to be there, but it's in there ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I think many writers put more into their work ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> than they're consciously aware of.GA OWC Mars: LucySnyder> So sometimes you just sort of have to go ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> "Yeah. Yeah, I *meant* to do that!" ;-)GA OWC Mars: Lucy, I'm not giving anything away here... OWC Mars: The first few paragraphs of BLOOD MAGIC... OWC Mars: The title story in the anthology... OWC Mars: Show some pretty blood chilling scenes involving animated water... OWC Mars: How do you pull such strong images into your prose? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Generally, when I sit down to write a story ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I often have a set of what are to me strong visual or other sensory images ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I've got in my head that I want to convey in the story. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> If I do things right, those images are as powerful ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> on the page as they were in my mind. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> If I *don't* do it right, well, nobody notices, do they ;-)GA OWC Mars: Lucy... Roach just poked me and let me know... OWC Mars: I wsa talking about . And Her Shadow. which is the excerpt OWC Mars: available online at http://www.eggplant-productions.com/jintsu/excerpt.asp?id=4 OWC Mars: Zyxt, queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: No queue, Mars. OWC Mars: JaniceMars> Did you draw from childhood memories there as well? Some pretty strong stuff. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> The settings for "... And OWC Mars: Her Shadow" are based very strongly in OWC Mars: my childhood ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> The tennis club, the arroyo, the ocean, these are all real places ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> under assumed names, of course ;-) ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> The events in said story are entirely fictional, though. OWC Mars: Marcy> Do you ever worry about the OWC Mars: people in real life figuring out who the OWC Mars: characters are? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I don't often base whole characters off people I know .... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Most often they're composites, and the parts I appropriate ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> are not recognizable. However, I did write a story once ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> in which I based the protagonists off a couple I know ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> but I got their permission first ;-) OWC Mars: Marcy> LOL! OWC Mars: midnighter> I remember THAT particular story.... OWC Mars: midnighter> Actually an excellent science fiction piece, if I recall it correctly. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Yes, Ron knows who I'm talking about . OWC Mars: Marcy> which story? OWC Mars: midnighter> "Friends don't let friends...appear in their fiction." OWC Mars: LucySnyder> An erotic SF story I sold OWC Mars: to Foggy Windows Books, which OWC Mars: unfortunately may never be OWC Mars: published.GA OWC Mars: Why not? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I like the piece; I'm trying to get my rights back.GA Gandalara: ::: perk ::: Kakaze: Ara!!! Gandalara: Hi Ara! HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Ara OWC Mars: JaniceMars> Ah, the mag went under? Araiused: 'Allo OWC Mars: LucySnyder> The publisher went under, and is showing no signs of life.GA OWC Mars: LucySnyder> It was an anthology market. ... JDipale: Hi Arai OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Kids, let this be a OWC Mars: lesson: don't sign a contract in which OWC Mars: you sell all rights ... OWC Mars: Marcy> Don't you jsut get rights back automatically? OWC Mars: Marcy> if they go under? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> unless there's a reversion-of-rights clause in the event they go under. Araiused: :: waving ::: OWC Mars: Thanks Lucy. OWC Mars: aniceMars> Lucy, you mentioned earlier that you consider your work... OWC Mars: aniceMars> Dark Fantasy. What's the specific difference for you between DF and Horror? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> It's a thin line, I admit, and the difference ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> is often in the eye of the beholder. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I think that if a tale deals with gods and mythic monsters ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> it's fundamentally fantasy. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> So, for instance, I consider Clive Barker's work fantasy ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> as does he, apparently. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Horror is an emotion, and you can write horror ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> that is set in the here-and-now ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> with no fantastic elements whatsoever. Kakaze: Lets call him Fantastic Horror and go from there. Kakaze: :-) OWC Mars: Lucy, I just wanted to mention again here that BLOOD MAGIC... OWC Mars: I downloaded it to my PDA and it's a OWC Mars: great read on that small screen, flows OWC Mars: nicely. Thanks. OWC Mars: roach> For the very reasonable price of $3.50! OWC Mars: Thank you Roach, 8^) OWC Mars: Lucy, you mentioned that you're working on a novel? OWC Mars: Can you tell us more about that? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> About a half-dozen actually .... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> It all depends on what I finish first ;-) OWC Mars: Are they all Dark Fantasy? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Most of the long works I have in progress ... OWC Mars: midnighter> we're ALWAYS working on half-a-dozen projects. like apathetic housebuilders! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> are either dark fantasy or SF-horror. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Well, if you keep more than one thing going ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> You never find yourself with nothing to do, do you? ;-) OWC Mars: midnighter> true...true... OWC Mars: The Isaac Asimov rule of writing, lol. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Hey, the old fellow died working on an essay. ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I'd just as soon go out that way, myself. Kakaze: If you work on more than one thing, how do you keep everything seperate? OWC Mars: Marcy> What makes you lean towards OWC Mars: the fantasy end of fiction other than OWC Mars: just horror stright up? OWC Mars: Marcy> As soon as I wrote THE END maybe.... OWC Mars: midnighter> you'd like to go out OWC Mars: WRITING? Oh man, I can already OWC Mars: answer to that....but I won't. OWC Mars: I was always the kid who mixed her OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Oh, I guess it's because OWC Mars: peas and mashed potatoes ;-)GA T83BIRD: Yo there, all. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> On keeping things separate: ... Gandalara: Hi T! Kakaze: T! T83BIRD: Hi Ath OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Well, I'm a fiend for note-taking and outlining longer work ... Athanor IX: Hi. JDipale: Hi Ath OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Before I do more work on a piece I've started ... T83BIRD: Hi Ruby RubyJade123: Hola! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I re-read what I've written, and doing that ... HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi T, Hi Ath., Hi Ruby! JDipale: RUBY!!! Gandalara: Hi ATh! Hi Ruby! HOST EBK Zyxt: Folks, if you have a question for Lucy Snyder, please type a question mark (?) into HOST EBK Zyxt: the room. If you have a comment, please type an exclamation mark (!). HOST EBK Zyxt: Comments will be given priority, in that they may relate to answers to previous HOST EBK Zyxt: questions. : ) OWC Mars: LucySnyder> gets me back in the right frame of mind for the project. Kakaze: Ath, Ruby!!! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Of course, if I'm far along I don't read *all* of it, mind you ;-) OWC Mars: Lucy... I have an anonymous question from the OWC... OWC Mars: Do you write and publish any erotic SF? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Yes, aside from 4 orphaned short stories I sold to Foggy Windows ... HOST EBK Zyxt: LOLOL OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I've had an erotic SF piece in Clean Sheets ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> and I'm working on a novella in that vein.GA OWC Mars: And do you write all your genres under the same name.. OWC Mars: or should we look for another name for some of your work? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I generally do all my work under my own name. OWC Mars: Sounds like you have quite a few fans here of all of your work. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Great! OWC Mars: midnighter> I should say I AM a fan! grumble.... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> ;-) OWC Mars: Lucy, we've kept you on the hot seat OWC Mars: for about an hour now... I want to ask a OWC Mars: couple more questions and call for any OWC Mars: last questions from here and OWC... Araiused: :: waving to newcomers ::: OWC Mars: Zyxt Queue? HOST EBK Zyxt: Queue is empty, Mars. Kakaze: Star! STARMOM79: Hi all T83BIRD: Hi STAR Gandalara: Hi STAR! JDipale: STAR! HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Star OWC Mars: I see that in addition to Dark Planet... RubyJade123: hey star OWC Mars: you are also involved with http://www.strangehorizons.com/ OWC Mars: what's your involvement with them, and are they a pulp or e-Mag? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Strange Horizons is an online prozine ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Headed by Mary Anne Mohanraj, who started Clean Sheets ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I started out with them as one of their poetry editors ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> but I realized I hadn't the time for that ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> so now I sort of fill in as OWC Mars: needed; mainly I've been doing OWC Mars: graphics for them ... Gandalara: Gee, all these places I already haunt :) Araiused: Hi, STAR Kakaze: Graphics? Oh, what kind? OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I do some of the graphics OWC Mars: for their site, did the cover for their PDA OWC Mars: version ... OWC Mars: LucySnyder> things like that.GA Kakaze: Question: What programmes do you use for your graphics? Gandalara: Protocol Kak! :-)~ OWC Mars: LucySnyder> I've been doing the OWC Mars: graphics for their T-shirts and mugs, OWC Mars: too. Photoshop work :-)GA Kakaze: I didn't use a "?" sue me :-p HOST EBK Zyxt: Kak's a rebel, Gand. OWC Mars: I think that answers it, thanks Lucy. Kakaze: Without a cause. OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Photoshop is like buttah ;-)GA Kakaze: Photoshop rules! So does Illustrator! OWC Mars: Okay folks...if there are no further questions... OWC Mars: let's thank Lucy for joining us in interview tonight... OWC Mars: and let loose the duct tape. Araiused: Thank you, Lucy!! OWC Mars: midnighter> Thanks, Lucy. Gandalara: ::: applause ::: T83BIRD: Thanks, Lucy RubyJade123: thankyou! Kakaze: Thanks! OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Thanks for coming, everyone! It was fun :-)GA STARMOM79: Night and thanks OWC Mars: roach> Thanks lucy! HOST EBK Zyxt: Thanks, Lusy. HOST EBK Zyxt: *Lucy OWC Mars: And now we turn the spotlight on Roach... Kakaze: Someone get the Raid! OWC Mars: * JaniceMars rips up duct tape and slaps it on Roach OWC Mars: LucySnyder> Ow! My arm! OWC Mars: And we'll open up the chat here. OWC Mars: Zyxt...you can change out of the stuffy suit if you'd like. OWC Mars: Folks...if you have specific questions about writing that you'd like to pose to Roach... OWC Mars: send them to me in IM. Araiused: Are we off topic now? OWC Mars: roach> heh. OWC Mars: "Release the OWC Mars: marmosets!!" OWC Mars: That's not gonna stick OWC Mars: to her very well; use a fresh tape!GA OWC Mars: No, no! Not the OWC Mars: marmosets!!!! Gandalara: LOL Ara. When aren't we? OWC Mars: roach> So it's newbie writer time is it? Gandalara: Hi Tome Gandalara: er, Tom HOST EBK Zyxt: I'm being dismissed so cavalierly? TomFODW: hi everyone HOST EBK Zyxt: Hi Tom Araiused: Hi, Tom RubyJade123: hey Tom! OWC Mars: Hugs and kisses to Zyxt everyone. T83BIRD: Hey Tom STARMOM79: Hello Tom Gandalara: [[[{{{ Groping Zyxt }}}]]] Araiused: {{{{ Zyxt }}}}}} RubyJade123: lol T83BIRD: Zyxt, I can't dismiss you Cavalierly. I don't even own one. OWC Mars: Well let's start with something OWC Mars: that came up in the chat. Why it's not OWC Mars: such a god idea to sign away all rights OWC Mars: to a story. OWC Mars: roach> good even. HOST EBK Zyxt: Ok. I know when I'm not needed. Later, y'all. RubyJade123: wow Gandalara: Night, Zyxt :) Araiused: Come back, Z! Araiused: Sit, Z! OWC Mars: dy. OWC Mars: Yeah, that's an interesting concept. Didn't even know is was possible. RubyJade123: was that really Lucy Snyder? OWC Mars: Yes, that was really Lucy, Ruby. RubyJade123: I'm humbled. OWC Mars: roach> Yep it is.[to sign away all rights]. OWC Mars: Kakaze> It's not good because when OWC Mars: someone wants to do something with it OWC Mars: you have no control, right? RubyJade123: wow OWC Mars: oach> And what some authors don't OWC Mars: seem to realize is that rights don't OWC Mars: return to you if a publication goes OWC Mars: under. OWC Mars: They don't? Where do they go? OWC Mars: roach> Those rights still are valuable OWC Mars: and if a publication goes bankrupt, they OWC Mars: have to be sold off, it's actually not OWC Mars: legal to return the rights to the OWC Mars: authors... TomFODW: OWC: That can't be true. T83BIRD: A Florida outfit, Denlingers Publishers, has authors assign all rights to them. Writers do get a percentage, but that's all. OWC Mars: Folks... if you have specific questions OWC Mars: for Roach about writing... IM me and I'll OWC Mars: shuttle them over to Cybling. OWC Mars: roach> They're still held up by the OWC Mars: publicaiton, unless there's a reversion OWC Mars: clause, or a limiting clause or the OWC Mars: publisher returns the rights to the OWC Mars: author. OWC Mars: roach> Yep, it is. OWC Mars: roach> And it's something that has bit an author or two on the rear end. OWC Mars: Kakaze> No doubt...it should be illegal. OWC Mars: JaniceMars> Don't most reputable publications avoid doing that though? OWC Mars: Oh...and you can chat away here as well... OWC Mars: You're not gagged kids... just if you OWC Mars: want anything to go back to roach you OWC Mars: need to send it to me in IM. STARMOM79: This is the most confising chat I ever went to STARMOM79: confusing Kakaze: Join the club :-) Araiused: Just sit on the confuse couch, STAR :) RubyJade123: I'm lost STARMOM79: OK, and I need a drink, too OWC Mars: froach> Now, if a publication goes OWC Mars: under and you turn around and sell OWC Mars: your story somewhere else without OWC Mars: getting the rights back it's up to the OWC Mars: original publication to make a stink, if OWC Mars: they want to. OWC Mars: roach> So if it's a small press, most OWC Mars: likely you'll be okay...but that's why OWC Mars: you need to read contracts over before OWC Mars: you sign them. OWC Mars: roach> Jan: yep most reputable OWC Mars: publications do. For instance, OWC Mars: Jackhammer E-zine had a reversion OWC Mars: clause in it's contract. After 90 days, OWC Mars: electronic rights returned to OWC Mars: roach>the author. This isn't something OWC Mars: that should scare writers, just OWC Mars: something they should be aware OWC Mars: unless you're getting a boatload of $$$. OWC Mars: of.Don't sign away all rights to a story OWC Mars: How can I make it less confusing for you. T83BIRD: I wouldn't do it, even for a shipload of $$$. OWC Mars: Would it be easier for you folks if I put OWC Mars: the text coming from the other area in OWC Mars: a different color? RubyJade123: yes STARMOM79: Well, it's hard to know what a boatload is. If you get 10G for a crummy story, that's OK. But if you get 10G and you wrote another Rama, then you're screwed Athanor IX: Cordwainer Smith got $0 for Scanners Live in Vain. OWC Mars: roach> It depends on the writer. OWC Mars: Maybe you wrote a story that you OWC Mars: couldn't conceivably sell anywhere OWC Mars: else, or you wrote a media tie in... STARMOM79: He got screwed T83BIRD: Thanks Mars and Roach, but must leave now. Nite all. DerHexer: Hi all Araiused: Nite, T! STARMOM79: Nite T STARMOM79: Hi Der RubyJade123: night T! Araiused: Hi, Der OWC Mars: Nite T8 Athanor IX: Every major magazine extant rejected it, so as a last resort he sent it to an extremely marginal publication. DerHexer: Nite T8 OWC Mars: roach> Media tie ins are different OWC Mars: beasts, often you don't keep rights to OWC Mars: such a story, they're owned by the OWC Mars: company that owns the media property. OWC Mars: Oh...and naught me... STARMOM79: It's funny haw tastes change OWC Mars: FRIDAY, NOV 9, 9pm-11pm OWC Mars: ET -- STARMOM79: how OWC Mars: Practice Safe Hex. It wasn't too OWC Mars: long ago that relationships OWC Mars: weren't OWC Mars: made or broken by a single IM. OWC Mars: With the advances being made in OWC Mars: communications, what does the OWC Mars: future hold for relationships? OWC Mars: Grab a OWC Mars: drink at the replicator, ditch the OWC Mars: retro threads, and join the OWC Mars: Lovemaster, HOST EBK Mystik, OWC Mars: as SF General gets attached to OWC Mars: SF Dating. OWC Mars: THEN OWC Mars: FRIDAY, NOV 9, 10pm-12am OWC Mars: ET -- There are some people who OWC Mars: think the slick and easy answers of OWC Mars: science fiction have turned people off to OWC Mars: the hard and slow progress real space OWC Mars: exploration takes. Why did we go to OWC Mars: the moon and then turn back? Join OWC Mars: HOST EBK Astra for Has SF Killed OWC Mars: The Space Program? OWC Mars: * roach nods to Athanor OWC Mars: roach> Which gets into anoter subject I wanted to discuss: non-paying markets... OWC Mars: roach> There's a discussion going on OWC Mars: at the Rumor Mill OWC Mars: (http://www.speculations.com/rumormill OWC Mars: roach> About non-paying markets and OWC Mars: where they fall in the grand scheme of OWC Mars: things...basically if they're worth OWC Mars: anything... OWC Mars: roach> ...of course I think any OWC Mars: publication that puts out quality fiction OWC Mars: (whether paying or non-paying) is OWC Mars: worthwhile... OWC Mars: roach> But I think you can use non- OWC Mars: paying markets to your advantage, OWC Mars: even if your eye is on the bottom line. DerHexer: Night all Araiused: Nite, Der! STARMOM79: Nite Der OWC Mars: Later Der. OWC Mars: How so Roach? STARMOM79: I think I'll be going too. Nite all, thanks Mars OWC Mars: I mean... you're getting nothing for a OWC Mars: non-paying market but exposure and OWC Mars: the loss of rights, right? OWC Mars: Nite Starmom. Araiused: Nite, STAR OWC Mars: roach> Promotional purposes...these OWC Mars: days writers have to do some OWC Mars: marketing of themselves, with the OWC Mars: understanding that it will pay off down OWC Mars: the line in a larger readership and more OWC Mars: book/magazine/whatever sales. OWC Mars: roach> I think a lot of authors could OWC Mars: benefit from "selling' their reprints to OWC Mars: non-paying markets, for example. OWC Mars: roach> Yes, in a sense you "lose" OWC Mars: some rights when you have a story OWC Mars: published in a non-paying market. But OWC Mars: if it's a reprint, then you aren't really OWC Mars: losing much. OWC Mars: But what about authors who have not previously published? Araiused: Hey, FIJ! OWC Mars: roach> You aim high...start with the OWC Mars: paying, and work your way down (this OWC Mars: is if the $$$ is important to you). If you OWC Mars: are an unpublished author you have to OWC Mars: weigh the benefit of seeing your name OWC Mars: in lights to what it will do for your credit OWC Mars: down the line. OWC Mars: Hi Fij! FIJAGDH: Hi OWC Mars: We're talking with Roach... editor of JINTSU publishing now. OWC Mars: If you have any questions about getting OWC Mars: published online and elsewhere, Roach OWC Mars: is the lady to ask. OWC Mars: roach> I think it also depends on whether you respect the market or not. Kakaze: I'm audi. Kakaze: Night all! Kakaze: Slan slan! Araiused: Jaguar, Kak FIJAGDH: G'night Kak OWC Mars: Night Kak. OWC Mars: roach> Basically, I think authors OWC Mars: sometimes turn their noses up at non- OWC Mars: paying markets and don't see the other OWC Mars: ways they can pay off, if not OWC Mars: monetarilly. OWC Mars: So you don't place a piece in a non-paying market if you don't respect that market. OWC Mars: roach> Why would you want to be OWC Mars: published in a magazine/e-zine that OWC Mars: you didn't respect? If you'd be OWC Mars: embarrassed to tell people that you OWC Mars: were published there then it's defeated OWC Mars: the purpose of publishing.... OWC Mars: roach> If you're going to be published OWC Mars: in a magazine you don't like, at least OWC Mars: make sure /that/ pays. ;> OWC Mars: you have a point there, lol 8^D OWC Mars: Roach, how can a new author find out if OWC Mars: a publisher is reputable or not...wants OWC Mars: all the rights or not, is that in the OWC Mars: contract? OWC Mars: roach> That's my little rant for the evening... OWC Mars: Has anyone here ever considered publishing in a non-paying market? FIJAGDH: ^5 FIJAGDH: ! OWC Mars: You have Figgy? OWC Mars: Shoot. OWC Mars: roach> The author can check the OWC Mars: guidelines, there should be some OWC Mars: statement of what rights are being OWC Mars: bought. FIJAGDH: I have. I figured "you get what you pay for". OWC Mars: unwilling to say what rights they're buying, I'd be wary. FIJAGDH: ::noting that he has no viable writing talent::: OWC Mars: roach> As to whether the publisher is OWC Mars: reputable or not...well there are OWC Mars: standard practices that reputable OWC Mars: publishers engage in. Athanor IX: I have reached the same sad realization about myself. OWC Mars: Folks...protocol is not on at present. Chat away if that is your want. OWC Mars: roach> LOL. FIJAGDH: Yes, Ath, but we're both darn good readers, and, well, people like us. :::end Stuart FIJAGDH: Smalley moment::: OWC Mars: LOL Figgy. OWC Mars: roach> When I ran Jackhammer E- OWC Mars: zine, I often could tell those authors OWC Mars: who sent me their "bad" stories OWC Mars: because they thought that I would be OWC Mars: desperate for /anything/ (being a semi- OWC Mars: pro e-zine). These stories were almost OWC Mars: always badly written and got rejected. OWC Mars: roach> heh. OWC Mars: Speaking of submissions... Roach... Athanor IX: The dominoes are falling. OWC Mars: Can you tell us a little here about JINTSU... OWC Mars: and what kinds of submissions you're accepting now. OWC Mars: Just something general... we don't need the whole "writer's guidelines". OWC Mars: roach> Jintsu Eggplant's imprint for OWC Mars: electronic books, we pubished Lucy OWC Mars: others. OWC Mars: roach> Right now I'm looking for OWC Mars: speculative fiction novellas and short OWC Mars: novels, between 20,000 and 40,000 OWC Mars: words. OWC Mars: roach> Interested parties can check OWC Mars: out the guidelines at OWC Mars: http://www.eggplant- OWC Mars: productions.com/jintsu/guidelines.asp Araiused: 'Allo FIJAGDH: Re's Ara OWC Mars: Now when you say speculative fiction OWC Mars: that means you don't rule out what we Araiused: What are you doing with all the books you bought, Figgy? OWC Mars: usually call fantasy or horror, right?s OWC Mars: Res FIJAGDH: Eying them eagerly, Ara. OWC Mars: roach> That means the whole gamut, OWC Mars: from science fiction to fantasy to horror OWC Mars: and all points in between. OWC Mars: roach> We've published intellectual OWC Mars: science fiction (Boltzmann's Ghost) OWC Mars: and High Fantasy (Wistril Compleat) OWC Mars: and we'll be publish modern fantasy OWC Mars: (Etta Mae's Little Theory) Araiused: Sleep with them :) FIJAGDH: That's the plan. OWC Mars: LOL Ara. OWC Mars: LOL Fig. Araiused: I wish I had the time ... OWC Mars: 20,000 words...that's about how many typewritten pages? Just to give me an idea... OWC Mars: Ara...the time to read? Araiused: Yup, Mars. OWC Mars: I hear ya. OWC Mars: ack! OWC Mars: must do math! OWC Mars: Ack!? OWC Mars: Okay...they usually figure OWC Mars: there's about 250 words to a type OWC Mars: written page. OWC Mars: So that's about 80 pages. Araiused: Full-time job is taking me 7 hours 5 days a week Araiused: Come home, domestics, etc. done by 10 pm OWC Mars: Jintsu e-books have ranged from 29 to 98 pages so far. Athanor IX: Is that per double spaced page, or...? Araiused: Uusally too tired to even pick up a book... OWC Mars: 250 words per double spaced page. FIJAGDH: Yikes, Ara. I just disregard the domestic chores. OWC Mars: That's a very rough estimate. OWC Mars: I'm a big fan of the word count utility in OWC Mars: my word processessing program. FIJAGDH: Hi BLR Araiused: Can't do that, Figgy. Must have a tidy house. Araiused: Hey, BLR OWC Mars: So if someone had something they'd OWC Mars: written a few years ago and wanted to OWC Mars: haul it out they could brush it up and BLR WIZ: Hi Mars, Ara, Ath, Ruby, FIJ OWC Mars: submit it. OWC Mars: You only accept electronic submissions though, right? FIJAGDH: No problem here, Ara. Most of my houseguests are four-legged. OWC Mars: Hi BLR. OWC Mars: roach> Yep and yep. OWC Mars: roach> I'm a /mostly/ electronic publisher and I love e-mail submissions. OWC Mars: roach> Cut-n-paste is my friend. ;> Araiused: LOL, Figgy BLR WIZ: The Moon is my friend..... Araiused: Ruuuby, you awake? FIJAGDH: :::pokes aliengator::: RubyJade123: yeah RubyJade123: lol OWC Mars: Folks...do you have any other OWC Mars: questions about the rights you should OWC Mars: and shouldn't sell to a publisher OWC Mars: electronic or otherwise? OWC Mars: * roach gnaws at the duct tape. OWC Mars: LOL OWC Mars: Okay. Araiused: lol BLR WIZ: Gas and Oil rights? OWC Mars: hanks Roach...this is very important information. OWC Mars: I'm going to look through some old and hideous... OWC Mars: sf poetry I wrote 10 years ago and plague you with it. OWC Mars: You do publish SF poetry, don't you? FIJAGDH: LOL Mars BLR WIZ: LOL OWC Mars: roach> Well actually no... RubyJade123: ok, people, the aliengater needs sleep. she is falling asleep OWC Mars: roach> We have Spellbound which publishes fantasy poetry for children. BLR WIZ: Night Ruby FIJAGDH: G'night Ruby! OWC Mars: Nite Ruby OWC Mars: Do you shoot the poets? Araiused: Nite, Ruby OWC Mars: roach> Nah...I just point them in Marcie's direction. OWC Mars: roach> She's the poetry expert at the Eggplant Compound. OWC Mars: Well thanks for staying with us tonight for the added feature Roach. Araiused: Thanks, Roach!! Gandalara: bak :) Araiused: Re's Gand! BLR WIZ: Thx Roach Araiused: Gand's been hiding... BLR WIZ: Hi Gand FIJAGDH: Hey Gand Gandalara: Helping a newbie, Ara :) OWC Mars: roach> Thanks everyone for coming! Araiused: I wonder who that is, Gand :) Araiused: Hi, Patt! Patterner: Hi folks! Gandalara: Lady from work got her first computer, LOL OWC Mars: Hi Patt! FIJAGDH: Hi Patt Patterner: Hi FIJ! Hi Gand! Hi Ath! Hi Ara! Hi BLR! Hi Patterner: Mars! BLR WIZ: Hi Patt Araiused: Yeah, my co-worker got computer problems too Araiused: That's why I was distracted OWC Mars: Well, that was interesting. I had no idea that Eggplant-Productions had a poetry editor. OWC Mars: I was just joking when I threatened to send her some old stinky SF poetry. Patterner: Leno has dancing Osamas Gandalara: Ara - she sent me mail, asking how to do "this Instant Mail that everyone is talking Gandalara: about," LOL Araiused: Windows starts in safe mode and when she clicks Araiused: on normal, she comes to Windows 98 screen but it Araiused: just hangs ... Patterner: They're doing Singing in the Rain. Araiused: LOL, Patt Athanor IX: Keyboard problem? Araiused: I'm going to watch him later. Araiused: Startup problems, Ath. Araiused: Figgy has given good advice :) OWC Mars: Figgy always gives advice that sounds good, don't you Figgy? FIJAGDH: Yep, Ara. That hammer works every time. Araiused: She can start Windows in safe mode but other than that... OWC Mars: LOLOLOL OWC Mars: Sounds like it's time for a defrag and scan. Araiused: Can you defrag and scan in safe mode? OWC Mars: Yes. Araiused: And then restart? OWC Mars: Yes. OWC Mars: And then it wouldn't hurt to run the virus program. Araiused: What if that doesn't solve the problem? OWC Mars: Then it's time for Figgy's solution... or to take it in. Though... Araiused: lol Gandalara: A hammer sounds easier. :) OWC Mars: you might want to check with Techyo. FIJAGDH: Get a bigger hammer, Ara. Patterner: LOL Patterner: The hammer in my workroom is rawhide, I don't Patterner: think it would help much. OWC Mars: Personally...when it gets so bad that I'm getting SAFE OWC Mars: MODE more often than once every other month... it's OWC Mars: time for the shop. FIJAGDH: