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RobJSawyer:	Chris, hi!
ChrisJFle:	Hi
RobJSawyer:	I think that within the next few decades we likely WILL conquer death.  In which case, sure
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RobJSawyer:	why not live for ten billion years?  As Spider Robinson says, I want to live forever ... or
RobJSawyer:	die trying.
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T83BIRD:	Quantum mechanics don't blow my mind.  I consider the quantum theoretics reasonable.
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T83BIRD:	Mr. Sawyer, I've just finished reading FACTORING HUMANITY.  Hi TAM
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T83BIRD:	The "Overmind" is an intriguing concept.  Hi RAW
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TAMirabile:	?
RELMComet:	Yes TAM
TAMirabile:	What are you working on?
RobJSawyer:	Hi, TAM.  I'm working on a new novel, due at Tor on July 1.
RELMComet:	So Rob - What are you working on?
RELMComet:	Do you have a title?
RobJSawyer:	The working title is SOURCE CODE.  It's set in Toronto in the
RobJSawyer:	present day, and is, like my last few novels, a first-contact story.
RobJSawyer:	(I ran into writer Stephen Leigh at a party today; Steve and I both 
RobJSawyer:	agreed that first contact was an endlessly fertile ground for stories.
RobJSawyer:	)
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Wst1955dd:	?
T83BIRD:	Who's next, Comet?
RELMComet:	Yes Wst?
Wst1955dd:	was it Builder of Infinity, the one about nanites invading the moon,
Wst1955dd:	which you co authored
Wst1955dd:	?
RobJSawyer:	ASSEMBLERS OF INFINITY was by my good friends Kevin J. Anderson and Doug Beason.  I didn't
RobJSawyer:	write any part of it -- but it was a great book!  I've never collaborated with anyone on 
RobJSawyer:	fiction.
RELMComet:	T8 - You had a question?
RobJSawyer:	(My novels are Golden Fleece, Far-Seer, Fossil Hunter, Foreigner,
T83BIRD:	Yes. Is there any way to demonstrate the actuality of the overmind?
RobJSawyer:	End of an Era, The Terminal Experiment, Starplex, Frameshift,
RobJSawyer:	Illegal Alien, Factoring Humanity, Flashforward, and Source Code.
RobJSawyer:	T83, good question!
RobJSawyer:	(He's referring to the central concept in my current Hugo finalist,
RobJSawyer:	FACTORING HUMANITY.)  I'm not sure if there is a way to prove
RobJSawyer:	whether or not an overmind exists; I'd like to think it does, but I can't think
RobJSawyer:	of an empeircal experiment that might prove its existence.
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RELMComet:	What do you think is the future of SF as a Written genre?
RELMComet:	Is it on an upswing or decline or stable?
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RELMComet:	NOT have his books labeled SF as they would be hidden in the back
RELMComet:	of the bookstore - This Author prefered the term TechnoThriller.
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RobJSawyer:	Well, technothriller and SF are two distinct genres.
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RobJSawyer:	Technothriller is almost always set in the present day, and tends
RobJSawyer:	to be driven by technology, rather than by character -- I think the
RobJSawyer:	best SF transcends the constraints of the technothriller genre.
RobJSawyer:	That said, I think you're previous guest is right to be concerned 
RobJSawyer:	about the future of SF.  I'm enormously concerned about it.  My own
RobJSawyer:	publisher, Tor, the largest and most successful SF publisher in the
RobJSawyer:	world has cut back from 20 titles a month to 12; HarperPrism has
RobJSawyer:	cut their line right in half.  Even as SF films are setting new
RobJSawyer:	records, as we move into the 21st century, as we continue the
RobJSawyer:	unmanned exploration of Mars, as Hubble shows us the wonders
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RobJSawyer:	of the universe, the audience for SF is getting smaller, not bigger.
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RobJSawyer:	I'm afraid the genre is dying, and it concerns me greatly. over.
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Plmckissic:	Is this because people are too lazy to read, do you think? That they would rather go see a 
Plmckissic:	movie rather than read the story?
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RobJSawyer:	I think there are a couple of reasons.
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RobJSawyer:	First, what we SF fans used to get from reading SF, people are now getting from movies and
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RobJSawyer:	and games and being online.  Is that lazieness, or just that THE MATRIX can actually show
RELMComet:	wb Kyr
RobJSawyer:	effects better than we writers can describe them now?  I don't know.  Second, STAR WARS
RobJSawyer:	convinced the world that SF was just escapism, just dumb adventure, and utterly 
RobJSawyer:	unconnected to people's real lives ("A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away ...").  THE
RobJSawyer:	PHANTOM MENACE just reinforces that, I'm afraid.  So, SF is not perceived anymore as
RobJSawyer:	a serious literature -- the days when LeGuin and Delany were the exemplars are long gone.
RobJSawyer:	It's very sad, in my view.  over
RELMComet:	Ardath?
Ardath Bay:	Stuff that is SF isn't marketed as SF (ex. Micheal Chrichton's stuff)...
Ardath Bay:	...this is probably an attempt to non-Ghettoize the literature as a whole.
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Kyryn:	<?> Hasn't SF always been looked down apon by the literary elitests
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RobJSawyer:	But, in a way, Crichton in anti-SF; he tells stories in which science fails.  And there are
RobJSawyer:	far more people who would like to read about science as our enemy than want to read
RobJSawyer:	about science as our friend <grin>.  I wish I had Crichton's sales, but I'm glad that I
RobJSawyer:	don't demonize science in my work. over
RobJSawyer:	Kryn, yes -- and we could tolerate that when there were lots of people reading SF
RobJSawyer:	anyway.  Now that SF is not being read nearly as much as it used to, the lack of respect
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RobJSawyer:	really does hurt.  The field is in danger of going the way of other passe, disrespected
RELMComet:	Wb T8
T83BIRD:	Re's all
RobJSawyer:	genres such as western and horror.
Kyryn:	<!>but the total number of SF readers is up isn't it, not just the %
T83BIRD:	Was punted & could not get back.  Apologies, Mr. Sawyer.
RobJSawyer:	The total number of SF readers is way down, Kyrn.  The circulations of the SF magazines are
RobJSawyer:	half of what they were in the 1980s; the average SF paperback sells 20,000 copies today when
JTOWN1737:	<!?>
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RobJSawyer:	it sold 40,000 five years ago.  In absolute numbers, SF is taking a drubbing. over
RELMComet:	Yes JTO?
RobJSawyer:	(T83BIRD:  call me Rob <grin>.)
RELMComet:	:)
JTOWN1737:	I have both a comment & a question.  As things described in older sf become today's fact, 
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T83BIRD:	Ok Rob
JTOWN1737:	do today's writers have to create more fantastic, implausable work?
ChrisJFle:	<?>
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JTOWN1737:	In order to impress and imbue w/a sense of wonder?
RELMComet:	Noting Chris
RobJSawyer:	Good question!  It certainly is harder to achieve the sense of wonder than it used to be.
RobJSawyer:	People are blase about science.  On the other hand, is nanotechnology really any more
RobJSawyer:	implausible today than interplanetary travel was in Wells's day?  Personally, I enjoy
RobJSawyer:	playing with quantum physics in my work (see the short stories on my web site at
RobJSawyer:	www.sfwriter.com for some examples), and that's plenty weird enough to blow most
RobJSawyer:	people's minds while not being the least bit implausible or fantastic; rather, it really is
RobJSawyer:	the way the universe works.  over
RELMComet:	Yes Kyr?
Kyryn:	<?>In quoting your numbers are you differentiating between SF
T83BIRD:	!
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Kyryn:	and Fantasy, I tend to consider them one and the same
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Kyryn:	with regard to Clarkes Law
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Diana2020:	heyla!
T83BIRD:	Hi Diana, Omega
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RobJSawyer:	All genre fiction book sales are down by 50 percent, due to consolidation of the 
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Diana2020:	hi, bird!
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Omegawidow:	Hi Comet, T83, everyone.
RobJSawyer:	independent-distribution channel for books.  In magazines, the SF magazines have seen
RobJSawyer:	their circulations cut in half.  There really weren't any pure-fantasy magazines in the 1980
RobJSawyer:	but MZB's and Realms of Fantasy are flat -- no growth.  There are fantasy writers making
RobJSawyer:	the major bestsellers' lists, but no SF ones.  Neal Stephenson might be the first
RobJSawyer:	SF writer to make major lists with a non-media-tie-in SF book, if CRYPTONOMICON
RobJSawyer:	performs up to expectations (it was number 10 on the GLOBE AND MAIL bestseller list
RobJSawyer:	here in Canada yesterday). over
JTOWN1737:	Hello all I didn't greet individualy
RELMComet:	lol HI JTO - Go ahead Chris
Kyryn:	<?> I assume you only refer to the Times BS list
ChrisJFle:	Jt's comment about implausibility=wonder made me think of this: in your book STARPLEX, your
ChrisJFle:	main character will live to be 10 billion years old. I was curious, is this something you
RobJSawyer:	Kyrn, NY TIMES, LA TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, TORONTO GLOBE AND MAIL; the major
ChrisJFle:	believe to be possible, or just a wild, fun yarn?
RobJSawyer:	North American bestseller lists -- the only ones that actually effect sales.
RobJSawyer:	Chris, hi!
ChrisJFle:	Hi
RobJSawyer:	I think that within the next few decades we likely WILL conquer death.  In which case, sure
Kyryn:	<?>
RELMComet:	<noting kyr>
Ardath Bay:	<?>
RobJSawyer:	why not live for ten billion years?  As Spider Robinson says, I want to live forever ... or
RobJSawyer:	die trying.
JTOWN1737:	<!>
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RELMComet:	lol
RELMComet:	T8?
T83BIRD:	Quantum mechanics don't blow my mind.  I consider the quantum theoretics reasonable.
RELMComet:	Noting JTO
RobJSawyer:	Ah, come now, T83!  You know the old saying:   if quantum mechanics makes
RobJSawyer:	sense to you, you didn't understand it <grin>.
ChrisJFle:	<!>
Diana2020:	lol
RELMComet:	<noting Chris>
RELMComet:	Kyr?
Kyryn:	<?>what about publishers weekly or the major store listings,waldenbooks, border,etc.
T83BIRD:	That one is for mystics, I think, Rob.  I'm not a mystic.
Kyryn:	Those lists don't count
RobJSawyer:	PW is okay; the Walden, Borders, etc., tend to follow the NY TIMES, not the other way
RobJSawyer:	around.  Making ANY list is good, but only making the ones I mentioned will make you rich.
Kyryn:	Turning over to Kyryn-her
RobJSawyer:	Regardless, the question was whether SF sales are down.  They are.  
RobJSawyer:	over
RELMComet:	Ardath?
Ardath Bay:	I tend to stick by the old faves (Pohl, Delany, Farmer, Disch)...are these folks affected
RobJSawyer:	Yes.  EVERYONE is effect.  Delany sells in miniscule numbers this day; Disch left the
Ardath Bay:	by the slump in sales as well?  I'd find that VERY distressing indeed!
RobJSawyer:	field altogether.
Diana2020:	<?>
RELMComet:	<note> I recently visited Chalkers website and he says similar
RELMComet:	<noting Diana>
Wst1955dd:	?
T83BIRD:	<?>
RobJSawyer:	Half of all books sellin non-bookstore outlets, and genre books no longer appear in those
JTOWN1737:	I'd think that living 10 billion yrs would entail an incredible slowing of the aging
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RAWoodward:	</Lurk OFF> <?>
RobJSawyer:	outlets.  Yes, Jack Chalker got hammered in the down-sizing by his own reports; Spider
JTOWN1737:	process, and could get boring
RELMComet:	<Noting RAW>
RobJSawyer:	Robinson went public saying his publisher had asked him to take a forty percent cut in
Kyryn:	<!>
RobJSawyer:	advances.  EVERYONE is affected; the field is in dire straits.
RobJSawyer:	over
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RAWoodward:	An entirely different subject; in _Foreigner_ the epilogue says that we are getting a visit,
RAWoodward:	when?
RELMComet:	JTO?
JTOWN1737:	oops, scroll up
RobJSawyer:	(Living 10 billion years would entail STOPPING aging, not slowing it; in STARPLEX, Keith's
RELMComet:	ok - Chris after RAW I suppose
RobJSawyer:	body was replaced with an artificial one that didn't age at all.)
ChrisJFle:	gotcha ;)
JTOWN1737:	Apologies to our guest, my mind is a lot faster than my fingers
RobJSawyer:	Hi, RAW.  I'd LOVE to write more about the Quintaglios.  Those books are out-of-print from
RobJSawyer:	Ace right now.  If I can place them with Tor or another publisher, I'll agree to write a new
ChrisJFle:	<!>
RobJSawyer:	book in the Quintaglio series.  Tor IS buying backlist from me: they are reissuing my 
JTOWN1737:	<?>
RobJSawyer:	first novel GOLDEN FLEECE in October.  If that goes well, I hope they'll buy more of
RobJSawyer:	my out-of-print titles, including hopefully the Quintaglio trilogy.  But it would be economi
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RobJSawyer:	suicide to write a fourth book in a series in whcih the first three are out of print.
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RobJSawyer:	The rights to FAR-SEER, FOSSIL HUNTER, and FOREIGNER have reverted to me, thought.
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Kyryn:	 Moon's up.  Blessed Be All
RELMComet:	Nite Kyr
RobJSawyer:	Hopefully I'll be able to place them elswehere soon.
ChrisJFle:	nite Kyr
RELMComet:	Chris Go ahead noting JTO
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ChrisJFle:	This may be  a little late now, but quantum mechanics tends to blow my mind in how much it
ChrisJFle:	reminds me of the Ptolemaic model of the solar system. It oftem seems to me that
ChrisJFle:	physiscists don't *really* know exactly what is going on, so it just gets enourmously
ChrisJFle:	complicated
RobJSawyer:	Jt:  if you get bored of life, you don't have to go on living it.  But here I sit about
RobJSawyer:	halfway through my own life, and I'm not even one percent through the thinks I want to
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Araiused:	Evening folks
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RobJSawyer:	do.  Judith Merril once told me that only a young person could say immortality was
RobJSawyer:	boring.  I think she's probably right <grin>.
RELMComet:	Diana?
Diana2020:	You said that Fantasy reaches the lists more often.  I read and purchase both.  Don't most 
Diana2020:	most fans do the same?
RobJSawyer:	Chris, check out John G. Cramer's transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Diana2020:	I like both magic and science
RobJSawyer:	It's an enormous simplification of the whole messy thing, and I rather like it.  I use it
ChrisJFle:	I'll do that. Simplification sounds just fine to me. thanks!
RobJSawyer:	in my new novel FLASHFORWARD.  Cramer is one of the science columnists for ANALOG;
RobJSawyer:	No, most fans don't read SF and fantasy equally.  In fact, most read one or the other.
RobJSawyer:	It's just the way it is.  (Also, remember, fans in the fannish sense are a tiny fraction of 
RobJSawyer:	the readership.)  More and more bookstores are in fact separating fantasy and SF precisely
RobJSawyer:	because these buyer-loyatly programs (your Waldenbooks or Chapters club card) are
RobJSawyer:	showing there's little overlap in the readerships.
RobJSawyer:	over
RELMComet:	T8?
T83BIRD:	What may be some of the main reasons for the slump in SF sales?
Diana2020:	again, I am unique, thank you :-)
RELMComet:	lol Diana
RobJSawyer:	It's best to be unique!  <grin>
Araiused:	!
RELMComet:	<noting Ara>
RobJSawyer:	Media tie-ins taking over the shelf space.  People getting their sensawunder from movies and
RobJSawyer:	TV.  Really good science nonfiction writers like Gould, Dawkins, and others filling the need
T83BIRD:	Belated Hi's to Ara and Shadow.
RobJSawyer:	for big-ideas science speculation.  Too many endless series.  Too many crappy books.
RobJSawyer:	over
RELMComet:	Wst?
T83BIRD:	Thanks for the answer, Rob.
Wst1955dd:	in Starplex, you broke fromthe male naming and introduced a character called "Karendaughter"
Wst1955dd:	were you making a gender astatement or having fun with the characters names?
RobJSawyer:	A gender statement.  It was clear that Lianne's parents or grandparents had been
RobJSawyer:	radical feminists.  Lianne is VERY sexy in the novel, and I wanted to make the statement
ChrisJFle:	<?>
RELMComet:	<noting Chris>
RobJSawyer:	that being a feminist and being feminine are not mutually incompatible. over
RELMComet:	JTO?
RobJSawyer:	(Another Lianne, incidentally, was one of the sexiest girls in my junior high school ...)
Diana2020:	lol
RELMComet:	lol
T83BIRD:	LOL
Wst1955dd:	the cats out now ;-)
ChrisJFle:	lol
RELMComet:	JTO Go Ahead
RELMComet:	OK Ara?
Araiused:	Then I am sharing your uniqueness, Diana.  I do read both good SF and fantasy.
Diana2020:	:-)
RobJSawyer:	(Lots of people read SF and fantasy; lots read mystery and SF; lots read romance and
Wst1955dd:	<me also read both>
Araiused:	?
RELMComet:	Futher Comment Ara?
RobJSawyer:	computer science.  But the majority read only one.)
JTOWN1737:	Rob, are your titles listed on the website?
Shadowjakk:	Shared uniqueness...like a cult of individualists. :)
Araiused:	Is there no uniqueness any more in SF?
Diana2020:	lol, shad
RobJSawyer:	JT, you bet!  www.sfwriter.com has sample chapters, readers' group guides, cover art,
Araiused:	Thumbs up for uniqueness, Comet!
RELMComet:	lol
RobJSawyer:	and more for all eleven of my novels, plus the two anthologies I coedited.
JTOWN1737:	cool:)
RELMComet:	Books By Robert J. Sawyer: Factoring Humanity,
RELMComet:	Illegal Alien, Frameshift, Starplex, The Terminal Experiment,
RELMComet:	End of an Era, Golden Fleece and the Quintaglio Books:
RELMComet:	Far-Seer, Fossil Hunter and Foreigner
RELMComet:	Chris Yer Up
RobJSawyer:	(Flashforward is the latest hardcover; Factoring Humanity -- a Hugo finalist -- the
ChrisJFle:	Were old B-rated sci-fi movies a big influence for END OF AN ERA? It's one of my favorites,
RobJSawyer:	latest paperback.)
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RELMComet:	HI Phx
ChrisJFle:	in how well you handled so many incedible ideas and concepts
T83BIRD:	Hi Phx
RELMComet:	*** Robert J. Sawyer - Tonight at O*W*C! ***
RELMComet:	In honor of our Guest we will refrain from free chatting
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RobJSawyer:	END OF AN ERA is my favorite of all my novels.  But I don't really think b-movies were
RELMComet:	I will call on you in order.
RELMComet:	We will open the chat for the second hour.
JTOWN1737:	::::::gonna hit the ole library::::::::
RobJSawyer:	a big influcence for me.  Rather, the influences were other books:  Hal Clement's NEEDLE,
RELMComet:	LAter JTO
RobJSawyer:	James P. Hogan's INHERIT THE STARS.  Oh, yeah, and the movie FIVE MILLION YEARS
JTOWN1737:	not right now, Comet!!
Diana2020:	<?>
RELMComet:	ah - sorry;)
RELMComet:	Yes Diana - go ahead
RobJSawyer:	TO EARTH (aka QUATERMASS AND THE PIT).  I never really liked B-films.
RobJSawyer:	Thanks for the kind words, though! over
ChrisJFle:	i see. END OF AN ERA was one of the most surprising books I've read
Wst1955dd:	<good flick>
Diana2020:	When I purchase your books from a used book store, do you get royalties?
RobJSawyer:	JT: start with FACTORING HUMANITY or TERMINAL EXPERIMENT, if you've never
RobJSawyer:	read me before.
T83BIRD:	<!>
Araiused:	?
Ardath Bay:	You gotta love the QUATERMASS flicks!
T83BIRD:	In FACTORING HUMAMN
RELMComet:	Interesting choise of Words - It is the way I describe Rob's books, Chris
RELMComet:	<noting T8>
RobJSawyer:	Diana, no, the author gets zero royalties --  not one cent -- if you buy the book used.
T83BIRD:	Sorry Comet. Error in typing
ChrisJFle:	cool, comet. great minds think alike : )
JTOWN1737:	Thanks, Rob!
RobJSawyer:	We authors are VERY grateful when you buy our books new, though! <smile>
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RELMComet:	<noting Ara>
RELMComet:	Hello PATT/ MArilee
Patterner:	Hi folks!
RobJSawyer:	over
RELMComet:	In honor of our Guest we will refrain from free chatting
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Diana2020:	hehe
RELMComet:	I will call on you in order.
RELMComet:	We will open the chat for the second hour.
RELMComet:	*** Robert J. Sawyer - Tonight at O*W*C! ***
RobJSawyer:	(Quatermass rules!)
T83BIRD:	In FACTORING HUMANITY, thanks for avoiding paranoia over alien arrival.
T83BIRD:	Trigger happy, Comet.  Apologies.
RELMComet:	NP T8 - Go ahead Ara
RobJSawyer:	My pleasure, T8.  I suspect we will welcome aliens with open arms if/when they finally
RobJSawyer:	show up.
Diana2020:	maybe i could get your out of prints there (used) only?
Araiused:	How does the majority handle the fantasy elements in SF?
ChrisJFle:	unless they be Kzinti or Klingons ;)
Wst1955dd:	<paranoia is a main element in alien contact>
Ardath Bay:	The aliens would be booked on Leno in a week!
Araiused:	LOL, Ard
RobJSawyer:	I don't object to people being my out-of-print books used.
Diana2020:	hehe
RELMComet:	That is how I got Golden Fleece;)
Diana2020:	:-)
RobJSawyer:	That's how I get my copies of GOLDEN FLEECE these days, too!
RELMComet:	OK 10:00 and the list is clear
RELMComet:	Rob do you want a break?
RobJSawyer:	Ara, I'm not sure I understand your question ...
Araiused:	I haven't got my answer yet
RELMComet:	ah Ara
RobJSawyer:	RELM, if I could have a minute or so for a pitstop <grin> ...
RELMComet:	sure;)
RobJSawyer:	As Arnold said, I'll be baaaack ....
RELMComet:	Ara - I will let you go first when he returns
RELMComet:	Sorry bout that
Phx8:	I shall return
Omegawidow:	Hmmm, that works out well for a cigarette break, too. <g>
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T83BIRD:	bye Phx
RELMComet:	lol Omega
RELMComet:	In honor of our Canadian Guest...
Araiused:	Well, the majority read only SF but some SF has some 
Araiused:	fantasy elements.  How do they see it, as pseudo science?
RELMComet:	This weeks Snack: BackBacon and Beer
RELMComet:	c(_) O c(_) O c(_) O c(_) O c(_) O c(_) O
ChrisJFle:	yea, I can actually manage to pay attention to my movie :)
Araiused:	Later, phx
RAWoodward:	And now that our guest is absent, Hi, Patt
Ardath Bay:	LENO: "So, Quox...what's it like to breathe liqueid sodium...pretty rough, huh?"
ChrisJFle:	Hiya all here!
Wst1955dd:	backbacon jokes.......shame
RELMComet:	Thx Wst:)
Diana2020:	what in the heck is backbacon?
Wst1955dd:	yummy
RELMComet:	Diana - In the US it is called CANADIAN bacon
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RELMComet:	Hello DH
Diana2020:	AH!
ChrisJFle:	SLaughterhouse 5 is even more confusing when you look away every minute
RELMComet:	Tonight we are talking to Robert J. Sawyer.
RELMComet:	His Recent Paperback releases Include ILLEGAL ALIEN
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RELMComet:	and FACTORING HUMANITY.
Araiused:	Hi DH
RELMComet:	FLASH FORWARD is due out in May in Hardcover.
RELMComet:	Let us welcome this award winning author.
Ardath Bay:	Is back bacon something like long pork?
TAMirabile:	no Ard
Wst1955dd:	its from the back of the pig
Diana2020:	lol
RELMComet:	:)
JTOWN1737:	<~~~~~loves Canadian bacon>
Diana2020:	so you eat the canadian bacon and drink beer?
Wst1955dd:	a smoke, a wee, and bacon......ready.....
RELMComet:	lol - It is from Bob and Doug McKenzie of SCTV
Wst1955dd:	yes...a brew
T83BIRD:	Only one brand of Cb is avaiable here.
Diana2020:	ah
JTOWN1737:	I eat the canadian bacon & drink milk :)
TAMirabile:	boombangers coming up----I may have to read the rest in
TAMirabile:	the log-----if I disappear, that's why
Patterner:	Ack, TAM!
RELMComet:	K Tam
Wst1955dd:	elksnore beer?
Diana2020:	I think they should try their brew with tacos, eh?
Plmckissic:	EEEK, TAM!
TerryDiane:	      How does back bacon equate w/ Canadian?!
T83BIRD:	Yuk TAM
RELMComet:	Thank you all for being so polite tonight
ChrisJFle:	boombangers? what're they?
Araiused:	Thundering
RELMComet:	TD I have no Idea;)
T83BIRD:	Thunderboomers, Chris
Wst1955dd:	T-storms
Diana2020:	We are adults, comet, sheeesh :-)
ChrisJFle:	ahhh...
ChrisJFle:	technically, Diana!
Diana2020:	hehe
Patterner:	Well, we don't know that for sure, Diana!
RELMComet:	lol Diana - You do us proud though<g>
Wst1955dd:	either that or a new sex toy
T83BIRD:	Hi Patt
JTOWN1737:	They're wind breakers
ChrisJFle:	I been a adult on 2 years now!
RELMComet:	lol
Patterner:	Well, I figure I don't have to grow up as long as I don't get married.
Araiused:	What do you think of the transformation, Chris?
RELMComet:	lol Patt
JTOWN1737:	Me too, Patt
T83BIRD:	LOL Patt
Ardath Bay:	TECHNICALLY, I've been an adult 13 years.  In actuality, I still have a long way to go!
RobJSawyer:	I'm back!
Plmckissic:	Yep, that'll mature ya REAL fast, Patt. Mostly around the eyes.
Wst1955dd:	better grow up now, after you're married you're treated like a child
ChrisJFle:	Well, I got to vote and smoke. Drinking comes in 2 years.
RELMComet:	Chris dont rush it;)
ChrisJFle:	I'm a Toy R Us kid!
RELMComet:	lol
JTOWN1737:	At two months short of 36 yrs, I think marriage is unlikely
Diana2020:	scroll up and you can read how we really are, Rob
ChrisJFle:	LOL
RELMComet:	lol Diana
Plmckissic:	LOL
Shadowjakk:	Marriage *is* unlikely...but it's still an observable 
Shadowjakk:	phenomenon.
Diana2020:	<--married 17 years
RELMComet:	Im Sure Shadow LOL
Plmckissic:	Well, you could get married, JT, or struck by lightening!
ChrisJFle:	Rob- So you would really write a new Quintaglio book? I read somewherew that originally it
ChrisJFle:	was just to be one book
T83BIRD:	Rob, do you know of any worthwhile projections on contact with aliens?
TerryDiane:	Observable phenomenon?  Not quantom marriage?
RELMComet:	Chris I dont think hes back yet;)
JTOWN1737:	I have the sex appeal of a train wreck and am as romantic as a block of ice
RobJSawyer:	Chris, yes.  I'm quite fond of the Quintaglios.  I admit to feeling burned out after
Wst1955dd:	marriage is the only licensed servitude left
Araiused:	He is, Comet!
RELMComet:	Missed that;)
Diana2020:	bird, holographic projections? :-)
RobJSawyer:	writing three books about them in a row.  But it's been six years now since I wrote any
Shadowjakk:	LOL, TD.
RobJSawyer:	new Quintaglio fiction, and I'm ready to go back and do another book about them as soon
T83BIRD:	By scientific writers, Diana.
Araiused:	T, download that screen saver from Planetary Society.
Diana2020:	ah
RAWoodward:	And speaking of Quintaglio titles, I really wanted to know when they arrive in the Solar
Araiused:	Your computer can play a role in the SETI project
RAWoodward:	System, not when the next book will come out
RobJSawyer:	as the publishing details can be worked out.
Araiused:	I've registered but I have not downloaded the screensaver yet.
Plmckissic:	brb
ChrisJFle:	Great. Read FARSEER back in the day when I was still a dino-nut, I loved it!
RobJSawyer:	You mean what year the Quintaglios arrive at Earth?  Essentially the present day.
T83BIRD:	Thanks for the tip, Ara.
Ardath Bay:	:::Picturing Harryhausen stop-motion Quintaglios::::
RELMComet:	So Ara did you get your question answered?
RELMComet:	lol Ardath!
ChrisJFle:	What made you pick T-rex for an intelligent dinosaur?
ChrisJFle:	LOL Ard
T83BIRD:	Rob, I'm seriously interested in the matter of possible actual contact with aliens.
T83BIRD:	Not the UFO nut kind.
RobJSawyer:	Oops!  Sorry, Ara!   Yeah, I think we tend to look at the fantasy elements as bad science,
Araiused:	I think I answered it myself, Comet :)
RELMComet:	Ah Ara
RobJSawyer:	an incursion of mysticism that weakens the story.
RobJSawyer:	Chirs, first, Troodon et al had been done to death; second, it's not actually T. rex; it's
RobJSawyer:	Nanontyrannus; third, top predators are often the most intelligent.
ChrisJFle:	True, Tooden would be dull
ChrisJFle:	well, it was better than the spacefaring hadrosaurs they had on Voyager
RobJSawyer:	T83, I'm seriously interested too, but agree that the UFO stuff is all bunk.
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RobJSawyer:	Yes, space-faring hadrosaurs are like space-faring cattle -- highly unlikely.
Ardath Bay:	It takes more brains to take down prey than to munch leaves.  Vegetarians, take note.
T83BIRD:	bye Missie
Araiused:	Hi Missie
Patterner:	LOL Ard
Diana2020:	hehe
TAMirabile:	lol Ard
RobJSawyer:	Ardath: hee hee hee
RELMComet:	lol
Wst1955dd:	why not a smart veggie?  in WRThompson, Kya series his are grasseaters......
T83BIRD:	oofda Ard
ChrisJFle:	I dunno, it take will power and determination to swalloe Tofu, Ard
Plmckissic:	bak
Patterner:	LOL
T83BIRD:	re's Plm
TerryDiane:	It takes a lot of brains to even invent tofu...
Ardath Bay:	LOL
Diana2020:	doesn't tofu cause cancer?
RELMComet:	You have a lot of Canadian references and settings in
Wst1955dd:	it takes brain to belive that bull that bad tasing stuff is good for you
RELMComet:	your books. Does this limit your readership?
RobJSawyer:	Larry Niven was the first to observe that vegetarians aren't likely to become intelligent.
Plmckissic:	I LOVE tofu
Plmckissic:	smothered in t-bone
Patterner:	LOL
TAMirabile:	lol
RELMComet:	lol Plm
T83BIRD:	lol Plm
Wst1955dd:	hamburger tofu helper anyone
ChrisJFle:	But Niven did have intelligent herbivores, on Ringworld. Albiet descened from omnivores
RobJSawyer:	RELM, gently, you'd never say to an American author, hey, you've got a lot of American
TerryDiane:	Tofu au jus.
RAWoodward:	I thought that _omnivores_ were more intelligent than carnivores
ChrisJFle:	LOL Plm
Shadowjakk:	This question may have been asked, but...since SF is seen 
Shadowjakk:	by most genre critics as, largely, the province of American 
Shadowjakk:	writers, do you feel that Canada is (as is, unfortunately, 
Shadowjakk:	often the case) lumped together with the US?
RELMComet:	<Rob will note WE are a SILLY bunch> :)
RobJSawyer:	references in your books.  Toronto is hardly a backwater; it's a city of three million
T83BIRD:	Agreed, Rob. Empathy for empathy.  Fair is fair.
Patterner:	Rob, and for a good author, if there's phrases you don't understand, you ask..
Patterner:	about them on rec.arts.sf.fandom. )
Araiused:	Is Canadian SF only centred in Toronto?
TAMirabile:	Comet of one of a couple of us who could get away with the Canadian comment
RobJSawyer:	people, and one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world.  As far as I can
RELMComet:	lol TAM<g>
Patterner:	Yeah, but James said Kitchener was out in the middle of nowhere, and it's as close to...
Patterner:	Toronto as my city is to DC and 10 times as large.
RELMComet:	True Patt
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RobJSawyer:	tell, the Canadian settings haven't hurt me in the least in the U.S., and have helped
T83BIRD:	bye Chris
Ardath Bay:	<-----born in Thunder Bay.  Relcoated to the US at the age of 8.  
RobJSawyer:	me break out into the mainstream in Canada.  (Kithcener is an hour's drive from Toronto.)
Patterner:	Yep. :)
TerryDiane:	I live in rochester NY.  We're trying to start up a ferry across Ontario to Toronto.
Patterner:	It's about 45 minutes from here to DC, but there's an interstate.
RobJSawyer:	My SF has been set all over Canada, but mostly in Toronto.  Rochester! I'm there all the
Diana2020:	<--never been to Canada
RELMComet:	<NOTE: My mother brought RJSawyer to my attention after a CANADA AM interview
RobJSawyer:	time -- my family has a vacation home on Canandaigua Lake!
Patterner:	I went to Canada for James Nichol's party and met Rob there, as well as..
Patterner:	other folks I know from online.
TAMirabile:	We run over to Windsor all the time
T83BIRD:	I've been to Toronto, too. I have to second what Rob says.
RobJSawyer:	Yes, Canada AM has been very good to me -- and tomorrow (Monday) I'll be on CBC TV's
JTOWN1737:	<~~~~~born in NJ but my father was Canadian (Saskatoon, SK) and have many relatives there>
RobJSawyer:	MIDDAY for the second time in a month.
Diana2020:	<----feel like a lowly Texan
TerryDiane:	I have friends and family there, beautiful town.
RAWoodward:	Time for me to go ...
RAWoodward:	<insert 'snd ' resource #257 "Goodbye">
OnlineHost:	ÒChrisJFleÓ has entered the room.
RELMComet:	Nite RAW
T83BIRD:	Nite RAW
TAMirabile:	nite RAW
ChrisJFle:	I really hate AOL...
Araiused:	Nite, RAW
Shadowjakk:	Since a fair amount of SF is set, largely, offplanet, or in an 
Shadowjakk:	unrecognizeable future milieu, I'd guess Canadian settings 
T83BIRD:	re's Chris
Plmckissic:	Nite RAW
Shadowjakk:	shouldn't be a major issue.
Araiused:	WB, Chris
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RobJSawyer:	(Most of Cliff Simak's fiction was set in rural Minnesota; an order of magnitude more people
RELMComet:	Great ROB - TV does have its uses
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RobJSawyer:	have been to Toronto than have ever been to rural Minnesota.)
Plmckissic:	<----Air Force brat - lived everywhere!
Diana2020:	<sigh>
RELMComet:	<--Army BRat, Plm;)
JTOWN1737:	Night RAW
RobJSawyer:	Shadowjack, I've been setting most of my stuff on Earth these days, because it sells
TAMirabile:	Any idea when Midday is on in Windsor?
Wst1955dd:	<---air force&army brat
TerryDiane:	In Toronto few weeks ago to see THE PHANTOM!!
TAMirabile:	noonish?
Patterner:	LOL Rob
RELMComet:	Good Idea Rob - Money is KEY
Plmckissic:	LOL TAM
RobJSawyer:	better to non-SF readers.  MIDDAY is on at noon, coast-to-coast, on CBC TV.
Patterner:	I liked STARPLEX, though.
ChrisJFle:	Any chance for a STARPLEX sequel?
Shadowjakk:	Sure...a lot of the better work in the genre has moved back 
Shadowjakk:	Earthside in the past decade and a half.
TAMirabile:	Thanks, I'll watch
Wst1955dd:	loved the 'pigs' in starplex
RELMComet:	I liked TERMINAL EXPERIMENT best so far
RobJSawyer:	Shadowjack:  but even when it's off-earth, I sneak in Canadian references (even in the final
RobJSawyer:	QUINTALGIO book).
Diana2020:	brb nad
ChrisJFle:	Great, now I have to read FORIEGNOR agai...
Omegawidow:	Really, Rob?  Do you have any guesses as to why an Earth setting would do better?
RobJSawyer:	If STARPLEX had won either the Hugo or Nebula (it was nominated for both) I might have
RobJSawyer:	done a sequel.  But it didn't <pout>.  I actually had a contract for a second STARPLEX
T83BIRD:	Omega, most of us Earthers are terracentric.
RELMComet:	So ROB - How can you say you are CANADAS only FT SF Writer?
RobJSawyer:	book; the title was going to be THE GRAND OLD MAN OF PHYSICS.  But I decided to
RobJSawyer:	write ILLEGAL ALIEN instead.
ChrisJFle:	Well, at least you aren't guilty of the aforementioned crappy, endless series
Patterner:	I think he also qualifies that with "native born," Comet.
RELMComet:	Right Patt
Diana2020:	b
RobJSawyer:	RELMComet:  I've never said that in my life.  And it was the Sci-Fi Channel in an episode
RELMComet:	What about DeLint and guy Kavrial Kay?
Patterner:	Rob, I really liked ILLEGAL ALIEN until the last few pages.  Weren't the new aliens...
Patterner:	kind of cheat?
RobJSawyer:	of SCIE-FI BUZZ, that dubbed me "Canada's only native-born full-time science-fiction writer.
RELMComet:	Aha - I see;)
RobJSawyer:	DeLint and Kay are fantasy writers, not SF; de Lint was born in the Netherlands, not Canada.
RELMComet:	Thx Rob
ChrisJFle:	SCI_FI Channel- everyone else's canceled sci-fi shows
RobJSawyer:	Patterner, certainly not in my opinion. 
RELMComet:	Chris and Psychic chat
Patterner:	It really seemed to me that a big hard question was suddenly solved..
ChrisJFle:	Hello? Yes?
Patterner:	by these new aliens -- sort of like a god sweeping his hand and clearing out the..
Patterner:	bad guys.
RobJSawyer:	I'm not going to spoil the ending of one of my books for other readers by discussing it here
OnlineHost:	ÒKakazeÓ has entered the room.
Patterner:	Okay. :)
Patterner:	Hi Kak!
RELMComet:	Hi KAK
ChrisJFle:	heya Kak
Araiused:	Hey Kak
Kakaze:	Hi all!!!
Plmckissic:	Hi, Kak
Diana2020:	hey, kaze
RobJSawyer:	But obviously I felt the ending was appropriate, and the reviewers seemed to agree.
RELMComet:	Tonight we are talking to Robert J. Sawyer.
RELMComet:	His Recent Paperback releases Include ILLEGAL ALIEN
T83BIRD:	Chris, the Sci-Fi Channel has lots of fantasy. Maybe too much. Hi Kak.
RELMComet:	and FACTORING HUMANITY.
RELMComet:	FLASH FORWARD is due out in May in Hardcover.
RELMComet:	Let us welcome this award winning author.
Kakaze:	Pat!!!! Comet!!! Chris!!! Plm!!! Diana!!! T!!!
JTOWN1737:	Hi, Kak!!
Kakaze:	Jt!!!
RobJSawyer:	(The guy doing the screenplay for the ILLEGAL ALIEN movie made lots of changes, but
Kakaze:	I miss anyone?
RobJSawyer:	he kep that ending, almost verbatim as I wrote it.)
ChrisJFle:	The Sci-Fi Channel also has Sightings, one of the funniest and most nauseating shows on TV
RELMComet:	Wow a Rob Sawyer Movie?
ChrisJFle:	ILLEGAL ALIEN is going to be a movie?
Kakaze:	You're letting them change your book.
Kakaze:	?
T83BIRD:	A partly Rob Sawyer movie, Comet.
Diana2020:	I don't think he gets the choice, Kaze
RobJSawyer:	EVERY author lets them change their books.  And, in exchange, they pay you hundreds of
ChrisJFle:	wow, cool
Shadowjakk:	Alienus ex machina...preferred SF trope. :)
RobJSawyer:	thousands of dollars, and let you have a dignifiied retirement, or put your kids through 
Diana2020:	lol, rob
RobJSawyer:	college, or pay off your mortgage.  It's a fair trade <grin>.
Kakaze:	If I ever published a book and someone makes a movie about it, I'd want complete control.
Kakaze:	I hate when they change books for movies.
RELMComet:	evil necessities of life
T83BIRD:	Unfortunately, they also believe they're better storytellers.
JTOWN1737:	lol rob
Wst1955dd:	won't happen Kak
Diana2020:	if I ever publish a book, I want a bigger house
RobJSawyer:	You won't get it.  NO ONE GETS IT.  Stephen King doesn't get it; John Grisham doesn't
Kakaze:	The opening credits that say "Based on a book by..." should usually say "Loosley based on a 
Kakaze:	book by..."
Wst1955dd:	Clancy does not get it
Kakaze:	loosely even.
RobJSawyer:	get it.  NO ONE DOES.  The people putting upt he hundred million dollars to make the film
TerryDiane:	Sounds like a good job to me.  Think I'll go think about it.  Good night all, and thanks for
ChrisJFle:	nite Terry
Diana2020:	actually grisham's books are better on the screen
RobJSawyer:	get to decide how to spend their moeny.  That's just the way it is.
TerryDiane:	your words of wisdom, Mr. Sawyer.
RELMComet:	Nite TD
Araiused:	Nite, Terry
T83BIRD:	Nite TD
Kakaze:	I'd rather not have the movie made then.
RobJSawyer:	Good night, TerryDiane!
Plmckissic:	Nite TD]
TAMirabile:	Night Diane
JTOWN1737:	personally I'd rather read; the mind's eye is much more revealing than some fatcat TV exec
Wst1955dd:	even cricton didn't have final say and he wrote the screenplay too
ChrisJFle:	I f I get lot's of money, please make me a movie!
RobJSawyer:	Kakaze: I have no pension plan through an employer; I have no insurance benefits except
TerryDiane:	I'll  look for you in Canandaigua!
RELMComet:	I just recieved my copy of ILLEGAL ALIEN and you seem to know
RELMComet:	quite a bit about the American Justice system. Does this knowledge
OnlineHost:	ÒPhx8Ó has entered the room.
RobJSawyer:	those I pay for myself.  I have no guarantee that I will have any income at all next year.  
RELMComet:	come from research or firsthand experience?;)
T83BIRD:	re's Phx
RELMComet:	Hi Phx
Kakaze:	Still though...don't you care that they're changing your original vision?
Araiused:	WB, Phx
Kakaze:	Doesn't it bother you?
Plmckissic:	Hi, Phx
RobJSawyer:	You can be adamant, but you aren't living the precarious life of a freelance writer.
Patterner:	Night, Diane!
RELMComet:	*** Robert J. Sawyer - Tonight at O*W*C! ***
Patterner:	Hi again, Phx!
Phx8:	Re Hi
RobJSawyer:	Sure, I care.  If I didnt' care, I'd only charge them a few dollars, instead of hundreds of
TAMirabile:	Kak, of course he cares      Hi Kak
Kakaze:	Tam!
RobJSawyer:	thousands of dollars, for the privilege of getting to monkey with my words.
Wst1955dd:	making films is a comprimise position for everyone involved
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ChrisJFle:	Vision, shmision, it's a just a story, right? AThis isn't the cure for cancer here
Kakaze:	Filmmakers are morons.
Shadowjakk:	Kak...next time someone options your scribblings for a 
Shadowjakk:	movie, update us on your opinions. :)
Diana2020:	lol
RELMComet:	True Shadow
RobJSawyer:	No argument there, Kakaze.  But having a film made is like winning the lottery.  You
Kakaze:	I hope I still have the same ones.
RobJSawyer:	don't say  you have to give it to me in sequentially numbered new twenty dollar bills.
Wst1955dd:	not likely Kakaze
Diana2020:	the 1st time someone options mine, I'm still getting a bigger house
Kakaze:	I'd sell my grandmother for a fair amount of money...
RobJSawyer:	You just take the money, and thank God that it came your way.  
TAMirabile:	lol Diana
T83BIRD:	Shadow is utterly correct.
RobJSawyer:	Shadowjack:  hee hee hee.
Diana2020:	lol, kaze
RELMComet:	Rob: What is SF in your definition?
Wst1955dd:	tyou fight for the important aprt of your story
RobJSawyer:	SF is the mainstream literature of an alternative reality.
Kakaze:	I am a greedy person, but I hate when people play with my things.
Diana2020:	that is the same thing, kaze, hehe
RobJSawyer:	You don't have to let them, Kakaze.  They have to get your permission.  It's up to you.
Wst1955dd:	Kak you sound like a filmaker
Diana2020:	Mine!
Araiused:	::gasp:: we are in an alternative reality!
TAMirabile:	Ara, I thought you knew
ChrisJFle:	truth be told, I'd be happy if someone would publish anything of mine at all. Just framed my
RELMComet:	lol Ara
ChrisJFle:	3rd rejection slip!
T83BIRD:	Not SF, but ATLAS SHRUGGED wasn't made into a movie because Ayn Rand rejected the changes.
Kakaze:	I've been thinking of taking film classes...I should, and become a filmmaker that makes
Diana2020:	this one has no oxygen, ara?
Phx8:	Right, Ar.  You that so-called alternator on your car?  Well,...
Kakaze:	films from books, true to the original vision.
Wst1955dd:	they're called Indie, Kak...they strave like writers too
Araiused:	No smell, Diana.
Kakaze:	:-p
TAMirabile:	Probly starve to death, Kak
Diana2020:	lol
ChrisJFle:	Except many books wouldn't make good films. The media is too different\
Plmckissic:	Chris :(  - keep plugging away!
Kakaze:	There are a tonne of people like me who hate when they tamper with books.
Omegawidow:	Chris, not to worry, I think I broke the 'quickest rejection time' record a month ago. :)
ChrisJFle:	thanks, Plm
ChrisJFle:	LOL Om
Shadowjakk:	Ayn was enraged over the treatment of THE 
Shadowjakk:	FOUNTAINHEAD.  But, additionally, AS was slammed, 
RobJSawyer:	Me, I need the money.  Or, to put it another way, if someone gives me a few
Shadowjakk:	critically, and considered fundamentally fascist.  Not a 
Shadowjakk:	gtreat vehicle for Hollywood in that period.
TAMirabile:	Most of the people here, now, Kak
Wst1955dd:	True, Chris.....jurassic Park the book was a bore.....
T83BIRD:	True film from book?  Impossible, Kak.
Kakaze:	I think it would be refreshing to have movies made to the vision of the original book.
RobJSawyer:	hundred thousand dollars, I can take years to create a great book that I'd never be able
Diana2020:	kaze, truly, I don't think that they can copy the original vision of a book.  The time
JTOWN1737:	If Atlas hiccups, do we have volcanoes?
T83BIRD:	Just ask John Updike, Kak.
Patterner:	LOL JT
TAMirabile:	lol JT
RELMComet:	lol JTO
ChrisJFle:	I like JURRASIC PARK
RobJSawyer:	to afford to write otherwise.  
Diana2020:	frame and the thoughts behind them are better in print
T83BIRD:	lol JTO
Kakaze:	They can come close, Diana.
Kakaze:	They can have everyone die at the end of the movie instead of live, because that's how the
Diana2020:	name one, kaze
Kakaze:	book was.
Kakaze:	Using the jurassic Park example.
Kakaze:	I personally liked the book better.
TAMirabile:	Rob, is there anything you regret about your writing so far?
Araiused:	That begs the question, Rob.  Do most writers now just write for money?
Diana2020:	The movie was better than the book, kaze.  Crichton doesn't write very interestingly
RobJSawyer:	Kakaze, maybe one percent of the people who see a moive have read the book.
Wst1955dd:	You can write for free but few would read it
Kakaze:	That doesn't mean anything...the people who read the book will know its different.
T83BIRD:	::::doubting that one per-cent:::::
RobJSawyer:	If I just wanted money, Araiused, I'd be a lawyer; I'm a writer because I'm commited to this
Wst1955dd:	Cricton has slipped back the past few years
Diana2020:	Wst, my family reads everything I write!! (for a nominal fee)
ChrisJFle:	Gee, I want to be a writer for money. My own boss and no heavy lifting
Kakaze:	Look at all the hullabaloo from Starship Troopers.
Kakaze:	Everyone who read the book hated it.
Plmckissic:	Not everyone is a tortured artise, some people write for a living because they enjoy it and 
RobJSawyer:	artform -- it's my calling.  But it really does cost monety to live in this society; I'm not
Plmckissic:	do it well
Patterner:	LOL Chris
RELMComet:	lol Diana
Kakaze:	Hated the movie I mean.
Plmckissic:	lOL Chris
RobJSawyer:	imune to those needs.  I have turned down lucrative media-tie-in work (I've turned down
Phx8:	I read the book, and pretty much liked the movie
RobJSawyer:	four such novels now), even though the money was significant.  The sacrifices I, and other
ChrisJFle:	Of course, maybe I'm just too cynical. who knows. : )
Diana2020:	Rob, are you saying you actually eat?
Diana2020:	:-)
Wst1955dd:	Lost world was closer to the book, but some changes were made to cut cast numbers
RobJSawyer:	fulltime writers, make for our art, are HUGE.  It's inconceivable to most of us to think tha
ChrisJFle:	STARSHIP TROOPERS movie was fun, but a movie true to the book would've been boring
ChrisJFle:	and I did like the book
RobJSawyer:	t we're writing just for money.  Almost any other professiion pays better, has more
RELMComet:	Rob wouldnt Media Tie in Work raise your recognizability - Short on US shelves
Wst1955dd:	RAH book was too dated to be true to book
RobJSawyer:	security, and is less stressful.
Plmckissic:	Try retail, Rob.
Diana2020:	lol
Shadowjakk:	LOL
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Phx8:	lol Plm
DerHexer:	Hi all
Patterner:	Hi Der!
RobJSawyer:	Diana2020:  far too much, I'm afraid <grin>.
Araiused:	Plmc should know :)
Diana2020:	lol
Plmckissic:	Hi, Der
ChrisJFle:	hi Der
RELMComet:	Plm - You can buy Direct WWW.SFWRITER.COM
T83BIRD:	Rob et. al., Gotta go. Handicapped spouse Bonnie needs assistance. 'Nite all.
RELMComet:	Hi Der
RobJSawyer:	Retail sucks, yeah; I used to work in a bookstore.  
RELMComet:	Tonight we are talking to Robert J. Sawyer.
Araiused:	Nite, T!
DerHexer:	Nite T83
Shadowjakk:	Night, T8!
Kakaze:	It's okay to write for money...do fluff stuff to make an income.
RELMComet:	His Recent Paperback releases Include ILLEGAL ALIEN
RELMComet:	and FACTORING HUMANITY.
RELMComet:	FLASH FORWARD is due out in May in Hardcover.
RELMComet:	Let us welcome this award winning author.
TAMirabile:	Rob, in some ways it's like volunteer work?   You couldn't
TAMirabile:	pay me enough to do some of this, but I love it.
RobJSawyer:	Nite, T8!
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Plmckissic:	Nite T8
TAMirabile:	Night T
DerHexer:	Hi, Rob!
JTOWN1737:	Night, T
ChrisJFle:	Always the Piers Anthony route. Xanth to the power of infinity
RELMComet:	<<<HOLD the DIN for a moment so we cand see what Shadow is doing TOMORROW
Araiused:	Kak, when you write for money, they will tell you what to write.
RELMComet:	"Help Wanted: Growing Indonesian/Ukrainian firm is seeking WorldWeb
RobJSawyer:	Oh, I understand completely!  It's far more important to enjoy what you're doing than to
RELMComet:	sales personnel for full line of olfactory simulations targeted at
RobJSawyer:	make money.
RELMComet:	commercial virtual kinesmedia.  Minimum requirements include neural
RELMComet:	jack, Ron Popeil moddie, and at least 3 subjective years virtual sales
Patterner:	:::taking TAM's statement down:::
RELMComet:	experience."  Join RELMShadow in O*W*C chat to discuss the workforce
RELMComet:	of the future.
Wst1955dd:	Tery Brookes got lucky writing the book for Phamtom Menace, but is it going to sale?
TAMirabile:	ooooops
RELMComet:	Back to the DIN
Kakaze:	I would write for money, Ara, but when I write for myself, I would make sure it stays mine.
RobJSawyer:	"Always the Piers Anthony route" is actually a bit flip, Chirs.  If just anyone could become
Plmckissic:	brb - Uncle Bucky IMing me!!!
RobJSawyer:	a bestsell ing author with a huge folloiwing, we would all do it.  He's one in a thousand.
RELMComet:	<admires his Piers collection><g>
Patterner:	And it put his kids through college.
RobJSawyer:	Wst, Brooks's PHANTOM MENANCE novelization was number one on THE GLOBE
RELMComet:	True Patt
Patterner:	Same with some of Zelazny's last works.
RobJSawyer:	AND MAIL bestsellers' list last weekend; it was number two this weekend.
DerHexer:	Only thing I liked of Anthony's Macroscope
ChrisJFle:	well, I realize that. I admit I'd do it in a heartbeat. Used to have every Xanth book too :)
RobJSawyer:	Kakaze:  "writing for yourself" and "writing for publication" are not necessarily mutually
RobJSawyer:	compatible goals.
JTOWN1737:	brb
Wst1955dd:	unless your prior book sales well and you cam afford to write one for the love of oit
Diana2020:	Rob, it is my dream to make a good living doing something I love.  The more power to you
Kakaze:	Well, write for yourself--write a tonne for yourself--and when you die, your family can
RobJSawyer:	And to you, Diana!
Kakaze:	publish them, and you'll be hailed as the greatist writer of the 20th century.
RobJSawyer:	No publisher these days publishes much work posthumously.  Without a live author to
Kakaze:	Take the, whatshername--the poet--route.
TAMirabile:	Or, Kak, they can shake their heads sadly...............
ChrisJFle:	Emeily Dickonson?
RobJSawyer:	send on book tour, to do online chats like this, and so on, it's just not economically
RobJSawyer:	viable.
Kakaze:	Is she the one with the poems that can be sung to "Yellow Rose of Texas" Chris?
Patterner:	Yes, Kak.
Diana2020:	...burn it on her pyre for posthumous reflection in the afterlife
RELMComet:	lol
Kakaze:	Then take her route.
Wst1955dd:	Sad   they don't reprint the dead SF authors the way the used to....they're being forgotten
Shadowjakk:	Unless you have a demi-religious hierarchy behind you, you 
Shadowjakk:	don't publish a lot posthumously, granted.
RobJSawyer:	There are OCCASIONAL exceptions. Rule number one in life:  don't count on being
Patterner:	LOL
RobJSawyer:	an exception.
Diana2020:	lol
RELMComet:	<snicker>
Phx8:	Wst, changes in publishing may alter the way out-of-print work is treated & made avail
Patterner:	Kak, NESFA Press does a lot of good work in that area.
Wst1955dd:	RAH is about the only exception lately
ChrisJFle:	I don't count on it, Rob. At the moment, I'm working on it]
TAMirabile:	lol   that's the way to do it-----start a successful religion
RobJSawyer:	Tor does reprint some classic SF in its ORB line of trade paperbacks.  Tom Doherty 
RELMComet:	Rob - Are you still President of SFWA?
Kakaze:	Changes in publishing...you mean celebrities getting it into their heads that they can write
RobJSawyer:	deserves a lot of credit for doing thos.
Diana2020:	Wells is still in publication
Araiused:	Well, I'm always being excepted, so...
RobJSawyer:	RELM, no.  Dr. Paul Levinson is SFWA's current president.
Kakaze:	and publishers putting their books out because regular people are too stupid to see that
Kakaze:	they can't write.
Patterner:	LOL Ara!
Diana2020:	everyone!   except for Ara
Diana2020:	hehe
DerHexer:	Maybe the works of authors who have dropped out of print will be available electronically
Kakaze:	Celebrity books are pushing regular books off the shelves.
RELMComet:	Ah - Ive Spoken to Paul Levinson at Cybling on IRC
RobJSawyer:	Wells, yes.  Verne, too.  Orwell; Huxley; Shelley.  And you'll find them all in the 
Wst1955dd:	DAW  used to be the big paperback publisher for SF
RobJSawyer:	classics section ...
RobJSawyer:	DAW is small potatoes these days.  Tor, Bantam, Del Rey are the top houses.
Kakaze:	One reason I think that old writers are being forgotten though, is that no matter the story,
Wst1955dd:	scandal books like "Monica"  is ruining the marketts
DerHexer:	True, Rob, but they ARE classics
Omegawidow:	Good night.  An enjoyable chat.  :)
Diana2020:	These lucky kids can actually read that stuff for literature classes now!
Kakaze:	people don't want to read a book with ideas in it that have already been proven.
Phx8:	True, Kaz... but I was thinking about electronic publishing.  I'm not as optimistic as some,
Patterner:	Night, Omega!
RobJSawyer:	Omega, thanks!
Phx8:	but I do think that will become the way of hte future
Araiused:	Nite, Om!
Phx8:	Nite, Om
RELMComet:	Yes we are Nearing the End so get your final thoughts in
Shadowjakk:	Yeah...on the "classic" shelf right next to 
Shadowjakk:	NEUROMANCER.  Classic has a very different meaning in 
Kakaze:	Electronic publishing...that's an oxymoron.
Shadowjakk:	our genre.
TAMirabile:	Wst, what the people want is what will sell--------I don't have to agree or like it
Wst1955dd:	Big advances they don't reover..then the parent corp  orders all pubs they own to cut # of b
OnlineHost:	ÒOmegawidowÓ has left the room.
DerHexer:	Kak, not necessarily the ideas but the treament
Wst1955dd:	books released
ChrisJFle:	nite Om
Phx8:	lol Kaz
RobJSawyer:	Kakze:  I agree with you there!
Araiused:	May the writing muses be always with you, Rob!
RobJSawyer:	MANY thanks, Araiused!  All best wishes to you!
RELMComet:	Everyone - <applause> for our Guest!
DerHexer:	Rob, Kak, respectfully disagree.  there are books availabe for downloading onto pocket 
Kakaze:	Leaving already?
DerHexer:	computers
Shadowjakk:	Thanks, Rob!
Phx8:	Electronic publishing is ugly now, but it's only the beginning
Kakaze:	We've 10 minutes left.
Patterner:	Thanks for coming, Rob!
Phx8:	Thanks Rob
Kakaze:	I don't consider that publishing, Der.
TAMirabile:	*applause*
Plmckissic:	Thank you Rob
Araiused:	We've been nearly here for 2 hours, Kak
Kakaze:	Thats just sharing a file.
TAMirabile:	Thanks Rob!
Diana2020:	Rob, I truly enjoyed this.  Thank you very much
DerHexer:	Kak, what do YOU consider publishing????
Kakaze:	WHen we had late night saturday chats we were here for 4, Ara.
Patterner:	Yes, we asked Rob to do an hour, it was very nice of him to do almost another!
ChrisJFle:	Thanks Rob. I'll watch the shelves eagerly for mote books from you.
RELMComet:	Yes Rob - Thankyou for coming and chatting so much
Diana2020:	Thanks to you Comet! :-)
Kakaze:	Putting something on paper, Der.
RobJSawyer:	<blush>  My pleasure, everyone!  I've had a great time here!
Wst1955dd:	they same was said for audio books 5 yrs ago
JTOWN1737:	Great chat, all. :::::::::applauding our previously unknown to me guest:::::::
ChrisJFle:	And I'll get FLASHFORWARD as soon as I've bought gas for my car
Kakaze:	WHen it's on paper it can never be changed.
DerHexer:	Kaka, get into the 80s
Patterner:	LOL Chris.  Priorities!
RobJSawyer:	Please visit my web site at www.sfwriter.com for more info on my books,  y'all.
RELMComet:	Rememebr www.sfwriter.com
Shadowjakk:	Tell that to Ollie North, Kak.
Kakaze:	Come back again!
RELMComet:	Books By Robert J. Sawyer: Factoring Humanity,
RobJSawyer:	DerHexer:  hee hee hee.
RELMComet:	Illegal Alien, Frameshift, Starplex, The Terminal Experiment,
Araiused:	LOL, Shadow
RELMComet:	End of an Era, Golden Fleece and the Quintaglio Books:
RELMComet:	Far-Seer, Fossil Hunter and Foreigner
TAMirabile:	lol Shadow
Phx8:	All right Comet, Rob, I'm game:  which should I read first?
RELMComet:	Rob - you can BUY from your site cant you?
JTOWN1737:	night all
RELMComet:	Phx - I quite enjoyed TERMINAL EXPERIMENT
Araiused:	Nite, JT!
Kakaze:	If you can't, just go to Amazon.
Diana2020:	bye, JT
TAMirabile:	Night JT
Kakaze:	They have everything.
RobJSawyer:	Yes, indeed!  All my in-print books are available autographed from my web site at 
RELMComet:	True Kak
Patterner:	Night, JT!
RobJSawyer:	www.sfwriter.com.
Araiused:	autographed? wow
Patterner:	Going to any cons soon, Rob?
ChrisJFle:	cool
Diana2020:	cool
Kakaze:	Double Wow, Ara.
JTOWN1737:	cool
RELMComet:	I have the Quintaglios Autographed
Diana2020:	lol
Phx8:	Done.  I need something new.  DINOSAUR SUMMER isn't cutting the mustard
Araiused:	Going to Chiccon, Rob?
Kakaze:	I should snap them up before he gets too famous.
ChrisJFle:	DINOSAUR SUMMER isn't good? maybe I won't buy it now
RobJSawyer:	PX8, FACTORING HUMANITY is as good as place to start as any; I think it's
Plmckissic:	Bucky is very chatty tonight! Guess I'd better go! Nite everyone! Thanks, Comet
Kakaze:	Then sell them for a good profit };-)
RobJSawyer:	the best thing I've written.
JTOWN1737:	Dino Summer is a book, not a knife
RELMComet:	lol Kak
Araiused:	Nite, Plmc!
Patterner:	Night, Plm!
Diana2020:	my 2 youngest daughters are asking me how to strut like a rooster
DerHexer:	Excuse me, being summoned by the redhead
RobJSawyer:	Araiused, yup, I'll be at Chicon!  Hope to mee you there!
ChrisJFle:	nite Plm
TAMirabile:	Nite Plm
Kakaze:	Told you I was greedy, Comet.
Araiused:	OK, Rob!
Diana2020:	bye, der
Patterner:	Night, Der!
Shadowjakk:	You going to Chicon, TAM?
DerHexer:	Good night all.  Rob, nice inteacting w/yyou
Kakaze:	Night whoevers leaving.
OnlineHost:	ÒDerHexerÓ has left the room.
Phx8:	Um, Dino Summer might work better for an adolescent
TAMirabile:	Cool, we'll see you there Rob
ChrisJFle:	nite Der
RobJSawyer:	You, too, DerHexer!
OnlineHost:	ÒJTOWN1737Ó has left the room.
Shadowjakk:	Night, Rob.  Thanks very much for sharing time with us! :)
RELMComet:	<holding room for 8 more minutes>
TAMirabile:	Good lord willin and the crick don't rise, Shadow
ChrisJFle:	ChiCon? That anywhere near San Diego?
OnlineHost:	ÒPlmckissicÓ has left the room.
RobJSawyer:	My pleasure, Shadowjakk!
ChrisJFle:	yea, right
Araiused:	Chicago, Chris, in 2000
Kakaze:	A couple thousand miles, Chris.
RobJSawyer:	Chicon:  the world SF convention in Chicago.
ChrisJFle:	Nuts
Kakaze:	Better hope its before 5/5/00, Ara.
ChrisJFle:	thought so.
RobJSawyer:	I go to the World SF Conventio0n every year (I'm even going to Australia this  year)
Kakaze:	THats the end of the world.
Diana2020:	Well, parting is such sweet sorrow.  (quoting dead author) hehe
Patterner:	But the two 2002 bids are in San Francisco & San Jose. :)
Wst1955dd:	anyone go to baltimore?
Kakaze:	Oh...Australia.  Lucky.
Phx8:	<--- Portland
Kakaze:	Least writers get to travel.
Patterner:	I wish, Rob!  I won't go again until the Millennium Philcon.
RobJSawyer:	I was at Baltijmore, Wst.  Excellent convention.
TAMirabile:	Several of us Wst
Shadowjakk:	A few of us went to Baltimore.
RELMComet:	Good to hear Rob - I hear many wont due to the distance
Diana2020:	thanks again, rob.  Goodnight all
Phx8:	Will check TERMINAL, Rob, thanks
ChrisJFle:	I can barely manage Seattle this summer. I'm NOT flying to Chicago
Patterner:	Wst, I did, Shadow, Chip, TAM, Gand, AC, T8, ... who else?
RobJSawyer:	Goodnight, Diana!
Patterner:	Night, Diana!
ChrisJFle:	nite Di
Shadowjakk:	Night, Diana!
Araiused:	Nite, Diana!
Diana2020:	:-)
OnlineHost:	ÒDiana2020Ó has left the room.
RobJSawyer:	Kakaz:  yup, and it's tax-deductible, too!
RELMComet:	lol Rob
Kakaze:	Oh, not fair!
Shadowjakk:	For you. :)
RobJSawyer:	One of the few perqs of the job ...
ChrisJFle:	yea, I guess it would be....
Kakaze:	If I could only get over this writers block I'd become a professional writer.
Kakaze:	I should do it now too, while mummy and daddy still support me.
Kakaze:	hehehe.
Patterner:	And a lot of authors can't afford to go to distant cons even though it's deductible.
Shadowjakk:	That's a job I want.  Perquisite management seminars.
Kakaze:	THe joys of being a college student.
Patterner:	LOL
Wst1955dd:	gotta starve some first kak
Phx8:	lol Shadow
Kakaze:	Not if I can help it, Wst.
Kakaze:	I like food too much to starve.
RobJSawyer:	Patterner:  oh, yes.  I know I'm quite lucky.
Wst1955dd:	until the doc takes it away from you...
ChrisJFle:	I'll be sure to build up a nice layer of fat before starting my starving artist shtick
Araiused:	I'm calling it a night, I have to work tomorrow, not like lucky you down south.
RELMComet:	Nite Ara
Shadowjakk:	Night, Ara!
Kakaze:	My computer chair knows that...the connections are starting to break from my fat arse 
Patterner:	Night, Ara!
Phx8:	Nite Ar
Kakaze:	leaning back in it.
RobJSawyer:	Goodnight, Ara!
TAMirabile:	Night Ara!
ChrisJFle:	nite Ara'
Araiused:	Nite1
Kakaze:	Night Ara!@
OnlineHost:	ÒAraiusedÓ has left the room.
RobJSawyer:	I've got to call it a night, too, folks.  It's midnight here in Toronto.
RELMComet:	3 minutes left - final thoughts?
Shadowjakk:	When did the time zones start running North to South?
RELMComet:	Thankyou again Rob!
RobJSawyer:	Final thought:  buy my books!
Patterner:	Thanks so much for coming, Rob!
RELMComet:	lol Shadow
RobJSawyer:	<grin>
Phx8:	lol
Kakaze:	I thought toronto was in mountain time?
ChrisJFle:	nope! Nite all, thanks for the great chat Rob!
Patterner:	LOL
TAMirabile:	Night Rob,  Thanks again
RobJSawyer:	My pleasure!
Wst1955dd:	iits 11 here
Phx8:	Nite all!
OnlineHost:	ÒPhx8Ó has left the room.
RELMComet:	Kak - It is EST
TAMirabile:	going to bookstore tomorrow
RobJSawyer:	Toronto is in Eastern Standard Time; it's pretty much due north of New York City.
OnlineHost:	ÒChrisJFleÓ has left the room.
Kakaze:	It's further east than I thought.
Shadowjakk:	Ara's in Edmonton.
Wst1955dd:	9 were don is at
RELMComet:	Right Shadow
Kakaze:	Toronto is in real time.
RobJSawyer:	(Time zones being a Canadian invention, by the way -- thanks to Sandford Fleming, a
RELMComet:	"Help Wanted: Growing Indonesian/Ukrainian firm is seeking WorldWeb
RELMComet:	sales personnel for full line of olfactory simulations targeted at
RELMComet:	commercial virtual kinesmedia.  Minimum requirements include neural
RELMComet:	jack, Ron Popeil moddie, and at least 3 subjective years virtual sales
RobJSawyer:	Canadian engineer.)
Kakaze:	As opposed to all those other crappy timezones.
TAMirabile:	lol Rob
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Wst1955dd:	now we know who to blame Rob
Patterner:	LOL
RELMComet:	lol
RobJSawyer:	He's long dead, Wst ...
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Kakaze:	Ugh, Ron Popeil...the king of kitch kitchen products.
Patterner:	Thanks, Comet!  Great chat!
Wst1955dd:	dig him up and kill him again
Patterner:	And many many thanks for coming, Rob!