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OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING
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HOST EBK Astra:	OK. Let the games begin :)
HOST EBK Astra:	<--- AKA ConLady. Hi Roach!!
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING
OWC Mars:	*************
OWC Mars:	<roach> Shall we start with
OWC Mars:	questions first?  Or should I just
OWC Mars:	shoot off at the mouth like usual.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Hi Astra
OWC Mars:	****************END******************
OWC Mars:	Do you have a question about
OWC Mars:	ePublishing E cat s?  If so, ask
OWC Mars:	away! Roach is ready to answer
HOST EBK Astra:	WHoa, we gonna have ****************END****************** everytime, Mars? Gets your
HOST EBK Astra:	attention :)
OWC Mars:	your questions.
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING
OWC Mars:	*********** drunk_guy hiccups and
OWC Mars:	waves to the absent Con Lady
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> I'm all in favor of
OWC Mars:	you shooting off at the mouth.
OWC Mars:	<roach> hey drunk guy
OWC Mars:	<roach> Heh.
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> As am I
OWC Mars:	<drunk_guy> hiya***
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HOST EBK Astra:	LOL drunk guy
E cat s:	????
E cat s:	How many people are on your line, Mars?
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi E!
OWC Mars:	Do you have a question about
OWC Mars:	ePublishing FIJAGDH?  If so, ask
OWC Mars:	away! Roach is ready to answer
OWC Mars:	your questions.
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Figgy :)
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> brb... gonna get
OWC Mars:	some water
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> out of curiosity,
FIJAGDH:	::::hiccups:::
OWC Mars:	however, I would like to know roach> First off, as has been established by Dave, Jintsu E-texts is now open to submissions.
OWC Mars:	about how many novella were
OWC Mars:	submitted to Jintsu.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Alrighty so let's jsut get
OWC Mars:	some announcements out of the
OWC Mars:	way.
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> bak
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OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> When I heard of that, I
OWC Mars:	immediately changed the P&E
FIJAGDH:	Hiya Ama
OWC Mars:	recommendation for Xlibris.
OWC Mars:	<roach> I think newbie writers,
OWC Mars:	heck all writers, should know
OWC Mars:	about this kind of thing because it
OWC Mars:	is rife for abuse.
OWC Mars:	<roach> rife?  is that a word?  (I
OWC Mars:	edit good!  heh)
OWC Mars:	****
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Ama!
AmaSmart1:	Hello All lets begin the soapbox derby
E cat s:	What is the preferred length for an e-zine, like Jackhammer?
FIJAGDH:	:::hands keys over:::
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Ama - Welcome to the Newbie Writer's Chat with Roach.
OWC Mars:	Folks.. if you have questions for Roach,just blurt them out.
E cat s:	Length of submissions
OWC Mars:	hanks E!
HOST EBK Astra:	::: grabs and hides keys :::
AmaSmart1:	What is the hardest part in starting out as a writter
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E cat s:	Yes, Ama
OWC Mars:	<roach> I think newbie writers,
OWC Mars:	heck all writers, should know
OWC Mars:	about this kind of thing because it
OWC Mars:	is rife for abuse.
OWC Mars:	<roach> rife?  is that a word?  (I
OWC Mars:	edit good!  heh)
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> works for me
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> Yes, it is.  But
OWC Mars:	you'd normally say "rife with"
OWC Mars:	rather than "rife for"
OWC Mars:	<roach> So does anyone know
OWC Mars:	about Xlibris here?
OWC Mars:	* roach nods thanks to BW.
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> No, what is it?
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> pay to publish mostly ,
OWC Mars:	correct?
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OWC Mars:	 <Baryon> pay to publish mostly ,
OWC Mars:	correct?
OWC Mars:	<roach> Dave, help me out here.
OWC Mars:	Is it print on demand?
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OWC Mars:	<roach> Or do they print
OWC Mars:	everything up and hold them in a
OWC Mars:	warehouse?
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> yes, it's POD
OWC Mars:	<roach> E cat - You mean
OWC Mars:	storywise?  I think anything longer
OWC Mars:	than 5,000 words is pushing it for
OWC Mars:	eye strain and attention span of
OWC Mars:	the average reader.
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E cat s:	Thanks
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> AmaSmart1: That varies
OWC Mars:	from person to person.  I'd guess
OWC Mars:	for most people the hardest part is
OWC Mars:	submitting your work.  You have to
OWC Mars:	do your research and you have to
OWC Mars:	keep clear of the scams, but that's
OWC Mars:	the wonderful thing about the net.
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 Roach Nods
OWC Mars:	****
AmaSmart1:	thanks
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Techyo!
FIJAGDH:	Hiya Tech.
E cat s:	Hi Tech :)
OWC Mars:	Hey Tech... if you have a question
OWC Mars:	for Roach or about ePublishing in
OWC Mars:	general... just blurt it out.
Techyo:	Hi Mars, Astra, E, FI, and Ama!
AmaSmart1:	Hello Techyo
Techyo:	:::waves at Roach:::
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> Okay, some urls for newbie writers:
OWC Mars:	<roach> http://www.speculations.com/rumormill
OWC Mars:	<--- forum for professionally minded speculative
OWC Mars:	fiction writers.  Also is the forum for
OWC Mars:	Speculations the only writing e-zine that's worth
OWC Mars:	anything right now.
OWC Mars:	****
E cat s:	Are people reading off the monitor or printing 
E cat s:	the pages for reading off hardcopy?  Do you 
E cat s:	know?
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OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> I'll second that. Speculations is
OWC Mars:	superior.
OWC Mars:	<roach> http://www.eggplant-
OWC Mars:	productions.com/newbie/ <--- the newbie
OWC Mars:	writer's resource page.  That's where I've
OWC Mars:	distilled my vast (*snort*) wisdom about being a
OWC Mars:	professional writer.
OWC Mars:	****
OWC Mars:	"E cat s:  Are people reading off the monitor or
OWC Mars:	printing
OWC Mars:	E cat s:  the pages for reading off hardcopy?  Do
OWC Mars:	you
OWC Mars:	E cat s:  know?"  Sorry... what do you mean E?
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> And for people new to the chat, when I
OWC Mars:	writer professional, I am not refering to how
OWC Mars:	much you are being paid.  I am refering to how
OWC Mars:	you act when dealing with other writers, agents
OWC Mars:	and editors, acting as a professional.
OWC Mars:	* roach watches a wisp of smoke escape her
OWC Mars:	mouth as she shoots it off
OWC Mars:	****
FIJAGDH:	Later y'all. I'm gonna stumble off to the Waffle House in sleepy-land.
AmaSmart1:	Night Fij
HOST EBK Astra:	Night Figgy.
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OWC Mars:	 <drunk_guy> Later y'all. It's waffle time.
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OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> Later Drunk Guy.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Oh yeah, for the new people here as
OWC Mars:	well.  The mantra is "Money flows to the author"
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> Waffles eh?
OWC Mars:	<roach> missed drunk guy.
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> Waffles sound pretty good right
OWC Mars:	now...with whipped cream and
OWC Mars:	strawberries....mmmmmm
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> you should have led him more in
OWC Mars:	your sights... ;)
OWC Mars:	****
HOST EBK Astra:	Whipped cream?
AmaSmart1:	That goes good with strawberries
OWC Mars:	E... I know you're thinking of publishing...Roach
OWC Mars:	is the lady to ask if you have questions.
E cat s:	I was referring to the reading of stories in an e-
E cat s:	zine.  Are they usually read on-site or 
E cat s:	downloaded?
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> Everyone on Mirc forgive me if I'm
OWC Mars:	repeating myself tonight too...I'm not trying to
OWC Mars:	preach to the choir or anything.
OWC Mars:	<roach> I just want to make sure that the
OWC Mars:	basics get covered for anyone who isn't familiar
OWC Mars:	with my ranting.  ;>
OWC Mars:	****
AmaSmart1:	Ok I decide to publish a story, what would the chances of it being published would be?
E cat s:	afk
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OWC Mars:	<roach> E-cat: That depends on the e-zine,
OWC Mars:	how the stories are delivered, etc.  With
OWC Mars:	Jackhammer I believe all the stories were read
OWC Mars:	online, because they were so short.  Also, most
OWC Mars:	webzines are some sort of html so downloading
OWC Mars:	the stories to read offline are sort of cludgy.
OWC Mars:	****
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HOST EBK Astra:	Cludgy. Good word :)
OWC Mars:	 <roach> AmaSmart1: It depends on what you
AmaSmart1:	Oh good I thought room was broken
OWC Mars:	set your sights on.  Say you have a book and
OWC Mars:	want to publish with a big New York publisher.
OWC Mars:	Well the odds aren't great.  They aren't
OWC Mars:	impossible either.
OWC Mars:	****
Techyo:	Shouldn't that be C ludgy?
E cat s:	LOLOL Tech
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OWC Mars:	<roach> AmaSmart1: But say you have a short
OWC Mars:	story that you'd like to publish, anywhere,
OWC Mars:	payment not important, well you have greatly
OWC Mars:	improved odds.
OWC Mars:	****
E cat s:	Thanks, Roach.
OWC Mars:	That answer your questions guys or do you have follow ups?
AmaSmart1:	thank you
E cat s:	<--- pretty much exhausted
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> E Cats: no prob.  roach nods
OWC Mars:	welcome to Ama
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> Roach... why does not expecting
OWC Mars:	to get paid improve your odds?
OWC Mars:	****
AmaSmart1:	yep Cludge, that is correct
OWC Mars:	Hi T83BIRD, Welcome to the Newbie Writer's Chat with Roach.
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi T
AmaSmart1:	Hello T8
OWC Mars:	T... if you have a question.. just blurt it out.
T83BIRD:	Hey there all.
E cat s:	Hi T :)
Techyo:	Hi T!
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> No not expecting to get paid, not
OWC Mars:	caring for payment.  Because there are many
OWC Mars:	times more small press print and e-zines that
OWC Mars:	cannot pay but that publish a large portion of
OWC Mars:	the fiction out there.  If payment isn't a limiting
OWC Mars:	factor, those e-zines are added to the pool of
OWC Mars:	potential markets.
OWC Mars:	****
Techyo:	Folks I'm off to bed yall have a great one.
AmaSmart1:	What sort of e-zines should one start out with 
HOST EBK Astra:	Night Tech!
E cat s:	Night, Tech!
AmaSmart1:	Night Tech
OWC Mars:	Later Tech.
T83BIRD:	Nite Tech
OWC Mars:	BTW folks... you don't have to sit quietly... you can chat away....
HOST EBK Astra:	No topic! We're lost without a topic to ignore!
AmaSmart1:	:::brushes shoulder:::
OWC Mars:	Just be aware that ther are about 6 folks over at
OWC Mars:	cybling who will be chatting away too...and
OWC Mars:	you'll both hear what the others are saying.
HOST EBK Astra:	brb. Need chocolate :)
AmaSmart1:	Not like I try to kill the topic anyway
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> Ama: If you are open to being
OWC Mars:	published in e-zines (and some authors aren't
OWC Mars:	and that's okay) look for e-zines that you like,
OWC Mars:	that you'd want to be published in.  Look for
OWC Mars:	ones that pay (if payment is important to you).
OWC Mars:	In short look for e-zines that publish the kinds of
OWC Mars:	stories that you write.
OWC Mars:	****
AmaSmart1:	Ok
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> I think one thing that authors
OWC Mars:	sometimes forget is that they have a better
OWC Mars:	chance by matching their stories to magazines
OWC Mars:	that publish the kind of work they right.  There
OWC Mars:	are certainly exceptions.  But if you write gory
OWC Mars:	horror stories you probably won't get far in a
OWC Mars:	science fiction market.
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> It's all part of the research game.
OWC Mars:	****
T83BIRD:	What, if any, e-zines publish humorous or satiric SF?
HOST EBK Astra:	bak
E cat s:	I'm sorry, I can't keep my eyes open!  Thanks, Astra, Roach, and Mars!  Night, all.
AmaSmart1:	Night E
T83BIRD:	Nite E
HOST EBK Astra:	Night E! :)
OWC Mars:	BLR WIZ, Raechel Moon is at Cybling right
OWC Mars:	now, but if you put your question into the chat
T83BIRD:	Hey BLR
OWC Mars:	here, she'll get it and send and answer back.
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi BLR!
AmaSmart1:	Hello BLR
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 * roach finishes off the hot chocolate and
OWC Mars:	brings out the big guns: Mt Dew!
OWC Mars:	****
OWC Mars:	REGENTIC, Raechel Moon is at Cybling right
OWC Mars:	now, but if you put your question into the chat
OWC Mars:	here, she'll get it and send and answer back.
T83BIRD:	Hey REG
BLR WIZ:	Hi, Mars, AmaSmart1, T83BIRD, E cat s, Astra
HOST EBK Astra:	No Jolt??
AmaSmart1:	Hello REG
REGENTIC:	Evening gang
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi REG!!!!!!!!!!!!
BLR WIZ:	Hi REG
AmaSmart1:	Expresso is my rocket fuel
BLR WIZ:	You don't mess around, Ama.
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 <roach> T83: Let's see...there is Planet Relish
OWC Mars:	http://www.planetrelish.com
OWC Mars:	****
HOST EBK Astra:	Where you been hiding, REG??
T83BIRD:	Thanks, * roach.*
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> Dave, do you know of any others?
OWC Mars:	<Fill_In_Name> Hello all
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> There used to be DragonLaugh.
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> Hi Fill In.
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 DaveKuz> I think they're gone now.
OWC Mars:	****
AmaSmart1:	Yep BLR you should see me on caffine, Geez I get all paranoid
REGENTIC:	Here and there hinder and yon, Astra. :)
HOST EBK Astra:	Roach - what about SF poetry? Any zines for that?
BLR WIZ:	Is that like pledging to the Delta House?
HOST EBK Astra:	You're always so informative, REG. LOL
AmaSmart1:	Not paranoid, but hyper
BLR WIZ:	Paranoid is good.  Survival Reflex
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AmaSmart1:	I went 30 hours once without sleep
OWC Mars:	 <roach> T83: let me add that Planet Relish
OWC Mars:	specializes in humorous speculative fiction.
OWC Mars:	Plenty of e-zines like humor but don't specialize
OWC Mars:	in it.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Hey FIN
OWC Mars:	<Fill_In_Name> lol I do I get MY name in here?
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> Fill In  just type /nick
OWC Mars:	Whateveryouwannabecalled...
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> and hit enter.
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> Lead withthe slash
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 <roach> Lead with the slash <--- sounds like a
OWC Mars:	great name for a thrash metal band.
OWC Mars:	****
T83BIRD:	Thanks again, Roach.
BLR WIZ:	I, State Your Name, pledge to the Deltas.......
BLR WIZ:	Toga, Toga,Toga
T83BIRD:	Roach, if some time you might care to have a look, my humorous and serious SF-oriented verse can be found on the O*W*C
AmaSmart1:	TOGA PARTY
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OWC Mars:	 <BuffaloWinger> Although most of your Jintsu
AmaSmart1:	DELTA EPLISION PROBLEMS, AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
OWC Mars:	texts are long-form, I seem to recall that you've
OWC Mars:	published some story collections.  Are you
OWC Mars:	interested in publishing more short-form stuff in
OWC Mars:	Jintsu format?
OWC Mars:	<roach> Astra: I'm not too much into the poetry
OWC Mars:	scene.  I know of some magazines that deal
OWC Mars:	with spec fic poetry but not so much e-zines.  If
OWC Mars:	someone wants to know about spec fic poetry
OWC Mars:	they can try looking for theinfo at the market
OWC Mars:	sites.
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 <BuffaloWinger> Strange Horizons
HOST EBK Astra:	Roach can't get to the message boards, T. No AOL account.
OWC Mars:	(www.strangehorizons.com) does poetry.
OWC Mars:	****
T83BIRD:	bulleting board, What the Squid Heard.  You'd have to go to the archive to find it.
T83BIRD:	Sorry, Roach. Did not know you could not get there.
REGENTIC:	:::telling the voices that Jintsu isn't those knives that cut nearly everything::::
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OWC Mars:	 <BuffaloWinger> Strange Horizons
OWC Mars:	(www.strangehorizons.com) does poetry.
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> Astra, www.twilighttimes.com does
OWC Mars:	poetry
OWC Mars:	****
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BLR WIZ:	Re Mars
AmaSmart1:	wb Mars
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> they're at
OWC Mars:	http://www.spicygreeniguana.com
OWC Mars:	<Fill_In_Name> Writers Marketplace... it's a
OWC Mars:	must for every writer
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> Ralen's is at http://www.ralan.com
OWC Mars:	<roach> THanks Dave.
OWC Mars:	****
HOST EBK Astra:	Thank you!
HOST EBK Astra:	<--- likes Joe Haldeman's SF poetry :)
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 <Baryon> Check out the ZineGuild site and
OWC Mars:	check on the zines there...www.zineguild.org
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OWC Mars:	<roach> Writer's Marketplace is good, but
OWC Mars:	having been on the other side (filled out the
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HOST EBK Astra:	re's Mars :)
T83BIRD:	wb Mars
REGENTIC:	Re's Mars
BLR WIZ:	Nailing Astra to the flloor.  Just in case.
AmaSmart1:	Soon I will be king of the.....
BLR WIZ:	Re Mars
OWC Mars:	lol
AmaSmart1:	wb Mars
HOST EBK Astra:	Nah. I bounce too much to be nailed :)
BLR WIZ:	LOL
T83BIRD:	BLR, Astra is related to Kanga.
BLR WIZ:	Leaping, Jumping............
REGENTIC:	:::telling the voices that Kanga isn't the name of one of the new Survivor teams:::
AmaSmart1:	lol
HOST EBK Astra:	Oy, REG
BLR WIZ:	Konga is a different movie, 
BLR WIZ:	g
BLR WIZ:	REG
OWC Mars:	Who else here wants to ask questions about getting e-published... speak now.
BLR WIZ:	Hi Ard
Ardiente4:	hey!
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Ardiente
OWC Mars:	Hi Ard.
AmaSmart1:	hello Ard
BLR WIZ:	I have a question on topic matter for publishing.
T83BIRD:	Hi Ard
OWC Mars:	We've have Roach, editor of Jintsu
OWC Mars:	texts sequestored (sp?) so ask
OWC Mars:	your questions while I have her
OWC Mars:	duct taped down.
OWC Mars:	Go for it BLR.
BLR WIZ:	How do you think that a work invollving the Lord of the Rings would go over ?
BLR WIZ:	Releating it to the music of Led Zepplin.
HOST EBK Astra:	Lordy, BLR. LOL
REGENTIC:	<---has an ontopic question, believe it or not, let me formulate it
BLR WIZ:	You asked for an on topic question.
OWC Mars:	From Cybling **********
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Is it appropriate to
OWC Mars:	tell you guys about me stuff?
OWC Mars:	<roach> Your stuff as in your
OWC Mars:	writing?
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OWC Mars:	*************
OWC Mars:	Kira_Quest> Yes, I was just
OWC Mars:	recently published
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	*************
OWC Mars:	I'm still trying.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> <---proud of herself
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> thanks
OWC Mars:	<roach> Congrats Kira.  Where at?
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 <Kira_Quest> Pelican Pond
OWC Mars:	<roach> Blr Wiz: Do you mean
OWC Mars:	writing something involving the
OWC Mars:	LOTR or the movie?
OWC Mars:	****
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OWC Mars:	 <BuffaloWinger> What kind of
OWC Mars:	story/poem was it, Kira?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> an imprint of Blue
OWC Mars:	Dolphin
OWC Mars:	<roach> Is that online or in print?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> print
OWC Mars:	<roach> A book?
BLR WIZ:	Led Zepplin based some of their music on the LOR.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> It's SF/Fantasy
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> 184 pages
OWC Mars:	****
BLR WIZ:	Starway to Heaven is about Gandalf.
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING
OWC Mars:	*************
OWC Mars:	 <roach> Well damn girl, double
OWC Mars:	congrats!  So give us all the gory
OWC Mars:	details.  Someone was just asking
OWC Mars:	about the difficulties in getting
OWC Mars:	published.  Want to share your
OWC Mars:	story?
OWC Mars:	****
BLR WIZ:	Hi Mel
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Mel!
AmaSmart1:	Hello Mel
MelindaF6:	Hello!!  thanks for the welcome!
Ardiente4:	Hi Mel
OWC Mars:	**Hi Mel.
T83BIRD:	Heya Mel
MelindaF6:	LOL
MelindaF6:	I usally go to deep space chat...
OWC Mars:	****<Kira_Quest> Sure Roach
OWC Mars:	<roach> BLR Wiz: I don't think I understand the
OWC Mars:	question.  I like Stairway, didn't know it was
OWC Mars:	based off of LOTR.
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> BLR WIZ: Are you sure about
OWC Mars:	Stairway to Heaven?  It's hard to tell what the
OWC Mars:	heck they're talking about.  "Ramble On" is
OWC Mars:	definitely LOTR based.
REGENTIC:	Ok, I've formulated my ontopic question about E publishing
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 <roach> Did you submit your manuscript (ms.)
OWC Mars:	to the publisher directly or did you go through
OWC Mars:	an agent?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I just don't want to hamper the
OWC Mars:	entire chat
OWC Mars:	<roach> That last ? was for Kira.
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> I think it was Misty Mountain High
OWC Mars:	and Not Stairway
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> Go ahead, Kira!  I'm interested!
OWC Mars:	****
HOST EBK Astra:	:::: puts on seatbelt ::::
REGENTIC:	Here it be...
OWC Mars:	Go ahead Reggie
AmaSmart1:	Uh-oh
REGENTIC:	Does E-Publishing carry the same credibility as traditional publishing among both fans and publishing peers?
MelindaF6:	gonna be bumpy Astra!
AmaSmart1:	:::braces::
MelindaF6:	I like paper....
HOST EBK Astra:	::: gets smelling salts from behind the bar :::
BLR WIZ:	For example, Gandalf would blow difgferent colored 
BLR WIZ:	smoke rings and they would chase each other around 
BLR WIZ:	the room.
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 <Kira_Quest> My story is a little strange Roach
OWC Mars:	<roach> Yeah, that's what this chat is for.
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> let your story fly Kira
OWC Mars:	<roach> Strange is good.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> but I think it can help and
OWC Mars:	givehope
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I was told that I needed an agent
OWC Mars:	<roach> Who told you you needed an agent?
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> note to self... strange authors get
OWC Mars:	published... become strange****
MelindaF6:	do you have several personalitys Mars???
HOST EBK Astra:	DaveKuz - you have no problem there :)
BLR WIZ:	"In my dreams, I have seen rings of smoke through the trees."
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 <Kira_Quest> so I started to send  queries all
OWC Mars:	over
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I got tons of rejections :D
OWC Mars:	****
HOST EBK Astra:	Mel - OWCMars is in here and in Cybling at the same time, interviewing Roach
MelindaF6:	oh ok
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 <Kira_Quest> so I started to send  queries all
OWC Mars:	over
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I got tons of rejections :D
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> I know what rejections are
OWC Mars:	like...
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> my favorite one is tha one that
OWC Mars:	says
OWC Mars:	<roach> Reg: Well it depends.  It depends on
OWC Mars:	who you are talking to.  Some fans and peers
OWC Mars:	are very open and accepting of e-publishing and
OWC Mars:	some look down their noses at it.  It won't be for
OWC Mars:	another 5 or 10 years before that changes. I
OWC Mars:	Love your story
OWC Mars:	****
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 <Baryon> Ebooks still a step-child in a lot of
OWC Mars:	folks eyes...it is beginning to change as the
OWC Mars:	Majors start their own web publishing sites
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> but Markat is too hard for new
OWC Mars:	authors
OWC Mars:	****
OWC Mars:	BTW folks... if I miss a question from you just put it up again.
OWC Mars:	*********** FROM CYBLING *************
OWC Mars:	 * roach nods to Kira.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I was about to get my ms into
OWC Mars:	vertical storage aka garbage
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> true, unless you build your name
OWC Mars:	as a brand through careful marketing
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> when a friend sent me a fax
OWC Mars:	****
T83BIRD:	Writers Market Press is an offshoot of IUniverse.com., which in turn is an offshoot of B&N.
Log Entry:	Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 7] 10/11/01 09:51 PM
Log Entry:	Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 7] 10/11/01 09:51 PM
AmaSmart1:	bye too
REGENTIC:	<---resting after ontopic question ;)
HOST EBK Astra:	LOL
BLR WIZ:	Not again......
BLR WIZ:	Hi Ara
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Ara!
REGENTIC:	Hi Ara
OWC Mars:	From OWC....<roach> When is
OWC Mars:	the book due for release?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> It is out
AmaSmart1:	Hello Ara
OWC Mars:	<roach> Well too cool.
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> Great!  Where
OWC Mars:	can I get it?
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> notices we haven't
OWC Mars:	heard the title yet
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> it's on Amazon.con
OWC Mars:	and B&N
OWC Mars:	<roach> Title, author and ISBN
OWC Mars:	please.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> From Another Side
OWC Mars:	of Time
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Britina Bovet
OWC Mars:	<roach> Come on.  You are a
OWC Mars:	published author now and must
OWC Mars:	Shamelessly Self Promote.
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> true
OWC Mars:	<roach> Dave, you need to write
OWC Mars:	an article about shameless self
OWC Mars:	promotion.
BLR WIZ:	I was 1st, I win.
T83BIRD:	Listen to some Hanson then, REG.
REGENTIC:	I am
Araiused:	::: looking for guest ::
REGENTIC:	LOL
AmaSmart1:	I was third I get a cookie
OWC Mars:	From Cybling******<DaveKuz>
OWC Mars:	probably should
Araiused:	Oh, she's in the other room.
OWC Mars:	* BuffaloWinger opens
OWC Mars:	amazon.com
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> 1-57733-088-9
OWC Mars:	<roach>
OWC Mars:	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obid
OWC Mars:	os/ASIN/1577330889/qid%3D1002
OWC Mars:	855045/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F0%5F
OWC Mars:	1/002-3076450-0585649
Araiused:	'allo
OWC Mars:	Hiya Ara... Roach is over in Cybling tonight.
T83BIRD:	Heyla Ara
Araiused:	ahso
OWC Mars:	And my Powertools keeps shooting me in the foot.
REGENTIC:	Vanna I'd like to buy a vowel for that URL ;)
Log Entry:	Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 9] 10/11/01 09:55 PM
Log Entry:	Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 9] 10/11/01 09:55 PM
Araiused:	Mars in, Mars out
Araiused:	It's happening again!
OWC Mars:	Amazing, isn't it.
BLR WIZ:	Toga, Toga, Toga
AmaSmart1:	Mars you need Ama's No punt
OWC Mars:	Apparently I'm not allowed to auto greet tonight.
T83BIRD:	Mars is a born slider, Ara.
BLR WIZ:	Mars needs to sacrifice another rubber chicken to the punt gods.
Araiused:	Yeah
AmaSmart1:	Delta epislion problems
OWC Mars:	From Cybling *********<roach> lol.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> publishers page:
OWC Mars:	http://www.bluedolphinpublishing.c
OWC Mars:	om/FAST.htm
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Roach
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> there is a book out
OWC Mars:	there
OWC Mars:	<roach> Yes?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> about Guerrilla
OWC Mars:	Marketing
OWC Mars:	* roach nods.
OWC Mars:	<DaveKuz> Kira, if you send me a
OWC Mars:	banner or a scan of the cover, I'll
OWC Mars:	post that on P&E for a month.
OWC Mars:	Email address is
OWC Mars:	prededitors@att.net
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> for self-promotion
OWC Mars:	after publication
Araiused:	Guerilla marketing, I like that.
Araiused:	How does it work?
AmaSmart1:	How do you promote?
OWC Mars:	From Cybling***<Kira_Quest> for
OWC Mars:	self-promotion after publication
OWC Mars:	<roach> Who's it by?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Thanks Dave
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Roach I have to
OWC Mars:	check
Drgafia1:	I know some ezines are fanzines and some are not.  What can you tell us about those that are not?
OWC Mars:	OK... I sent your questions over.
AmaSmart1:	Ok Lets start a pool How long before Mars Moofs?
OWC Mars:	BTW, if I miss a question don't hesitate to ask again.
BLR WIZ:	LOL  5 Min........
AmaSmart1:	I say 5 min
OWC Mars:	What you mean how long?  I haven't moofed enough for one night? LOLOLOL.
BLR WIZ:	GMTA  Ama
HOST EBK Astra:	Ama, Mars is doing it on purpose to make her screen behave :)
AmaSmart1:	yep
T83BIRD:	bye REG
OWC Mars:	From Cybling******<roach> Drg:
Drgafia1:	I wonder if I should rephrase it?  I know fanzine publishers got into it from having published fanzines, but how did the others find out about it? Where are they coming from?
OWC Mars:	what would you like to know?  E-
AmaSmart1:	Bye Reg
Araiused:	ooops, gott has moofed.
OWC Mars:	zines that aren't fanzines publish
OWC Mars:	non-fan fiction, articles, etc.
OWC Mars:	Usually on some sort of schedule.
OWC Mars:	They're web or e-mail based.
OWC Mars:	They're run mostly for the love of it.
OWC Mars:	 Not many are making any money
OWC Mars:	off of it yet.  Although several have
OWC Mars:	popped up that pay a decent rate.
BLR WIZ:	no Astra.  Mars will do it on purpose just to win the poll.
REGENTIC:	Re's all
T83BIRD:	wb REG
HOST EBK Astra:	re's REG :)
AmaSmart1:	Wb Reg
OWC Mars:	Re's Reg.
Araiused:	WB, REG
HOST EBK Astra:	.
HOST EBK Astra:	.   0      Tsk!!! Tsk!!
BLR WIZ:	RE REG
HOST EBK Astra:	. <\I/ >    Don't you just hate
HOST EBK Astra:	._/_\_    those punts?
HOST EBK Astra:	. _| |_
HOST EBK Astra:	.
AmaSmart1:	OMG it is contagoeus
Araiused:	LOL, BlR truncated the dolly!
HOST EBK Astra:	He beheaded her :)
Drgafia1:	First fanzine to ever be profitable was LOCUS. And then it got voted a non-fanzine....
OWC Mars:	From Cybling ******<Baryon> out
OWC Mars:	of tyhe woodwork at current deluge
OWC Mars:	of new ones trying to pop up all
OWC Mars:	over the net
OWC Mars:	<roach> Ama: re how does one
OWC Mars:	self promote.  I have an article with
OWC Mars:	some links about self promotion in
OWC Mars:	my newbie writer's resource page
OWC Mars:	at http://www.eggplant-
BLR WIZ:	Less than 2 min., Mars
OWC Mars:	productions.com/newbie/
AmaSmart1:	thanks
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> there also is an
OWC Mars:	article about that on the last WD
OWC Mars:	<roach> Drg: I started my first non-
OWC Mars:	fanzine e-zine because I was
OWC Mars:	annoyed that there weren't many
OWC Mars:	paying e-zines out there.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Drg: I think that a lot of
OWC Mars:	people who start up e-zines want
OWC Mars:	to try to get their vision of the
OWC Mars:	perfect place to read spec fic out
OWC Mars:	to the world.
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> Not many fanzines ever
OWC Mars:	turn a profit, thats why they stay
OWC Mars:	as they are in a niche of their
OWC Mars:	own...been niched for 26 years
OWC Mars:	<roach> What all editors want, I
OWC Mars:	think, is to find great stories that
OWC Mars:	they really enjoyed and share
OWC Mars:	them with a group of other readers.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Bary's the fanzine expert.
BLR WIZ:	1 min. to go Mars..............
OWC Mars:	8^P
AmaSmart1:	Come on Powertools
REGENTIC:	formulating yet another ontopic question...
T83BIRD:	She'll moof when you're not ready BLR, Ama.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I live in Hawaii and I have been going to the Maui Writers Conference
AmaSmart1:	Oh-no On topic!
BLR WIZ:	Mars WINS................   Yea
Araiused:	:: hanging on to chair for on-topic question :::
Drgafia1:	Well, in fact, there is something of a tradition of >not< turning a profit on fanzines.  
AmaSmart1:	NOOOOOOO!
HOST EBK Astra:	REG! You trying to make me pass out?? A record! Twice in one night!
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I live in Hawaii and I
OWC Mars:	have been going to the Maui
OWC Mars:	Writers Conference
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> It must be
OWC Mars:	particularly hard for SF writers in
OWC Mars:	Hawaii... just the distance.
Drgafia1:	It's a different mentality, to be sure.
REGENTIC:	On the subject of profit, is it easier to turn one in the E world than the paper one?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Every published
OWC Mars:	author I approached for an
OWC Mars:	endorsment
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> accepted to do it
HOST EBK Astra:	DrG - but they're talking E-zines here, not fanzines.
Drgafia1:	REG, to the best of my knowledge, there have been only three or four profit-making fanzines since they got started in the 1930s.
T83BIRD:	REG, it's never easy to turn a profit in publishing anywhere.
OWC Mars:	Precisely... we are here to talk about how to get published electronically.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Kira, just how did you go about approaching authors for adorsements?
Drgafia1:	Astra, I asked about both and part of the reply had to do with fanzines (not ezines) not making a profit...
OWC Mars:	<roach> Reg: HRm...is it easier?
OWC Mars:	Yes and no.  It's easier to show a
OWC Mars:	profit because your initial
OWC Mars:	expenditures are lessened.
OWC Mars:	However it's harder because it's
OWC Mars:	harder to make money off of an e-
OWC Mars:	zine.  Advertising and the like just
OWC Mars:	doesn't come easy in the e-world.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Once I got their
OWC Mars:	phone number I called them up
OWC Mars:	and asked if they would do it
OWC Mars:	<roach> Really?  That's cool.  I'm
OWC Mars:	too shy of a person to just call
OWC Mars:	someone up and ask.  But that's
OWC Mars:	what you gotta do to self promote.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> I also personally
OWC Mars:	approached 2 of them at the
OWC Mars:	conference
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> LOL Terry Brooks had me intimidated
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> Terrys a teddy bear and a great guy as well
OWC Mars:	<roach> How many turned in
OWC Mars:	adorsements after you asked for
OWC Mars:	them?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Roach I think that
OWC Mars:	writers should forget modesty
Drgafia1:	What's an "adorsement"?
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> Roach all of them
OWC Mars:	<Baryon> terrific
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> I don't think truer
OWC Mars:	words have ever been spoken.
OWC Mars:	Forget modesty.
Araiused:	E-linguistics for endorsement :)
T83BIRD:	Roach, are many writers offended by a request for an endorsement from an unknown?
OWC Mars:	<BuffaloWinger> That's really
OWC Mars:	impressive.  Kira, you're story is
OWC Mars:	very encouraging to aspiring
OWC Mars:	writers like me.
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> proud
OWC Mars:	I think Ara's right DRg... typos.
OWC Mars:	<roach> T83: I wouldn't know.  I
OWC Mars:	haven't yet requested an
OWC Mars:	endorsement for any of Jintsu's
OWC Mars:	books.  The few that they've
OWC Mars:	received have been requested by
OWC Mars:	the authors and so I haven't been
OWC Mars:	part of that process.
T83BIRD:	Thanks anyway.
REGENTIC:	afk
OWC Mars:	<roach> an adorsement is
OWC Mars:	something that comes around
OWC Mars:	when roach isn't paying attention
OWC Mars:	to her spelling.  ;P
OWC Mars:	LOL
Araiused:	LOL
HOST EBK Astra:	LOL Roach
T83BIRD:	LOLOL
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> DRG an
OWC Mars:	endorsment is when an
OWC Mars:	established author reads your
OWC Mars:	book and says it's great
AmaSmart1:	lol
Drgafia1:	I thot it might be a portmanteau word combing "ad" and "endorrsement" . . . but I cdn't figure out how it wd work.
OWC Mars:	Nothing that complex Dr.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Look at this page for
OWC Mars:	examples:
Drgafia1:	I have to remind myself to be natural, Mars -- i.e., simple...
OWC Mars:	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obid
OWC Mars:	os/tg/stores/detail/-
Araiused:	Can be added to the Spave Dictionary, Dr G ;)
OWC Mars:	reviews/ref=ce_dpr_r_4/002-
OWC Mars:	3076450-0585649#tab-link
OWC Mars:	<Kira_Quest> after the first print
OWC Mars:	you can read the endorsments on
OWC Mars:	the back cover of the book
REGENTIC:	bak
OWC Mars:	res
REGENTIC:	Don't nobody faint but I'm formulating yet a 3rd ontopic question
Araiused:	Uh oh
OWC Mars:	<roach> Although that could work because endorsements are used as ads.
HOST EBK Astra:	A night for the record books!
T83BIRD:	DrG, we all need to be careful about being simple re mind.
Araiused:	Hi, Dark
T83BIRD:	Hey Dark
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi Dark!
BLR WIZ:	Hi Dark
OWC Mars:	Hi Dark.
Darkomik77:	yo
OWC Mars:	Dark.. we have Roach of Jintsu E-
OWC Mars:	Text strapped down over in
OWC Mars:	Cybling.  If you have questions
OWC Mars:	about epublishing, ask away.
AmaSmart1:	hello dark
Darkomik77:	hey ama
Araiused:	<---- waiting for 3rd ontopic question
Darkomik77:	?
OWC Mars:	Go ahead and ask Dark.
OWC Mars:	And I too am waiting for this ground breaking topic question.
Darkomik77:	Who is Roach of Jintsu E
OWC Mars:	Raechel Henderson Moon... Publisher and Editor of e-Texts under the name of Jintsu.
T83BIRD:	afk
OWC Mars:	If you want to learn more about her see
AmaSmart1:	3 in 1 night
Darkomik77:	ah so
OWC Mars:	http://www.cybling.com/artists/jackhammer.html
Darkomik77:	?
OWC Mars:	You'll find links there to Jintsu text, and also to excerpts.
OWC Mars:	of the e-text that have been published so far.
Drgafia1:	fwiw, there are a lot of efanzines housed at http://efanzines.com/
REGENTIC:	Without the lead times in the paper world and the immediateness of the Eworld is there an expectation to produce more material and quicker?
T83BIRD:	bak
Darkomik77:	what's the editor looking for in stories or novels?
OWC Mars:	And guys... we're about to lose Roach for this evening...
HOST EBK Astra:	::: swoons ::::
AmaSmart1:	Well night all
Araiused:	Nite, Ama
HOST EBK Astra:	Night Ama!
OWC Mars:	so if you have any final questions, now is the time.
OWC Mars:	Nite Ama.
Darkomik77:	yeh I do mars I just did
REGENTIC:	Me too
OWC Mars:	And I just sent it Dark.
Araiused:	Don't ignore the groundbreakin 3rd ontopic question!
Drgafia1:	Tell Roach we wish 'em all good luck.
REGENTIC:	3 is really pushing my limit too ;)
HOST EBK Astra:	::: Slides the drinks down the bar :::
HOST EBK Astra:	c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_)
Araiused:	4 and hell will freeze over.
T83BIRD:	Thanks for everything, Roach.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Reg: yes. When I started
OWC Mars:	Jackhammer E-zine I knew there
OWC Mars:	had to be a quick turn over of
OWC Mars:	material.  Those websites that
OWC Mars:	provide quick turnover are the ones
OWC Mars:	that get the most hits.  So I
OWC Mars:	decided on a weekly publishing
OWC Mars:	schedule.
HOST EBK Astra:	LOL Ara
OWC Mars:	<roach> Dark: a well written story.
OWC Mars:	Any final finals?
REGENTIC:	My Thanks to Roach :)
OWC Mars:	<roach> Dark: and submissions accompianied by small unmarked bills.
T83BIRD:	Roach, do you take submissions electronically or by snail mail?
OWC Mars:	And Roach is joking there.
Drgafia1:	Well, I'm sure he wdn't actually send back any "contributions" of a financial nature...
OWC Mars:	Actually there are writer's guidelines on the Jintsu site.
HOST EBK Astra:	she, DrG :)
OWC Mars:	roach> T83: E-mail only.
Drgafia1:	She, then.  
OWC Mars:	<Eggplant> or upload
T83BIRD:	Thanks, Roach.
OWC Mars:	<roach> http://www.eggplant-productions.com
HOST EBK Astra:	Thanks, Roach!
OWC Mars:	Okay folks... let's say goodnight to Roach.
T83BIRD:	Nite Roach
Araiused:	Thank you, Roach!
REGENTIC:	Goodnight Roach, thanks for your insights :)
Araiused:	Nitey night, Roach
OWC Mars:	* roach tickles Jan silly.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Night BW.
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> LOL.
OWC Mars:	<roach> Night Everybody.
OWC Mars:	<JaniceMars> See you in a month
OWC Mars:	and talk to you sooner.
BLR WIZ:	Bye Roach
Darkomik77:	ciao roach
Araiused:	LOL
OWC Mars:	Okay...and while I have everyone's attention here.
OWC Mars:	FRIDAY, OCT 12, 10pm-
OWC Mars:	12am ET --  Most of us wear it
OWC Mars:	as a badge of honor, very few hide
OWC Mars:	this wonderful compulsion that
OWC Mars:	obsesses us. How do you explain
OWC Mars:	the need? Do you try to convert
OWC Mars:	the normal populace, or do you
OWC Mars:	guard it like a prize? Join HOST
OWC Mars:	EBK Astra on how to explain your
OWC Mars:	SF Addiction to Others!
HOST EBK Astra:	On that note, I'll somersault outta here :)
Darkomik77:	be glad to astra
T83BIRD:	Nite Astra
BLR WIZ:	Bye Astra
OWC Mars:	Night Astra!
HOST EBK Astra:	brb .....
REGENTIC:	Night Astra
Darkomik77:	adieu astra
Araiused:	Later,  Astra
OWC Mars:	And...next week...
OWC Mars:	Next Week: Thursday, October
OWC Mars:	18 at 10 pm ET, Tippi N. Blevins
OWC Mars:	will be available to answer
OWC Mars:	your questions online on AOL
OWC Mars:	in the O*W*C and via web-
OWC Mars:	browser and IRC at
OWC Mars:	www.CYBLING.com.
OWC Mars:	Originally from Taiwan and
OWC Mars:	raised as a Texan, Blevins has
OWC Mars:	written stories ranging from
OWC Mars:	humor to horror, fantasy to
OWC Mars:	science fiction, and almost
OWC Mars:	everything in between. Learn
OWC Mars:	more at
OWC Mars:	http://www.cybling.com/artists/b
OWC Mars:	levins.html
Darkomik77:	must be fun talking to writers & editors
OWC Mars:	That's why I try to haul them in here Dark...
REGENTIC:	<---don't know I can come up with 3 more ontopic questions in only a week. ;)
OWC Mars:	So you can have the fun too.
Araiused:	You disappoint me, REG :)
OWC Mars:	LOL.  Well you might want to check out her page, Reggie.
Darkomik77:	I'm still waiting for the reply from one of the editors for a magazine I just submitted a story to
OWC Mars:	She has some excerpts of her work on her website... and it's linked from blevins.html
T83BIRD:	Dark, replies from eds can sometimes take weeks or months.
Darkomik77:	I know T
OWC Mars:	Dark, you know one of the guys over in the Cybling Channel will be with
OWC Mars:	us on November 1... Dave Kuzminski.
Darkomik77:	sometimes none at all
OWC Mars:	He does the website Preditors & Editors...
Darkomik77:	which is what happened with Cemetary Dance
OWC Mars:	and it's focus is just that.
Darkomik77:	I've sent one story to one & I've waited for two months
Darkomik77:	not a word
REGENTIC:	afk
OWC Mars:	And there are editors out there who you may never hear from again until
OWC Mars:	you suddenly find your story printed online.
Darkomik77:	so I had to send it another
OWC Mars:	Preditors & Editors has listings of magazines that take 2 to 6 months...
OWC Mars:	as well as ones that have been reported to abscond with work.
Darkomik77:	to another that is
REGENTIC:	bak
OWC Mars:	:::sets out leather chair for Reggie::::  I think you deserve this tonight.
REGENTIC:	LEATHER!!!!!
REGENTIC:	Thanks :)
Darkomik77:	yeh moah leather
REGENTIC:	LEATHER!!!
OWC Mars:	So, Dark... you've had some problems with publishers.  Were they print or electronic?
T83BIRD:	And it's real leather, REG, not *ersatz.*
Darkomik77:	print
OWC Mars:	Okay... P&E does cover both.
Araiused:	Mhwahoo, haven't heard that for a loooong time
REGENTIC:	LLLLL....you the rest
Darkomik77:	I'm not terribly trusting of electronic yet
OWC Mars:	I won't bring you anyone to talk to that I don't personally feel you can trust...
Darkomik77:	thanks mars
OWC Mars:	specifically because I know where they live and can beat them silly
T83BIRD:	Dark, if the pub firm is legit, e-pub is better than none.
OWC Mars:	about the head and shoulders...
OWC Mars:	with a trout.
Araiused:	LOL, Mars
OWC Mars:	True T83...and it may be the coming thing for our genres.
Darkomik77:	better than that mars, with a large barracuda
T83BIRD:	bye REG
Araiused:	3 ontopic questions have drained REG's resources.
Darkomik77:	I think reg just got kidnapped again
OWC Mars:	LOL....no Barracuda in Lake Michigan, Dark, you'll have to settle for me
OWC Mars:	thwapping them with trout.
Araiused:	No way, Dark, he's gott
OWC Mars:	A *leather* chair.
Araiused:	LOL
OWC Mars:	Drg... what's your experience with print publishers.  Is 2 to 6 months a
OWC Mars:	reasonable amount of time to wait?
Darkomik77:	yeh, he's nailed alright to his chair
BLR WIZ:	I must be going for now, night.
OWC Mars:	BLR...thanks.
Araiused:	See ya, BLR
T83BIRD:	Nite BLR
OWC Mars:	See you next week for Tippi Blevins.
Darkomik77:	ciao blr
Araiused:	Hi, Darla
Darkomik77:	yo darla
OWC Mars:	Hiya Darla...welcome to Cybling.
DerHexer:	Hi all
Darkomik77:	welcome to the Twilight Zone
Darkomik77:	yo der
Araiused:	Hi, Der
OWC Mars:	We're talking about ePublishing and getting published in general.
OWC Mars:	Ooops...
OWC Mars:	::slapps myself silly again::: Welcome to the O*W*C.
Araiused:	You're still straddling two zones, Mars :)
REGENTIC:	Re's all
Araiused:	Re's REG
Darkomik77:	yo reg
Darkomik77:	how'
DerHexer:	Hi REG
Darkomik77:	s yo chair
Darkomik77:	????
OWC Mars:	But we *are* talking about epublishing.
Araiused:	You must reign in your voices, REG ;)
T83BIRD:	Mars, 2 to 6 months is fairly common for eds to respond.
DerHexer:	Did anyone listen to Bush's press conference tonight?
Araiused:	Only a part, Der.
T83BIRD:	Six mos or more for books, Mars.
OWC Mars:	Hey, Der... didn't see you come in.
Darkomik77:	like I wanna know der?
T83BIRD:	Hi Der
REGENTIC:	LOL, the voices wanted to go chat with those who would abscond with literary work ;)
OWC Mars:	Yes, I did, Der, and was incredibly grateful to have this chat to come to.
Darkomik77:	T, it all depends on the magazine the editors work for
Darkomik77:	sometimes it took a week for a response
Araiused:	LOL, REG
DerHexer:	Didn't see me come in?  6'5" 300 lbs, one eye.  Guess I'm so inconspicouous
Darkomik77:	Like F&SF
T83BIRD:	Rapid response is not usual, Dark.
Darkomik77:	I know
Araiused:	LOL, Der
OWC Mars:	I think a lot may have to do with the size of the slush pile, and the
OWC Mars:	quality of one's cover letter as well.
OWC Mars:	LOL Der.
Araiused:	Hi, Gand!
OWC Mars:	Yo Gand!
Gandalara:	::: Bounce, bounce, bounce ::: <g>
Darkomik77:	kablooey
REGENTIC:	<---would rather have a slush fund than a slush pile
Darkomik77:	gand
OWC Mars:	LOL
Gandalara:	Ouch :/
REGENTIC:	Hi Gand
T83BIRD:	The size of the slush pile and the size of the staff have a lot to do with speed of response.
T83BIRD:	Hi Gand
DerHexer:	The Shrub - The war will be over in a year or two, Oh, and BTW, I need Star Wars
Araiused:	Ouch?
Gandalara:	I bounced wrong :)
OWC Mars:	Ouch?
OWC Mars:	LOLOLOLOL
Araiused:	LOL
Drgafia1:	<--used to read the slush pile for AMAZING and FANTASTIC
OWC Mars:	Now those were big piles.  Drg....
OWC Mars:	Did a good cover letter make a difference to you?
Gandalara:	re slush fund - me too REG. I've lost 34% so far this year :/
Darkomik77:	I had no luck with Weird tales
REGENTIC:	Ow!
Drgafia1:	Indeed.  I was not the only one.  We had a "form" cover letter -- one that attempted to tell writers, briefly, what we thot were wrong with the stories we rejected.
Gandalara:	Major ouchie
Darkomik77:	in either category short story & poetry
Drgafia1:	Oops.  I meant rejection slip...
OWC Mars:	Oh...I meant the cover letter from the author that they send along with the manuscript.
OWC Mars:	Did those ever influence how quickly you tackled the manuscript?
Drgafia1:	They cd be amusing but they never had any effect on whether the story was acceptable...
Darkomik77:	It's a rejection slip doc no matter how big they are
OWC Mars:	LOL, DArk.
Drgafia1:	...but, yes, an amusing letter might make me read one story before another...
T83BIRD:	Mars, cover letters are often used for book mss.
OWC Mars:	True, Drg.  A good cover letter can cover a bad story..  okay...thanks.
Darkomik77:	I have a handful to prove it
Darkomik77:	sometimes they come in strips of paper
OWC Mars:	T8...a cover letter will get you noticed by Asimov's.
OWC Mars:	I have *that* from Dozois finger tips.
Araiused:	afk
T83BIRD:	Ahso, Mars.  Thanks.
Darkomik77:	mars, no guarentee my story will be accepted though
OWC Mars:	Did a couple of interviews with him a couple of years ago, and he gave several tips.
Drgafia1:	But ultimately all of the stories get read and no one is going to publish a bad story no matter how good its cover letter, yes?
OWC Mars:	No, there's no guarantee Dark...but if they don't read it, they DEFINATELY won't accept it.
Drgafia1:	Gardner is a Good Man.
T83BIRD:	Some eds and first readers can tell a good story from the first page.
Darkomik77:	well, doc, sometimes there are stories that are crap in mags
OWC Mars:	And just getting them interested may be enough to get them past the
OWC Mars:	first paragraph when they might stop there under other circumstances.
Darkomik77:	& you wonder how they got accepted
OWC Mars:	And Dozois often only gets as far as the first few paragraphs.
Drgafia1:	Darko -- yes.  Sturgeon's Law applies even to published professional sf.
Darkomik77:	bribery perhaps?
OWC Mars:	You know Dark....I think in many cases it may be working with writers
OWC Mars:	they are familiar with already.
Darkomik77:	sigh mars yeh
OWC Mars:	I've heard complaints about more than one pulp mag having a "stable" of writers.
Drgafia1:	Yeah, Mars -- no one wants to publish bad stories, but if there are not enough good ones...
REGENTIC:	Voice tip: "Start out your cover letter with 'Miss Cleo has an important message for YOU inside!' " <G>
OWC Mars:	The staff is so small and there's so much to do, that often editors will go
OWC Mars:	with someone they know who has the right size story.
OWC Mars:	LOL Reggie.
OWC Mars:	Incredibly...with print you *do* have to worry about the size of the story.
Drgafia1:	Well, there was the Silverbob/Randy Garrett "fiction factory" of the 1950s and 60s that wrote three quarters of the sf magazine stories...
Darkomik77:	yeh mars, I'm tempted to get self-published
OWC Mars:	No matter how good it is... if it's too long, it's too long.
Darkomik77:	instead
OWC Mars:	Dark...before you do that...please do check out some of the e-publishers.
Drgafia1:	Yeah.  The vanity press is just that...
OWC Mars:	E-Publishers do pay.
OWC Mars:	And better to be paid than to pay.
REGENTIC:	"Cut out everything between page 1 and the last page and it will be perfect!"
OWC Mars:	LOL
Darkomik77:	doc, I hate vanity presses, they charge you writers for the publishing ops
T83BIRD:	LOL REG
Drgafia1:	Right you are, Dark.
Athanor IX:	Dunsany's Gods of Pegana was self-published.
Darkomik77:	you could lose your shirt er maybe a house or two
Darkomik77:	for the cost
T83BIRD:	A VP imprint on the spine of a book can be a *kiss of death* where other pubs are concerned.
Drgafia1:	William Blake was not professionally published in his lifetime...
OWC Mars:	Oh Folks!!!  News flash here.
Darkomik77:	same with Stephen Crane
OWC Mars:	-=*=-                                   -=*=-
OWC Mars:	At every university computer center, there's at least one server named
OWC Mars:	speculative fiction, affecting not only contemporary fantasy but even
OWC Mars:	some science fiction.  Why are so many fans drawn to these works?
OWC Mars:	What would the speculative landscape look like without them?  Join
OWC Mars:	HOST EBK Shadow in SF General chat for a look at Tolkien's effects on
Drgafia1:	...he did most of his stuff on a primitive hektograph.  A kindof protofan,I guess...
OWC Mars:	contemporary fantasy.
OWC Mars:	And that's happening tomorrow night as well.
Gandalara:	Ack! No! It's from 9 PM to !! PM!!!
Araiused:	bak
OWC Mars:	Tres goof...the schedule up in SciFi says 10 pm
Gandalara:	SFG is open Friday Saturday SUnday now from 9 PM to 11 PM :)
Darkomik77:	(listening to Massive Attack's Karmacoma
Darkomik77:	)
OWC Mars:	So...ignore this lady behind the curtain...go to SciFi from 9 pm to 10pm to see Shadow...
Gandalara:	LOL
OWC Mars:	Then get your keyboards over here to mess with Astra.
Athanor IX:	<--listening to This Ascension
T83BIRD:	afk
Gandalara:	It's gonna be a bouncy night ;)
REGENTIC:	Lady behind the curtain....is she named Jane? <G>
Darkomik77:	no, reg, Goldilocks!
OWC Mars:	No...that's my evil twin, and she's behind a veil, Reggie.
REGENTIC:	LOL, OIC
Darkomik77:	now if you'll excuse me I'll bring in three bears
Darkomik77:	they want a word with her
REGENTIC:	If she's behind a veil, then her name mustbe Vicki ;)
OWC Mars:	And I'm supposed to huff and puff and ... well never mind.
Drgafia1:	Question is, will we eat the bears or will they eat us?
Araiused:	LOLOL
Darkomik77:	depends on your size doc
OWC Mars:	Press and are now considered established authors?
Darkomik77:	if yer bigger than they are no prob
OWC Mars:	And this is a good enough reason to choose...
Drgafia1:	"Okay. I killed the squaw. Now where's that bear I'm supposed to make love to?"
Darkomik77:	but if yer small well......
REGENTIC:	"If this Tuesday I must be eating Solyent Green" <----my new book title <G>
OWC Mars:	vanity press instead of choosing to explore e-Publishers?
T83BIRD:	bak  needed to feed a hungry Alee Cat
OWC Mars:	little boys and so on ...
Darkomik77:	I'd rather check out e-publishers instead of the vanity press
Athanor IX:	I find that a small but increasing number of my CD purchases are self-released.
OWC Mars:	until you run out of anyone who might possibly buy.
OWC Mars:	And then re-write before you self-publish?
T83BIRD:	Yep, Mars.
OWC Mars:	Okay...see the thing is...
REGENTIC:	A horror movie? ;)
OWC Mars:	if you self-publish you are not only the writer, you must also be the publisher...
OWC Mars:	salesman and distributor.
Drgafia1:	That's the way to do it, Mars, unless something intervenes.  I was part of a writer's group that had an editor who was looking for stories and paid the lowest pro rates in the market...
T83BIRD:	Mars, Walt Whitman did that..
T83BIRD:	He even wrote some reviews.
OWC Mars:	T8...that's poetry.
OWC Mars:	Publishing your own poetry is one way many of us annoy our friends.
Darkomik77:	costs a lot of money to self publish
REGENTIC:	Whitman
OWC Mars:	I personally have annoyed friends that way.
Araiused:	LOL, Mars
Drgafia1:	"Publishing a volume of poetry is like dropping a rose petal down the Grand Canyon and waiting for the echo." --Don Marquis
REGENTIC:	Yep, Whitman's poetry is like a candy sampler...wait it is. <G>
OWC Mars:	Not really Dark.  If you're going to self-publish chapbooks.  I know.  All
OWC Mars:	you need is a good printer and one of those long staplers.
OWC Mars:	submitted to the Library of Congress...
OWC Mars:	However...
Darkomik77:	No prob with that, mars, I got a printer
Athanor IX:	My printer can handle 11x17"...it drinks ink though.
OWC Mars:	Why relegate your work to oblivion?
Darkomik77:	now if I could find a place to sell them
OWC Mars:	When you self-publish, you're eliminating first printing rights...
OWC Mars:	and that's what publishers want to buy.
Darkomik77:	but the prob is mars, they're too picky
OWC Mars:	Who's too picky?
Drgafia1:	Mars, what publishers want to buy is anything that they think they can sell.
Darkomik77:	the publishers of course mars
T83BIRD:	Mars, there's an outfit in FLA, Denlinger's Publishers, Inc., which buys *all* rights.
OWC Mars:	Yes, but they usually insist on 1st North American Serial Rights at least Drg.
Darkomik77:	even the editors are no exceptions
Darkomik77:	even the literary agents as well
REGENTIC:	Hi Der~
OWC Mars:	Well, before you throw them all into the same ... Re's Der.
Araiused:	Der gone
T83BIRD:	Nite Der
OWC Mars:	Please do check out some of the e-Publishers....
Darkomik77:	see ya der
REGENTIC:	Yea, I blame the voices for that one ;)
OWC Mars:	Read their submission guidelines and see what they pay.
Darkomik77:	I'll try mars
T83BIRD:	bye Gand
Araiused:	Now, Gand gone :)
Darkomik77:	ciao gand
Darkomik77:	ain't life gand?
OWC Mars:	I think you'll be surprised and pleasantly so.
Darkomik77:	grand that is
OWC Mars:	Well folks...
Darkomik77:	hehe
OWC Mars:	Time for me to hit the cyberbricks...
Darkomik77:	I hope so mars
Araiused:	Thanks, Mars!
OWC Mars:	But before I go down that merry virtual trail...
OWC Mars:	Remember...
Drgafia1:	Life is good.  Feel free to pass it on.
REGENTIC:	Night Mars, thanks! :)
OWC Mars:	Tomorrow night... Shadow... 9 pm ET
OWC Mars:	Keyword: SciFi...
OWC Mars:	Then at10 on the dot...
OWC Mars:	no matter how much he begs...
OWC Mars:	Keyword: OWC
OWC Mars:	Got that?  LOLOLOLOL
Darkomik77:	yeh mars
Darkomik77:	we'll get merciless
Araiused:	LOL, Mars
T83BIRD:	Nite Mars   Thanks.
Drgafia1:	Ahahahahaha!  as villians sometimes say while twirling their handlebar moustaches...
OWC Mars:	Goodnight everyone and stay warm!
Darkomik77:	adieu yall
T83BIRD:	We'll get Ming, too.
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