Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 1] 1/6/2003 07:17 PM OnlineHost: To find more book chats and message boards check out Keyword:TABK and Keyword: Sci-Fi. janicemars: ***The opinions expressed in this file are not necessarily those of the Other*Worlds*Cafe or America Online.*** OnlineHost: NINLILA has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: Stephen, I really enjoyed the excerpt of Tundaer Rift from your web site [] HOST RL Astra: Geez. Thunder. NINLILA: --- 1 NINLILA: sleigh: Hey, all! Hello! NINLILA: JaniceMars: Excellent... great to see you online tonight Steven. Let's get things NINLILA: rolling why don't we. NINLILA: sleigh: Fine -- go ahead -- and Astra, I LIKE 'Tundaer' HOST RL Astra: I speak alien fluently, LOL HOST RL Marz: LOL NINLILA: JaniceMars: Stephen, I was just reading your story on your website...A Rain of Pebbles - NINLILA: http://www.farrellworlds.com/pebbles.html NINLILA: JaniceMars: and was impressed by the number and amount of colors you use in your writing. NINLILA: Is there a reason you... NINLILA: JaniceMars: use more color descriptions? NINLILA: JaniceMars: ga NINLILA: sleigh: Well, my degree's in fine art... NINLILA: sleigh: so I suppose there's a natural inclination... NINLILA: sleigh: on my part to use color in description... NINLILA: sleigh: On the other hand, I'm also shade blind... NINLILA: RobertB: Hi all. NINLILA: sleigh: and don't really see colors that are very dark or very light... NINLILA: sleigh: all that well you should see my paintings!. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: That's interesting...never heard of shade blind before. NINLILA: sleigh: It means that colors that are very light... NINLILA: sleigh: or very dark tend to just go to shades of gray... NINLILA: sleigh: for me. I also have a nephew who doesn't... HOST RL Astra: The green crags/mountains on your front screen is outstanding. OnlineHost: Amaryllisss has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****Amaryllisss, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** HOST RL Astra: Hi Amar [] Amaryllisss: Hiya Amaryllisss: How are yall tonight? NINLILA: sleigh: see colors at all. NINLILA: RobertB: night... NINLILA: sleigh: Man, talk about painting and people leave! g: NINLILA: JaniceMars: Interesting...kind of like color blindness... did you know that you had this NINLILA: when you majored in art in college? NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL...naw... NINLILA: sleigh: Yeah, I did -- I started out in Graphic Design... NINLILA: sleigh: and very quickly found out I couldn't do the... NINLILA: sleigh: color exercises that were expected of me. NINLILA: sleigh: So I switched to Fine Art/Art Education. NINLILA: sleigh: GA Amaryllisss: I'll bbl OnlineHost: Amaryllisss has left the room. NINLILA: sleigh: Thanks, Astra -- that was done in Bryce... NINLILA: sleigh: which is a fantastic landscape generation program. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: That's very interesting. Was that also one of the reasons you started NINLILA: writing fiction as well, or was that love of the word always there too? NINLILA: ga NINLILA: sleigh: I've always written fiction, even when I was a kid... NINLILA: sleigh: Thankfully, all those really old stories are lost. :- GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL... I don't know about that Stephen, I do enjoy your stories. NINLILA: sleigh: That's good -- A RAIN OF PEBBLES is one of my favorites. NINLILA: JaniceMars: So, you started writing when you were a kid, and painting too I assume...was NINLILA: your love for music apparent then as well? NINLILA: sleigh: I started playing guitar when I was, oh, nine or ten... NINLILA: sleigh: but my dad always sang and played piano badly... NINLILA: JaniceMars: Stephen, a lot of us are hard pressed to finger paint our way out of a paper NINLILA: bag. NINLILA: sleigh: For that matter, I can play piano badly too. NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL NINLILA: JaniceMars: How do you account for this over-abundance of creativity? ga NINLILA: --- NINLILA: sleigh: There's just rarely enough time to do them all well. NINLILA: sleigh: GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Ah... I know that feeling. I'm just amazed that you manage to finish so many NINLILA: things, and finish them so well. NINLILA: sleigh: Boy, if there was a 20 hour day, then you'd see LOTS! NINLILA: sleigh: Oops -- should have been '30' NINLILA: sleigh: Tundae! NINLILA: JaniceMars: I coudl use about 48, lol! Stephen you write in both the short story format NINLILA: and in the novel format... do you also write in the intermediate HOST RL Astra: Um, we have a 24 hour day now [] ::: running ::: NINLILA: lengths? NINLILA: sleigh: Most of my writing's been novel length in the last decade... NINLILA: sleigh: Even the 'short' work's been fairly long... NINLILA: sleigh: especially the stuff I did for George Martin's WILC CARDS series... NINLILA: sleigh: some of those stories were actually short novel length. NINLILA: sleigh: But I just recently sold a REALLY short story... NINLILA: JaniceMars: Really...title? Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 4] 1/6/2003 09:15 PM OnlineHost: JDipale has entered the room. NINLILA: sleigh: to Mike Resnick for an anthology -- about five pages! GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Hmmm...double spaced, 25 lines per page, 10 words per line? NINLILA: JaniceMars: ga HOST RL Astra: ****JDipale, welcome to the O*W*C -**** NINLILA: sleigh: Yep! Short! HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** HOST RL Astra: Yo, JD [] JDipale: Astra! JDipale: How the heck are ya? HOST RL Astra: Tired and dirty [] JDipale: Watching Peter Benchley's Creature on USA NINLILA: JaniceMars: That is short. Though you know... NINLILA: JaniceMars: A Rain of Pebbles - http://www.farrellworlds.com/pebbles.html NINLILA: sleigh: It's a totally different thing to write a novel... NINLILA: sleigh: as opposed to a short story... NINLILA: sleigh: It's a marathon versus a sprint. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: is a fairly short story, but it's absolutely packed with color and feelings NINLILA: and sights and smells and sounds. JDipale: COOL, Astra's feeling Dirty HOST RL Astra: ::: thwack ::: HOST RL Marz: ::::Thwaps JD about the head and shoulders with a gold tassled, ornamental Sears Tower Souvenir pillow:::: JDipale: ****Hi Astra**** NINLILA: JaniceMars: I'll get back to asking you about your style in a minute... NINLILA: JaniceMars: But for now I have a question... NINLILA: sleigh: I tend to 'see' the landscape of my stories... NINLILA: sleigh: pretty clearly, so I try to give that image to the reader. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Astra asks... why the different names? For different kinds of writing? NINLILA: sleigh: I knew that would come up... HOST RL Astra: <--- snoopy! NINLILA: sleigh: I went to the 'Farrell' pseudonym because... NINLILA: sleigh: my last publisher believed that the audience... NINLILA: sleigh: for science fiction wouldn't 'follow' an author... NINLILA: sleigh: over to fantasy. Now, I'm not certain _I_.. JDipale: ---1 NINLILA: sleigh: believe that, but they did. But we parted ways... NINLILA: sleigh: and the Farrell name was on the manuscript anyway and so I left it there... NINLILA: sleigh: GA OnlineHost: KNITEMARE87 has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****KNITEMARE87, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Marz: ::::Thwaps JD about the head and shoulders with a gold tassled, ornamental Sears Tower Souvenir pillow:::: HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** JDipale: Knite!!! NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay, so the two Farrell names do primarily fantasy while you keep the Leigh NINLILA: name doing SF? NINLILA: sleigh: Right now, the plan is for 'Matthew Farrell' to do SF... NINLILA: sleigh: while S.L. Farrell does fantasy... KNITEMARE87: Jd KNITEMARE87: Wait, where is Stephan KNITEMARE87: <=== confused HOST RL Astra: Knite, Stephen is over in Cybling. JDipale: Hiding from us JDipale: He is very shy HOST RL Astra: Read NIN's words, and the chat shows [] NINLILA: sleigh: in the menatime, I'm also working on a pretty mainstream... NINLILA: sleigh: novel and THAT assuming I ever finish it... NINLILA: sleigh: will get the 'Stephen Leigh' name... KNITEMARE87: Is protocol in effect, or can we chat JDipale: I still haven't figured out all of Dean Koontz pen names. Gets very confusing! JDipale: I never follow protocol anyway [] NINLILA: JaniceMars: Excellent! NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay...have a question here for you from the other room... NINLILA: JaniceMars: SpleenVent: How Many books published,what genre? NINLILA: sleigh: SpleenVent -- let's see... a total of nineteen books or so published... HOST RL Astra: If you have questions, IM them to Astra, Knite. You can talk otherwise. KNITEMARE87: Neither do i, but it is nice to know when i am breaking the rules NINLILA: sleigh: the vast majority of which are science fiction... NINLILA: sleigh: though I might call them science fantasy... NINLILA: sleigh: since I don't focus on technology much. NINLILA: sleigh: One THE ABRAXAS MARVEL CIRCUS is a flat-out... NINLILA: sleigh: urban fantasy. JDipale: I'M JDipale [] KNITEMARE87: Im Knitemare JDipale: Oh, you mean IM Astra JDipale: I get it now KNITEMARE87: LOLOL KNITEMARE87: :::Lauhgs behind JD's back::: NINLILA: sleigh: Yes, I AM very shy! g: NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay...that's something I've never been able to see clearly in my head...what NINLILA: IS urban fantasy and how does it... NINLILA: sleigh: Oops, forgot the GA HOST RL Marz: Astra, do you want to slap him or shall I/ NINLILA: JaniceMars: differ from other types of fantasy? HOST RL Astra: Thudaer Rift ... I mean Thunder ... is now on my to-buy list! NINLILA: sleigh: Urban fantasy, as I'd define it, anyway... NINLILA: sleigh: takes place in the here and now... NINLILA: sleigh: Elves and UNicorns in NYC kinda thing. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Oh, okay...so you take the basic fantasy elements we're familar with and NINLILA: transpose them on... NINLILA: JaniceMars: todays techno world? NINLILA: sleigh: Yep -- ABRAXAS exorcised lots of demons... NINLILA: JaniceMars: demons? NINLILA: sleigh: from my rock and roll days. It was a lot of fun to write. GA KNITEMARE87: Sounnds very interesting, i have enver read anything like that HOST RL Astra: **** Stephen's web site is at www.farrellworlds.com **** NINLILA: JaniceMars: Ah...and that's a place we'll go in a minute...but now I have another NINLILA: question... NINLILA: JaniceMars: SpleenVent: has he ever signed the wrong penname at a book signing? NINLILA: sleigh: Head over to amazon and you too can buy Thudaer Rift! NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOLOLOL. It would probaly be better to search under THUNDER Rift, though. NINLILA: sleigh: SpleenVent -- not yet, though I've had to... JDipale: ****Thanks**** OnlineHost: BLR WIZ has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****BLR WIZ, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** JDipale: BLR!!! HOST RL Astra: Well, Stephen will remember me if I ever meet him at a con to sign that book, LOL JDipale: I mean JDipale: ****BLR**** NINLILA: sleigh: keep my concentration a few times. I'm... NINLILA: sleigh: worried about 'SL Farrell' -- I have to... NINLILA: sleigh: come up with a new signature for that! GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL BLR WIZ: Hi Maz, Astra, NIN, Spleen, JD, Kni OnlineHost: E cat s has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****E cat s, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** KNITEMARE87: [{{{{{{{{{Cat}}}}}}}}}}] JDipale: [{{{{{{{{{{ E }}}}}}}}}}}] NINLILA: sleigh: SpleenVent -- not yet, though I've had to... NINLILA: sleigh: keep my concentration a few times. I'm... NINLILA: sleigh: worried about 'SL Farrell' -- I have to... NINLILA: sleigh: come up with a new signature for that! GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL NINLILA: JaniceMars: We haven't talked yet about the influence of your music on your writing. NINLILA: sleigh: ABRAXAS, unfortunately, is long out of print... NINLILA: sleigh: You'd have to search the used bookstores. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Now you say 'rock and roll' days as if your participation in public music NINLILA: performance is past. E cat s: ((((((guys!)))))) BLR WIZ: Hi E NINLILA: sleigh: Nah, I still play music a few times a month... NINLILA: JaniceMars: But it's no longer Rock and Roll? NINLILA: sleigh: the band is still composed of the same guys... NINLILA: sleigh: I played with back then, except we're heavier and have less hair... NINLILA: sleigh: We call ourselves 'Toast' -- cuz that's... JDipale: Is www.abebooks.com still around? I gots lots of O-O-P books there Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 8] 1/6/2003 09:30 PM NINLILA: sleigh: what you do with old and stale things. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: tsk tsk tsk, lolol NINLILA: JaniceMars: I saw on your website that you've moved to jazz? Is that correct? JDipale: ****.**** NINLILA: --- NINLILA: JaniceMars: Does your band ever perform at conventions, and 2. about how many conventions NINLILA: do you attend a year? NINLILA: sleigh: 1. No, the band doesn't perform at conventions ... NINLILA: sleigh: Hey, I have to have SOME secrets!... NINLILA: sleigh: As to the second question, we hit a lot less... NINLILA: sleigh: cons than we used to me -- maybe four or five... NINLILA: sleigh: a year. Midwestcon. Windy. Confusion. Worldcon... NINLILA: sleigh: Rivercon, when it was still around... NINLILA: sleigh: Any suggestion for new good ones? GA HOST RL Astra: Westercon. But you have to come out to the west coast [] KNITEMARE87: NasFic 2005 KNITEMARE87: Vote seattle for nasfic 2005 NINLILA: --- HOST RL Astra: Yay, Knight! NINLILA: JaniceMars: Superb...okay...one more general question .... NINLILA: JaniceMars: KNITEMARE87: Ask him where he gets his inspiration . NINLILA: sleigh: Steve sits at the typewriter in stunned... NINLILA: sleigh: quiet for a few seconds... Um... NINLILA: sleigh: Inspiration? Is that necessary in a writer? NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOLOL...I'm sorry Steve. NINLILA: JaniceMars: You don't wait for inspiration to hit then. You consider writing a craft NINLILA: that you work at, correct? NINLILA: sleigh: Seriously... I do a lot of reading -- non-fiction, mostly... OnlineHost: T83BIRD has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****T83BIRD, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** KNITEMARE87: [{{{{{{{{{Bird}}}}}}}}}] BLR WIZ: Hi T8 E cat s: Hi T [] T83BIRD: High Stephen, Astra. Thanks for coming, Stephen. Hi all others. NINLILA: sleigh: have to write every day. Writing's gotta be a.. NINLILA: sleigh: habit a bad one, but hey! -- and it's... NINLILA: sleigh: easy to fall out of the habit of writing if... NINLILA: sleigh: you don't apply butt to chair each and every day. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay...I want to ask you some pointed questions about your current NINLILA: book...HOLDER OF LIGHTNING under the pseudonym S.L. Farrell, DAW NINLILA: Books, January 2003. NINLILA: JaniceMars: That's on the shelves now, right? KNITEMARE87: BRB OnlineHost: KNITEMARE87 has left the room. NINLILA: sleigh: Ouch! pointed questions! NINLILA: JaniceMars: lol NINLILA: sleigh: Yes, HOL's on the shelves now, or should be in the... NINLILA: sleigh: next week or so -- it's a January release in hardcover... NINLILA: sleigh: from DAW books. BLATANT PLEA FROM WRITER... OnlineHost: OldWolfGaidin has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****OldWolfGaidin, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** E cat s: Hi Wolf [] OldWolfGaidin: Hello, Host Astra. Hi, E cat [] T83BIRD: Hi, OWG. NINLILA: sleigh: GO BUY IT!! NINLILA: sleigh: Ga NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL Yes sir. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Now, since you've written this as S. L. Farrel we can take that to mean that NINLILA: it's a fantasy novel? HOST RL Astra: Ahrooo, Wolf [] HOST RL Astra: LOL Steve BLR WIZ: Hi Old OldWolfGaidin: Hi, T-bird, BLR [] NINLILA: sleigh: Yes -- the story's set in a mythical Ireland... NINLILA: sleigh: and concerns a young woman Jenna who comes... NINLILA: sleigh: across a magical stone that heralds... OnlineHost: SpleenVent has left the room. T83BIRD: bye Spleen NINLILA: sleigh: the return of magic to their world. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Ireland? What time period, and any particular reason for Ireland as a NINLILA: location? NINLILA: sleigh: It's not a real Ireland -- but it's very obviously... HOST RL Astra: Ireland. Pubs. Beer. What other reasons are there? [] E cat s: Sheep [] HOST RL Astra: LOL NINLILA: sleigh: 'Ireland-like', and the time period is... NINLILA: sleigh: medieval. Why Ireland? Lots of Irish... NINLILA: sleigh: ancestors in my background, and I went over there... NINLILA: sleigh: a few years back and fell in love with the land... HOST RL Astra: o/` Oh, Stevie-boy .... o/~ (sorry) NINLILA: sleigh: I felt immediately at home. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay... I have an appropriate question here from BLR WIZ: How do you NINLILA: research your books? Do you have to visit the location or a similar JDipale: LOL NINLILA: location near you? NINLILA: JaniceMars: You say you visited Ireland, have you based other books on other trips? T83BIRD: Astra, it is said that there is a spot in Ireland where if one sits all night, in the morning one will be dead, mad, or a poet. NINLILA: sleigh: Research... I _love_ research truly!... NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL OldWolfGaidin: Sounds like an Irish pub to me, T-bird [] HOST RL Astra: What if you're mad already, T? NINLILA: JaniceMars: Now, since you've written this as S. L. Farrel we can take that to mean that NINLILA: it's a fantasy novel? NINLILA: sleigh: Yes -- the story's set in a mythical Ireland... NINLILA: sleigh: and concerns a young woman Jenna who comes... NINLILA: sleigh: across a magical stone that heralds... NINLILA: sleigh: the return of magic to their world. GA T83BIRD: Nope, OWG. This one is an outside location. It could make you madder, Astra. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Ireland? What time period, and any particular reason for Ireland as a NINLILA: location? NINLILA: sleigh: It's not a real Ireland -- but it's very obviously... NINLILA: sleigh: 'Ireland-like', and the time period is... NINLILA: sleigh: medieval. Why Ireland? Lots of Irish... NINLILA: sleigh: ancestors in my background, and I went over there... NINLILA: sleigh: a few years back and fell in love with the land... NINLILA: sleigh: I felt immediately at home. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay... I have an appropriate question here from BLR WIZ: How do you NINLILA: research your books? Do you have to visit the location or a similar NINLILA: location near you? NINLILA: JaniceMars: You say you visited Ireland, have you based other books on other trips? NINLILA: sleigh: Research... I _love_ research truly!... NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL NINLILA: sleigh: I'll go to similar place, yes -- or I'll set stories... Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 8] 1/6/2003 09:45 PM NINLILA: sleigh: in places that I've visited. I read a lot of history... NINLILA: sleigh: as well, and that gets in there. GA HOST RL Astra: NIN is hiccupping again, LOL E cat s: NIN's on another binge. HOST RL Marz: My apologies...V3 will be out later this week. NINLILA: sleigh: Ireland = sheep, yes! We once hit a traffic jam that was nothing but sheep. And NINLILA: the Guinness is good there! GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Can I ask what local was the basis for A Rain of Pebbles? NINLILA: sleigh: Aren't mad and poet synonyms? JDipale: ****.**** NINLILA: sleigh: Huh... Most of RAIN OF PEBBLES was me thinking of... NINLILA: sleigh: the Southwest and what I've seen of it... T83BIRD: Not always, Stephen. Robert Graves was a fine (Welsh) poet, but he was also a fiction writer and an exceptionally scrupulous scholar. HOST RL Astra: V3? But what will we make fun of, if it always works right? HOST RL Marz: AOL is now at V 8.0....you'll have plenty of time to make fun, believe me. HOST RL Astra: LOL NINLILA: sleigh: But mostly RAIN OF PEBBLES was me using... NINLILA: sleigh: some of the fencing I was studying at the time. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: I was just struck by the mental image of dust and the heat via the sweat on NINLILA: the inhabitants that you described so vividly. OnlineHost: KNITEMARE87 has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****KNITEMARE87, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** T83BIRD: wb KNITE KNITEMARE87: BAK NINLILA: sleigh: I'm one of those people who sweat at the thought of exercise. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOLOL...I find that difficult to believe Steve. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Aren't you a black belt in Aikido sp? NINLILA: sleigh: I was just promoted to 3rd degree black belt... NINLILA: sleigh: in aikido, yes. And I sweat a LOT on the mat... JDipale: re's Knite OnlineHost: PMSallume has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****PMSallume, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** T83BIRD: Hi PMS KNITEMARE87: I could never get into martial arts BLR WIZ: Hi PMS KNITEMARE87: [{{{{{{{{{PMS}}}}}}}}}] E cat s: Hi PM [] PMSallume: hokay...forgot it was interview night! Hello everyone! NINLILA: sleigh: GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: I'm cluesless, there are different levels? HOST RL Astra: PM, you'll like this guy - he likes Ireland [] JDipale: Hi PMS NINLILA: sleigh: The black belt ranks in aikido go up to 8th I think... NINLILA: sleigh: There are several ranks below black belt, too, of course. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay... in RAIN OF PEBBLES you use fencing a great deal as you were studying NINLILA: it at the time...which of your books employs aikido as part of NINLILA: the plot? T83BIRD: Alas, the only connection I can claim with the Emerald Isle is that the emerald is my birthstone. NINLILA: sleigh: ALIEN TONGUE, for one -- both of the main... OnlineHost: KNITEMARE87 has left the room. NINLILA: sleigh: characters are aikidoists. And the aliens... NINLILA: sleigh: in THUNDER RIFT oops, I mean TUNDAER... PMSallume: Coolies! I only like Ireland from the perspective of being in CA... NINLILA: sleigh: use aikido, but I don't call it that. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Cool...and ALIEN TONGUE was under the Leigh name and thus NINLILA: SF? NINLILA: sleigh: Oh! NINLILA: JaniceMars: Yes? NINLILA: sleigh: And so do the aliens in DARK WATER'S EMBRACE. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Excellent thanks. Do you use any physical activity as part of the plot in NINLILA: your new book HOLDER OF LIGHTNING ? NINLILA: sleigh: Yes, ALIENT TONGUE is straight SF. HOST RL Astra: Use Tundaer in your next book, and I'll consider myself immortalized, LOL NINLILA: JaniceMars: Sorry...don't mean to be treading all over your toes and slapping you with NINLILA: several questions at once. :::blushes::: NINLILA: sleigh: No, the people in HOLDER are all couch potatoes... NINLILA: sleigh: that's a joke... NINLILA: sleigh: though potatoes do go well with Ireland, don't 'cha think? PMSallume: Hate to lurk and run...but going to visit some old friends in another chat. T83BIRD: Nite PMS PMSallume: LOL... HOST RL Astra: Night PMS [] PMSallume: nice meeting you Stephen NINLILA: sleigh: Actually, they do use swordplay a fair amount, which is something... NINLILA: sleigh: I've studied a bit. GA OnlineHost: PMSallume has left the room. HOST RL Astra: Ever fenced with Elizabeth Moon and her gang of Musketeers? NINLILA: sleigh: actaully English. The Irish folk in my... NINLILA: sleigh: background had names like Mullin and Kelly... NINLILA: sleigh: and Coen and, yes, Farrell. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Ah...well I tell everyone that Murphy is actually a German name, but that's NINLILA: neither here nor there. OnlineHost: SciFiDog has entered the room. SciFiDog: woof HOST RL Astra: ****SciFiDog, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** NINLILA: sleigh: Astra -- Nope. And my fencing skills... NINLILA: sleigh: are probably long gone. I'd be impaled... NINLILA: sleigh: in a moment! GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: But you used swordplay in your new book, HOLDER OF LIGHTNING, a different NINLILA: type of sword? BLR WIZ: Hi Sci E cat s: Hi Sci [] JDipale: DOG!!! T83BIRD: Hi Sci (who is well-quoted this week) OldWolfGaidin: Evening, Sci NINLILA: sleigh: The swordplay there is the more typical... HOST RL Marz: Okay...time for last questions over here... I have a couple of more and then Stephen is going to have to get back to writing/painting/playing. NINLILA: sleigh: one-hand sword. GA NINLILA: writing/painting/playing. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay...HOLDER OF LIGHTNING is called HIGH Fantasy. Does that mean it isn't NINLILA: set in Present Day Ireland? NINLILA: sleigh: No, the false Ireland in which it's set is... NINLILA: sleigh: decidedly medieval. NINLILA: sleigh: GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay...HOLDER OF LIGHTNING is out now, and folks can also read your short NINLILA: stories... Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 9] 1/6/2003 10:00 PM HOST RL Astra: And clips of novels! HOST RL Astra: **** Stephen's web site is at www.farrellworlds.com **** JDipale: well, I must be going now! NINLILA: JaniceMars: A Rain of Pebbles - http://www.farrellworlds.com/pebbles.html NINLILA: JaniceMars: Evening Shadow NINLILA: JaniceMars: http://www.farrellworlds.com/evening.html NINLILA: JaniceMars: Do you have anything else coming out soon that we should be looking for NINLILA: Stephen? NINLILA: sleigh: I'll have stories in 'Men Writing SF As Women'... T83BIRD: Nite JD E cat s: ight, JD HOST RL Astra: Nighters, JD [] SciFiDog: (Isn't HOLDER OF LIGHTNING the nickname Ben Franklin gave to the unfortunate intern holdong the kitestring??? [] ) HOST RL Astra: That sounds interesting. E cat s: LOL T83BIRD: lol Sci JDipale: Shocking, Sci! NINLILA: sleigh: edited by Mike Resnick DAW Books... NINLILA: sleigh: sometime in mid-2003, and a story in NINLILA: JaniceMars: Men writing SF as Women? I don't understand. How did Resnick call for those NINLILA: stories...what were the perimeters? OnlineHost: JDipale has left the room. NINLILA: --- HOST RL Astra: Trying to fool us in reverse, like Tiptree. OnlineHost: Araiused has entered the room. HOST RL Astra: ****Araiused, welcome to the O*W*C -**** HOST RL Astra: ****tonight we are interviewing author Stephen Leigh!**** HOST RL Astra: **** If you have a question for Stephen, please IM it to Astra. Thank you!**** Araiused: 'Allo T83BIRD: Maybe not, Astra. Some writers may actually want to experience another viewpoint vicariously. E cat s: Hi, Ara [] BLR WIZ: Hi Ara T83BIRD: Heyla Ara NINLILA: sleigh: surprisingly, 'Women Writing SF As Men.' GA NINLILA: sleigh: SciFiDog: LOL! NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL...so when you wrote for this anthology, did you change your style in any NINLILA: way? NINLILA: sleigh: Nope -- almost all of my recent novels have... OldWolfGaidin: 'lo, Ara HOST RL Astra: OK. Time for me to go ... Thanks for coming in here, Stephen ... thanks Marz! HOST RL Marz: T HOST RL Marz: Thanks Astra! Araiused: Goodnight, Astra! SciFiDog: thank you Stephen! OnlineHost: HOST RL Astra has left the room. BLR WIZ: Thanks for the chat Stephen. Stop back any time... E cat s: Night, Astra OnlineHost: Athanor IX has entered the room. Athanor IX: Hi. NINLILA: sleigh: had a female protagonist. So I just wrote as usual. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Steve, my counterpart in the OWC needs to take off now...but I think I can OldWolfGaidin: Hi, Ath NINLILA: keep things going for a bit if you can stay for a bit. BLR WIZ: Hi Ath Araiused: Re's Ath [] E cat s: Hi Ath [] HOST RL Marz: ****We're running with a significant lag tonight, so the best way to get HOST RL Marz: ****your question to the author is to send it to HOST RL Astra via IM HOST RL Marz: ****Thanks! T83BIRD: Nite Stephen and thanks. HOST RL Marz: And let me change that. T83BIRD: afk NINLILA: sleigh: I can stay if people still want to talk. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Cool. Folks...if you have questions for Stephen, just blurt them out. NINLILA: sleigh: stunning silence E cat s: LOLOL SciFiDog: LOLOL. HOST RL Marz: ****We're running with a significant lag tonight, so the best way to get HOST RL Marz: ****your question to the author is to send it to me via IM HOST RL Marz: ****Thanks! Course you can always just type it into chat as well! NINLILA: sleigh: By AStra! SciFiDog: Stephen, dear... do you chat often? what kinds of cyberchat do you frequent? HOST RL Marz: ::::Thwaps Dog about the head and shoulders with a gold tassled, ornamental Sears Tower Souvenir pillow:::: NINLILA: sleigh: Nite! NINLILA: JaniceMars: Okay...here's a question from me on the Fantasy SF thing. NINLILA: JaniceMars: You mentioned that your publisher believed that you should have a differnt NINLILA: name when you published fantasy.... NINLILA: JaniceMars: but what I'm curious about is do you mentally shift gears when you write NINLILA: fantasy? SciFiDog: ouch Mars! NINLILA: sleigh: I really don't, Janice... As I said before... NINLILA: sleigh: the sceince fiction I write doesn't focus... NINLILA: sleigh: on the technology anyway, but on the people and the cultures... NINLILA: sleigh: So writing fantasy isn't all that different... NINLILA: sleigh: You still have to build a world and people it with... NINLILA: sleigh: interesting characters. NINLILA: JaniceMars: GA? NINLILA: sleigh: Do I chat often? No, rarely, I'm afraid. NINLILA: JaniceMars: E cat s: When did you find you could give up your day job? NINLILA: --- SciFiDog: Ack Stephen 'people it with'? What about trolls, elves, and such??? [] SciFiDog: PC in Fantasy! LOLOL NINLILA: sleigh: GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: When you say work I'm assuming you mean something with a paycheck with income NINLILA: tax taken out. T83BIRD: > Araiused: bak E cat s: Yes. E cat s: I didn't say work.... HOST RL Marz: It was more that my day job gave up me... HOST RL Marz: But I still 'work' -- I teach Creative Writing as... HOST RL Marz: an adjunct instructor at a local university. E cat s: Aha... thanks NINLILA: JaniceMars: You don't consider your music gigs as 'work'? NINLILA: sleigh: Yep -- they do pay me, thankfully. g: GA NINLILA: sleigh: Music gigs are FUN!!!! -- plus, the clubs... NINLILA: sleigh: still pay what they paid twenty years ago... BLR WIZ: Some things never change. Araiused: No raise at all? SciFiDog: [] BLR! NINLILA: JaniceMars: That's a shame, but it seems to be par for the course in academia. More than NINLILA: one professor I know is now 'part time'. No more tenure tracks. SciFiDog: local means where? geographically. (on earth) OnlineHost: J Solusar has entered the room. Araiused: Hi, J S@ HOST RL Marz: Hey J Solusar, we're talking with Author Stephen Leigh tonight.**** HOST RL Marz: If you have a question for him, please send it via IM to me!**** NINLILA: sleigh: Elves, trolls, and such are just the 'aliens', SciFiDog. :- BLR WIZ: Hi J J Solusar: Hiya Ara! Long time, no see, eh? Araiused: Yup, J OldWolfGaidin: Evening, Solusar J Solusar: Hiya Wiz! J Solusar: Wolf! How ya doing? OldWolfGaidin: *eh* I'm not bad. NINLILA: JaniceMars: OldWolfGaidin: Do you consider it a good fantasy if it has Elves in it? I'm NINLILA: not going to ask about farm animals. :- NINLILA: sleigh: You're right, Janice -- most university teachers are part-time now -- like me. NINLILA: GA NINLILA: sleigh: I consider it a good fantasy if the elves die a quick, fast death in the first NINLILA: chapter, OldWolf. GA Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 10] 1/6/2003 10:15 PM OldWolfGaidin: ! lol SciFiDog: woah!! LOL Araiused: Pause for thought [] NINLILA: sleigh: SciFiDog -- local means Cincinnati. T83BIRD: > SciFiDog: Paws for thought. The sicfidog charity. [] Araiused: Then, Sleigh, do you like the fantasy of Gormenghast? BLR WIZ: WKRP in Cincinnati E cat s: LOL Sci NINLILA: JaniceMars: Stephen, you mention that under the name Stephen Leigh you're working on a NINLILA: mainstream novel? NINLILA: sleigh: I'm working on a mainstream-ish novel... NINLILA: JaniceMars: Can you tell us a little about it? NINLILA: sleigh: that has some fantasy elements, but they're... NINLILA: sleigh: pretty well buried. Maybe 'magic realism'?... NINLILA: sleigh: I've been working on it off and on for a few years now... NINLILA: sleigh: and probably will be for a while... OnlineHost: TAMirabile has entered the room. NINLILA: sleigh: It's my 'when I'm doing nothing else' project. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: So it's definately a back burner book? HOST RL Marz: Hey Tam, we're talking with Author Stephen Leigh tonight.**** BLR WIZ: Hi TAN HOST RL Marz: If you have a question for him, please send it via IM to me!**** E cat s: Hi Tam [] Araiused: Hi, TAM BLR WIZ: TAM even TAMirabile: Hi, Marz! BLR! E! Ara! NINLILA: sleigh: Definitely. Though I like it. It takes place in the present time. NINLILA: sleigh: Araiused: I loved Gormenghast! NINLILA: sleigh: Though not the last book of the trilogy... NINLILA: sleigh: only the first two. GA OldWolfGaidin: Evening, Tam NINLILA: JaniceMars: Will you be publishing anything else under the Leigh name or will all your NINLILA: future books be under one of the Farrell names? J Solusar: Tam!!!! SciFiDog: must be off... thank you Stephen, and Hosts! OnlineHost: SciFiDog has left the room. HOST RL Marz: Nite Dog! Araiused: Hey, Sleigh, we share a common purpose [] J Solusar: My wingman!! Araiused: Then, what about Mythago Wood? J Solusar: uh...wing-woman! TAMirabile: Hi, OWG! J S! TAMirabile: [] NINLILA: sleigh: Most likely, future books will be under 'Farrell.'... NINLILA: sleigh: There are two more books that will follow... NINLILA: sleigh: HOLDER OF LIGHTNING, each taking place... NINLILA: sleigh: a generation later -- different protagonists, with... NINLILA: sleigh: come returning characters. J Solusar: (have to be politically correct...) TAMirabile: yarite E cat s: Have to feed the cats and get some sleep. Thank you Stephen!! Night, Marz, everyone [] OnlineHost: E cat s has left the room. Araiused: Nite, E! TAMirabile: Hi, Stephen!! HOST RL Marz: Nite E! NINLILA: sleigh: GA NINLILA: sleigh: Oops -- 'some', not 'come' GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: some returning characters...so Holder is the first in a trilogy. And you NINLILA: intend to hold it to three books? NINLILA: sleigh: Nite, God! NINLILA: JaniceMars: Yes...Ara is intrested in Mytahgo Wood? NINLILA: JaniceMars: LOL, dislexics unite. NINLILA: sleigh: I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with Mythago Wood. Araiused: Robert Holdstock -urban fantasy T83BIRD: bak briefly HOST RL Marz: a breif Res. TAMirabile: Wb T NINLILA: JaniceMars: Then we'll have to ask Ara to elucidate... NINLILA: JaniceMars: and while we're waiting for that to get over there and back again... NINLILA: JaniceMars: OldWolfGaidin: Did you deliberately choose to do generational books for the NINLILA: sequels to Holder of Lighting? NINLILA: sleigh: OldWolf -- yeah, I didn't want to do the... T83BIRD: thx TAM NINLILA: sleigh: 'typical' trilogy, but something where... NINLILA: sleigh: the books at least stood a chance of standing alone. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Interesting...what is the actual time between the books hitting the shelves, NINLILA: any idea? OldWolfGaidin: !Thank you J Solusar: Ok. I have some trains to monitor. Everyone take care! T83BIRD: Nite JS TAMirabile: Night J S OnlineHost: J Solusar has left the room. NINLILA: sleigh: MAGE OF CLOUDS should be out in hardcover in... NINLILA: sleigh: January of 2004 and at the same time... NINLILA: sleigh: HOLDER OF LIGHTNING will be released... Araiused: Night, J S NINLILA: sleigh: in paperback. HEIR OF STONE will follow... NINLILA: sleigh: in January of 2005. I've finished the... BLR WIZ: afk NINLILA: sleigh: manuscript for MAGE and am currently... NINLILA: sleigh: working on HEIR. NINLILA: sleigh: GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Can we get a taste of Holder of Lightning anywhere? Do you have excerpts of NINLILA: it up on your site? NINLILA: sleigh: The first chapter's up on the site. Go to... NINLILA: sleigh: http://www.farrellworlds.com/Holder.html ... NINLILA: sleigh: and you'll find the link. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Excellent...the excerpt is about the same length as the short stories you NINLILA: have online or longer? NINLILA: sleigh: Probably about the same. Don't know exactly. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Thanks...and a final question here. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Araiused: Q: what about science fantasy? NINLILA: JaniceMars: Perhaps we should ask Ara, what about, what about? NINLILA: sleigh: Do you mean a definition, Araiused? OldWolfGaidin: !185,700 words long?! *ack* NINLILA: sleigh: I'll assume that what Ara was after... NINLILA: sleigh: I suppose what I mean by 'science fantasy' is that... Araiused: Science fantasy like Dying Earth? Araiused: Or Perdido Street Station? NINLILA: sleigh: the technology isn't a central part of the story... NINLILA: sleigh: I'm more interested in the characters... Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 8] 1/6/2003 10:30 PM Araiused: Science in the form of alchemy [] NINLILA: sleigh: and the cultures. GA NINLILA: sleigh: OldWolf. Yep. And each one of them golden. g: NINLILA: JaniceMars: Ah I see, so your science fiction doesn't fall under the heading of HARD sf NINLILA: as espoused by the Heinlein/Asimov crew of new writers...but BLR WIZ: bak NINLILA: sleigh: MAGE OF CLOUDS should be out in hardcover in... NINLILA: sleigh: January of 2004 and at the same time... NINLILA: sleigh: HOLDER OF LIGHTNING will be released... NINLILA: sleigh: in paperback. HEIR OF STONE will follow... NINLILA: sleigh: in January of 2005. I've finished the... NINLILA: sleigh: manuscript for MAGE and am currently... NINLILA: sleigh: working on HEIR. NINLILA: sleigh: GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Can we get a taste of Holder of Lightning anywhere? Do you have excerpts of NINLILA: it up on your site? NINLILA: sleigh: The first chapter's up on the site. Go to... NINLILA: sleigh: http://www.farrellworlds.com/Holder.html ... NINLILA: sleigh: and you'll find the link. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Excellent...the excerpt is about the same length as the short stories you NINLILA: have online or longer? NINLILA: sleigh: Probably about the same. Don't know exactly. GA NINLILA: JaniceMars: Thanks...and a final question here. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Araiused: Q: what about science fantasy? NINLILA: JaniceMars: Perhaps we should ask Ara, what about, what about? NINLILA: sleigh: Do you mean a definition, Araiused? NINLILA: sleigh: I'll assume that what Ara was after... NINLILA: sleigh: I suppose what I mean by 'science fantasy' is that... NINLILA: sleigh: the technology isn't a central part of the story... Araiused: NIN is repeating herself [] NINLILA: sleigh: I'm more interested in the characters... NINLILA: sleigh: and the cultures. GAq NINLILA: sleigh: OldWolf. Yep. And each one of them golden. g: T83BIRD: LILA is at it again. NINLILA: JaniceMars: Ah I see, so your science fiction doesn't fall under the heading of HARD sf NINLILA: as espoused by the Heinlein/Asimov crew of new writers...but Araiused: Whoa, NIN [] NINLILA: falls... NINLILA: JaniceMars: under the same sort of style as stories one would be more likely to find in NINLILA: Fantasy & SF. NINLILA: JaniceMars: ? NINLILA: sleigh: Or in Asimov's, perhaps. I like LeGuin... HOST RL Marz: Sorry about that folks... I just gave Nin a merciful death. Araiused: Poor NIN [] HOST RL Marz: So perhaps we can take this opportunity to thank Stephen for coming out and chatting with us tonight! Araiused: You're working her too hard, Marz HOST RL Marz: I'll transfer manually. T83BIRD: Thanks, Stephen. Araiused: Thank you, Stephen! BLR WIZ: Thanks for the chat Stephen. Stop back any time... OldWolfGaidin: Thank you, Mr. Leigh HOST RL Marz: Okay folks...we're in open chat now. Araiused: (Did we behave? Were we too scary?) HOST RL Marz: but first... HOST RL Marz: ****TUESDAY, January 7, 10PM ET**** HOST RL Marz: ****.~^~^~^~^~^~IN THE O*W*C~^~^~^~^~^~**** HOST RL Marz: . HOST RL Marz: **** The months of dread anticipation are over! HOST RL Marz: **** The O*W*C medical team has pronounced the membership sufficiently recovered HOST RL Marz: **** to endure another round of etymological pun-ishment! HOST RL Marz: **** Join HOST RL Umbra in O*W*C chat for Punfestation! Araiused: Punfest! OnlineHost: REGENTIC has entered the room. OldWolfGaidin: Open chat? Cry havoc and let slip the Corgies of war! [] BLR WIZ: Yo REG REGENTIC: Evening gang OldWolfGaidin: Evening, Reg HOST RL Marz: Hi Reggie! HOST RL Marz: So...how many folks here prefer their SF hard and their Fantasy to have elves? T83BIRD: Hey REG OldWolfGaidin: I prefer my SF hard, but I prefer my fantasy without Elves. OldWolfGaidin: Arrrogant buggers. Too clever by half. [] OnlineHost: NINLILA has left the room. BLR WIZ: That sounds like a winning combination. T83BIRD: BTW, for tomorrow's chat be sure to bring your Umbra-rellow for the Umbra fellow. HOST RL Marz: LOL OldWolfGaidin: lol T-bird BLR WIZ: lol OldWolfGaidin: With my help it'll be raining cats and dogs, with plenty of poodles. [] T83BIRD: thx Marz, OWG, BLR Athanor IX: Elves might be usefully employed as trebuchet ammo. HOST RL Marz: What is it you (an apparently Stephen) have against Elves...just that they're arrogant? REGENTIC: I perfer my SF hard and my fantasy with an island [] OldWolfGaidin: rofl, Ath HOST RL Marz: LOL Reggie OldWolfGaidin: Marz, when the game "ShadowRun" came out, people started playing these obnoxious, stuck up Elves. T83BIRD: All REG's elves wear you know what. REGENTIC: LOL OldWolfGaidin: They had no reason to think they were superior, but they acted as if they owned the setting. BLR WIZ: LOL' OldWolfGaidin: Everyone wanted to play the loner assassin Elf who wore black and had cool guns. [] HOST RL Marz: And has that attitude stuck in such a way that most authors write their elves in this manner now, OWG? BLR WIZ: They don';t own the setting, but the cats do. OldWolfGaidin: lol BLR HOST RL Marz: LOL Wiz. HOST RL Marz: Cats own everything, I'm learning to my chagrin. OldWolfGaidin: It seems that way, Marz. Either that, or they're pale imitation of Tolkein. BLR WIZ: [] OldWolfGaidin: The vampires let the cats think they own everything. [] TAMirabile: I finally saw The Mummy last week Only thing that creature was afraid of was a kitten OnlineHost: DerHexer has entered the room. HOST RL Marz: Ah. Kind of like there's a "Star Trek" bible out there on Elves, and that's the only type of Elves we will ever get to see. HOST RL Marz: Hi Der! DerHexer: Hi all BLR WIZ: Hi Der TAMirabile: Hi, Der! HOST RL Marz: We're talking about fantasy and SF right now. TAMirabile: Hi, REG! Araiused: bak, REGGIE! HOST RL Marz: BTW...just for your information... T83BIRD: OWG, the Cats let the vampires think that they let the cats own everything. Hi Der HOST RL Marz: Next Monday... Athanor IX: Fiction that owes no allegiance to the God of Things as They Are. In the novel the writer's thought is tethered to probability, as a domestic horse to the hitching-post, OldWolfGaidin: It kind of happened that way, Marz. Writers have pared down the models they use for Elves. Athanor IX: but in romance it ranges at will over the entire region of the imagination -- free, lawless, immune to bit and rein OldWolfGaidin: lol T-bird OldWolfGaidin: Evneing, Der Athanor IX: -Bierce HOST RL Marz: THEIR FAULT! In honor of Blame Someone Else Day, as Geeks and Fen we have suffered socially HOST RL Marz: for "breaking the curve," thinking about "juvenile SF stuff," and (gasp) reading. It is now our solemn HOST RL Marz: duty to create a scapegoat all our own -- someone(s) or something(s) WE can castigate HOST RL Marz: mercilessly. Join Me to whine about why we don't have household robots yet. T83BIRD: thx OWG DerHexer: Hi T83, OWG TAMirabile: LOL T HOST RL Marz: And then next Friday... T83BIRD: thx TAM HOST RL Marz: JAMES VAN PELT - http://www.sff.net/people/james.van.pelt/ will be joining us to talk HOST RL Marz: about his latest book, STRANGERS AND BEGGARS. You can read his story Parallel HOST RL Marz: Highways at http://www.sff.net/people/james.van.pelt/sample.htm His fiction has appeared HOST RL Marz: in several publications, including Analog Science Fiction and Fact, Asimov's, Realms of HOST RL Marz: Fantasy, and Weird Tales. His non-fiction work has appeared in Tangent magazine. TAMirabile: Next Monday is Blame Someone Else Day?????? Oh Boy! Araiused: I like elves, just to look at, especially the males [] Athanor IX: The would-be fantasy writer who limply apes the writings, concepts, settings, and beings of predecessors is no fantasist. HOST RL Marz: Yes indeed. OldWolfGaidin: Excellent point, Ath REGENTIC: Top ten things you never hear an Elf say: "If I have to bake one more cookie...." HOST RL Marz: And you'll all be happy to hear that James will be with us on this side of the internet divide next Friday, so there will be no lag. Araiused: They look gorgeous [] HOST RL Marz: LOLOL, Reggie. T83BIRD: They had the first Rock singer, you know: Elves Pressli. OnlineHost: Darkomik77 has entered the room. HOST RL Marz: Hi Dark! T83BIRD: Hey Dark Araiused: Heya, Der and Dark BLR WIZ: lol HOST RL Marz: We're talking Elves. REGENTIC: Hi Dark Araiused: D and D Athanor IX: Invent your own races, or if you must use the stock ones, place your own indelible brand on them, or don't bother. OldWolfGaidin: lol T-bird BLR WIZ: Hi Dark T83BIRD: thx OWG Darkomik77: yo HOST RL Marz: Ara, when you say Elves are gorgeous, I'm assuming that you're talking about the type that are portrayed in the Rings. OldWolfGaidin: Yo Dark [] HOST RL Marz: Because when I think elves, I think small dumpy cranky boys. Darkomik77: Marz, you mean borribles? Athanor IX: I think of tree-dwelling cookie bakers. OldWolfGaidin: The Elves in "Wizards" were short, tannned and thoroughly obnoxious. Araiused: Of course, Marz, where else [] OldWolfGaidin: Oh, gad. Borribles are awful. [] HOST RL Marz: And a belated Groan for that Elves Pressli remark T8 Araiused: Mars, small dumpy cranky boys are pixies [] OldWolfGaidin: I was shocked at the length of Mr. Leigh's novel... HOST RL Marz: Shocked? How so OWG? OldWolfGaidin: because the best I can do is write about two hundred words, for a story. Darkomik77: owg, you shoulda seen how many sequels HOST RL Marz: And I have no idea what a borrible is. I'm thinking of those critters from childhood fantasy tales. OldWolfGaidin: How the heck do you say 185,000 words on one thing?1 Darkomik77: two or three at least Araiused: Wow, how many pages would that be? BLR WIZ: In Wizards, the Queen elf barely fit into her clothing. Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 10] 1/6/2003 10:45 PM Athanor IX: I am as able to write a story as build a pyramid. REGENTIC: Overheard at the Pixie residence: "Would you please STOP with the Pledge already! It's pixie dust, it's SUPPOSE to be there!" Araiused: LOLOL, Ath HOST RL Marz: Well, if Leighs short stories are any indication, OWG, you say it with texture. OnlineHost: ChanceOfRain02 has entered the room. Araiused: REG: ::: PLONK ::: OldWolfGaidin: Ah, I see, Marz. Araiused: Hi, Chance T83BIRD: Hi Chance HOST RL Marz: Hiya Chance...we're talking about Elves and other such stuff tonight! DerHexer: Hi Chance HOST RL Marz: Okay...Rain of Pebbles for instance... Darkomik77: actually, Borribles were actually books OldWolfGaidin: A Borrible is a child-like creature with long ear lobes and pointed ears. Darkomik77: three books as I recall OldWolfGaidin: They live in a Dickensian London. ChanceOfRain02: Hi Ara, T,Marz,Der,Wolf, all OldWolfGaidin: I've read two of the books. OldWolfGaidin: Hi, Chance. HOST RL Marz: Which is available for free online at http://www.farrellworlds.com/pebbles.html HOST RL Marz: is extremely rich in detail. T83BIRD: ::::wondering if the Cookie Monster has ever raided the Keebler Elves' tree:::: HOST RL Marz: For instance he doesn't say "The curtains flapped in the wind." REGENTIC: LOL T T83BIRD: thx REG OldWolfGaidin: Ah, I see. I tend to pare down my words to paint the image as quickly as possible. BLR WIZ: lol Darkomik77: yeh t, I wondered about that T83BIRD: thx BLR Araiused: What does he say, Marz? HOST RL Marz: Stephen Leigh says, "The curtains swayed slightly and a warm breeze fanned us." Araiused: The curtains flap-flapped? HOST RL Marz: or he says, "The room seemed somber, despite the glowing yellow walls and the lavender, gauzy curtains that billowed with the breeze. All was ludicrous was that death-still face on the couch, looking as if he were asleep." BLR WIZ: There are a lot of fans in hre. Darkomik77: blr, which one? HOST RL Marz: He actually paints pictures with his words. Darkomik77: the ones that blow air or the ones that yell & scream? BLR WIZ: Start at the top of the list and work your way down. HOST RL Marz: And when take that much effort to create a scene so that your reader can fall into a story headfirst...then it will tend to be a longer novel. REGENTIC: Paints pictures with words? ::::Bob Ross flashback:::: "Happy little tree, right there, yea" HOST RL Marz: I don't think he falls under the classification of the Stephen King Word Processor Itis type author, though. OldWolfGaidin: lol Reg ChanceOfRain02: lol Reg DerHexer: I have to confess that I'm not a big fan of fantasy. Show me a cover that has a dwarf with a sword, or a unicorn, and I turn away Darkomik77: oh yeah, you guys ever seen the works of Brian Froud? OldWolfGaidin: I've heard Stephen King's way of describing a door knob. HOST RL Marz: The images he creates seem to be well placed and have importance to the plot. OldWolfGaidin: "There was a door knob. It was bright and it was shiny. It was an oblate, oblique roundness". [] Araiused: I've bookmarked Pebbles, Marz [] T83BIRD: Imagery can also illuminate character. Darkomik77: he paints cute fairies & elves HOST RL Marz: LOL, WOG. OldWolfGaidin: I have, Dark. Have you seen The Dark Crystal? HOST RL Marz: Indeed T83. ChanceOfRain02: snort OnlineHost: Charley Gordon has entered the room. Araiused: I did, OldWolf HOST RL Marz: Hiya Charley! Darkomik77: yep, owg, in fact, I have his book Araiused: Hi, Charley OldWolfGaidin: Well, am I wrong? Has King run out of gas, or what? T83BIRD: Hey Charley HOST RL Marz: We're talking about Elves Fantasy and illuminating prose right now. BLR WIZ: A door knob's destine is to be turned at regular intervals. OldWolfGaidin: Froud worked on The Dark Crystal. T83BIRD: OWG, King is sure not to run out of money. HOST RL Marz: OWG, I have to admit I kind of gave up on King a few years ago. ChanceOfRain02: well, he's done appliances, cars, and rabid dogs, what's left? OldWolfGaidin: Oh, neat, Dark. Charley Gordon: hi charley Darkomik77: owg, & he worked Labyrinth OldWolfGaidin: Cows, Chance! No wait, that's me. [] Darkomik77: he also that is HOST RL Marz: What was the name of that book about the joy-riding monsters in the van? OldWolfGaidin: I didn't know that, Dark. HOST RL Marz: Nor did I. Have Labyrinth...several copies actually. REGENTIC: Illuminating prose...like virtual light reflecting off a difference engine even. DerHexer: I did like Perdido St. Station. Perdido is Lost in Spanish Darkomik77: Froud worked with Jim Henson to create several weird creations Darkomik77: for both Dark Crystal & Labyrinth HOST RL Marz: King's Joy Riding Monsters came out as a companion novel to the one about the monstrous desert sheriff who liked locking people up in his ghost town. Araiused: "The silence in the chamber lengthened, unbroken except for the faint slapping sound of the ushabti's tongue on the floor tiles." - Tim Powers Darkomik77: oh yeah marz, one's Desperation & the other's The Regulators DerHexer: IMHO, King stopped writing good fiction when he came out w/Tommyknockers HOST RL Marz: One was under the King name and one was under a pseudonym....when he came out on the pseudonym. Darkomik77: that would be Richard Bachman Darkomik77: & that's the Regulators ChanceOfRain02: "Alas, the giant hedgehogs were to be no more" - The Eternal Frontier OldWolfGaidin: Tim Powers is said to be a follower of PDK. HOST RL Marz: Indeed that would...and frankly, I kinda of prefer the Bachman books. OldWolfGaidin: Giant hedgehogs? HOST RL Marz: PDK? ChanceOfRain02: nf wolf Darkomik77: Philip K Dick Darkomik77: marz HOST RL Marz: Ah...thanks. HOST RL Marz: PKD. OldWolfGaidin: I discovered that Phillip K Dick was influenced by A.E. Van Vogt. Darkomik77: familiar with Blade Runner? DerHexer: Well, I have some more e-mail to deal with. Night all HOST RL Marz: Pretty Darn Kwik, was what I thought of briefly there, lol. OnlineHost: DerHexer has left the room. Araiused: Nite, Der ChanceOfRain02: night Der OldWolfGaidin: Night, Der HOST RL Marz: Nite Der. T83BIRD: Nite Der Darkomik77: ciao der Araiused: LOLOL, Marz REGENTIC: Do Androids dream of electric sheep and if so are they Energy Star compliant? OldWolfGaidin: I thought Monty Python and I were the only ones who did giant hedgehogs. HOST RL Marz: LOLOL, Reggie. ChanceOfRain02: Don't think I've read Van Vogt. But I inherited a bunch. was it any good? Darkomik77: you wish reg ChanceOfRain02: Actually wolf, that was allegedly non-fiction. OldWolfGaidin: Inspired by a Web comic, "Do Ping-droids Dream of Electric Boyfriends?" Darkomik77: read 'em & find out chance ChanceOfRain02: I just liked the line HOST RL Marz: Van Vogt was primarily fantasy, wasn't he? Charley Gordon: Electric sheep dream of RAM, and I dream of ewe. OldWolfGaidin: I read one of the "Null A" books. It was good. Darkomik77: marz, nah, just SF HOST RL Marz: Awww Charlie...I guess you're making your own valentines again this year. ChanceOfRain02: Just wondering whether to move it up on the TBR list T83BIRD: lol Charley REGENTIC: LOL CG Darkomik77: Voyage of the Space Beagle HOST RL Marz: Thanks Dark. OldWolfGaidin: Van Vogt, according to Aldiss, had his own unique way of telling stories. Araiused: Charley, punfest is tomorrow OldWolfGaidin: Voyage of the Space Beagle was cool. HOST RL Marz: Indeed, and I should run that again...thanks for the reminder Ara. HOST RL Marz: ****TUESDAY, January 7, 10PM ET**** HOST RL Marz: ****.~^~^~^~^~^~IN THE O*W*C~^~^~^~^~^~**** HOST RL Marz: . HOST RL Marz: **** The months of dread anticipation are over! HOST RL Marz: **** The O*W*C medical team has pronounced the membership sufficiently recovered HOST RL Marz: **** to endure another round of etymological pun-ishment! HOST RL Marz: **** Join HOST RL Umbra in O*W*C chat for Punfestation! Charley Gordon: what's punfest? BLR WIZ: Van Vogt is great Araiused: Thwapping Charley HOST RL Marz: Oh Charley, if you think we're aberant now... Darkomik77: charley, a festival of puns HOST RL Marz: you should be here tomorrow. TAMirabile: I like Van Vogt T83BIRD: So do I, TAM. BLR WIZ: Also try the Players of Null A HOST RL Marz: We pull out the stops and go totally geekypunny. BLR WIZ: And the Weapon Shops of Istar. Darkomik77: Sadly, Van Vogt followed Elron & his scamatology HOST RL Marz: Weapsons Shop was superb. Thanks for reminding me. OldWolfGaidin: Van Vogt got involved in Dianetics and quit writing. [] Charley Gordon: Isher. Charley Gordon: gesundheit BLR WIZ: Any time Marz Araiused: That's stooopid, OldWolf HOST RL Marz: You know... as I recall from Weapons Shop at least, Van Vogt could paint a good picture with prose too. Darkomik77: yep ara, sadly as I said T83BIRD: Charley, it will take place tomorrow night, the Good Ludd willing and the Geeks do rise. Charley Gordon: lol TAMirabile: ROFL T HOST RL Marz: LOLOLOL, T8. OldWolfGaidin: It is, Ara. One of the last things he wrote was a piece of crud for Thieves' World BLR WIZ: lol REGENTIC: LOL Darkomik77: see? for T it's tongue in Geeks TAMirabile: LOL HOST RL Marz: Whoa! Araiused: T is honing for tomorrow . OldWolfGaidin: lol T83BIRD: thx Charley, BLR, REG, Mars TAMirabile: Yah T honespun Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 11] 1/6/2003 11:00 PM Araiused: LOL T83BIRD: Dark, tongue sand witches are one of my favs. HOST RL Marz: And another reminder about next week. January 13 - THEIR FAULT! In honor of Blame Someone HOST RL Marz: Else Day, as Geeks and Fen we have suffered socially for "breaking the curve," thinking about HOST RL Marz: "juvenile SF stuff," and (gasp) reading. It is now our solemn duty to create a scapegoat all our own -- HOST RL Marz: someone(s) or something(s) WE can castigate mercilessly. Join me to whine about why we don't HOST RL Marz: have household robots yet. Araiused: Thanks, Marz! T83BIRD: Nite Marz Thanks. HOST RL Marz: And January 17 JAMES VAN PELT - http://www.sff.net/people/james.van.pelt/ will be HOST RL Marz: joining us to talk about his latest book, STRANGERS AND BEGGARS. You can read his HOST RL Marz: story Parallel Highways at http://www.sff.net/people/james.van.pelt/sample.htm His fiction HOST RL Marz: has appeared in several publications, including Analog Science Fiction and Fact, Asimov's, HOST RL Marz: Realms of Fantasy, and Weird Tales. His non-fiction work has appeared in Tangent HOST RL Marz: magazine. Araiused: Oooh, a blame day Darkomik77: that should be fun ara REGENTIC: <---always blames the voices..it's usually their fault anyway [] HOST RL Marz: Goodnight everyone and thanks so much for joining in on the chat! BLR WIZ: Thanks for they chat Marz. Staying a bit. Night red-shifters. Araiused: Bleah, REG Darkomik77: ciao yall TAMirabile: Thanks, Marz! OldWolfGaidin: Thanks for Hosting, Marz T83BIRD: Nite leavers REGENTIC: Night Marz, thanks OldWolfGaidin: Night, all OnlineHost: Darkomik77 has left the room. HOST RL Marz: :::opens trap door::: OnlineHost: OldWolfGaidin has left the room. Araiused: Goodnight to redshifters. HOST RL Marz: :::looks around warily for Ara;::: HOST RL Marz: ::::drops::: Log Entry: Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 9] 1/6/2003 11:01 PM