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OWC Mars:	Everyone, let's please greet Beth
OWC Mars:	Gwinn, photographer and Stanley
OWC Mars:	Wiater, author!
OWC Mars:	Beth and Stanley are responsible for
OWC Mars:	the new book DARK DREAMERS:
OWC Mars:	Facing the Masters of Fear.  As many
OWC Mars:	of you know, Beth is responsible for
OWC Mars:	many of the photos that grace the
OWC Mars:	pages of LOCUS magazine.  Stanley
OWC Mars:	is currently involved in a television
OWC Mars:	project based on the book.
HOST EBK Astra:	?
OWC Mars:	Go ahead Astra.
HOST EBK Astra:	TV Project??
StanWiater:	I am working with a production team from Toronto to do a weekly TV series called DARK DREAMERS.
StanWiater:	We are editing shows for our second season.
HOST EBK Astra:	Fiction or bios?
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HOST EBK Astra:	FIJAGDH, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing photographer
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together, they have published DARK
HOST EBK Astra:	DREAMERS. If you have a question for Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or
HOST EBK Astra:	! to the screen and I will add you to the queue.
StanWiater:	Interviews with the people who have appeared in the book.
BG1818:	Hello Fijagdh
FIJAGDH:	Hi BG
BG1818:	Many of the people that Stanley is doing now are not in the book yet.
OWC Mars:	Thats great news Stanley.
HOST EBK Astra:	So if your in the 2nd season, is it already showing in Canada?
OWC Mars:	BTW, do you prefer Stanley or Stan?
StanWiater:	Yes--it is on the air in Canada. Stanley I prefer because then you can't call me "Dan."
OWC Mars:	LOL!  Thanks Stanley.
OWC Mars:	I have a question here for Beth from Cybling...
BG1818:	Shoot
OWC Mars:	mandopoet> Here's my question: I'm
OWC Mars:	intrigued by Beth Gwinn's connection
OWC Mars:	to country music as well as horror and
OWC Mars:	sci-fi. Does one need to think
OWC Mars:	differently about photographing people
OWC Mars:	in such different fields?
BG1818:	Yes you do.
BG1818:	My work in country has more to do with location that anything else.
BG1818:	I'm a native Nashvillian.  When I went into busy for myself, the music industry was what I moved toward.
BG1818:	It was for me an easy market at that time.  I really am a reader.  I'm constantly reading books and listening to books on tape.
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HOST EBK Astra:	TAMirabile, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
BG1818:	I meant to say business for myself.
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
BG1818:	Hello Tamirabile
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi TAM :)
OWC Mars:	Hi Tam!
TAMirabile:	Hi, BG
StanWiater:	Hello!
BG1818:	Did that answer his question?
TAMirabile:	Hi, Stan
OWC Mars:	Yes, thanks! Beth... how did you move
OWC Mars:	from Country Music photography into
OWC Mars:	photographing the SF and Horror
OWC Mars:	authors and artists?
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HOST EBK Astra:	JDipale, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
BG1818:	I got into going to some local conventions before I was doing that much work in country.  The local conventions of course lead to bigger more national conventions.
BG1818:	Hello JDipale
HOST EBK Astra:	Hi JD :)
OWC Mars:	Thanks Beth.
StanWiater:	Hello!
BG1818:	I wanted to be a photographer when I started out.  I wasn't looking at any one subject.
BG1818:	I met Charles Brown at World Fantasy in Ottawa in 1984.
BG1818:	That began my relationship with Locus.  Country always did well for me.  That was my local gig.
OWC Mars:	Thanks Beth.  Stanley...
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HOST EBK Astra:	SpleenVent, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
OWC Mars:	How did you first meet Beth and what...
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
OWC Mars:	Let me repeat... Stanley...
FIJAGDH:	???
OWC Mars:	How did you first meet Beth, and how did the collaboration...
BG1818:	Hello SpleenVent
OWC Mars:	on DARK DREAMERS come about?
StanWiater:	Beth and I may have first met at WFC 1984, but the way. If not then, then soon after at the next WFC or an early World Horror Con.
HOST EBK Astra:	Figgy, you've been added to the queue
SpleenVent:	Hiya BG,FIJ,Astra,Mars,JD,Stan & TAM !!!!!!!!!!!
BG1818:	I knew you before World Horror began.  
BG1818:	I was at a couple of early NEcons
StanWiater:	I had a career going as an interviewer, and she approached me to put her concept together into a book, and to introduce her to some of the folks she had not yet made friends with.
StanWiater:	Maybe it was at Necon. I started going back in 1980 at the age of 12.
BG1818:	LOL
OWC Mars:	Oh cool.
OWC Mars:	And Beth, you were 10?
BG1818:	Yeah right
StanWiater:	That's true, all right.
OWC Mars:	So how long *have* you two been working on this book?
BG1818:	10 or 11 years.
OWC Mars:	Cool.  Astra?  Queue?
StanWiater:	Seems like only a decade to me.
OWC Mars:	lol
HOST EBK Astra:	The current Queue contains the following users: FIJAGDH
BG1818:	I think it was a decade last year.
HOST EBK Astra:	FIJAGDH (Darn PT)
OWC Mars:	Go for it Figgy.
FIJAGDH:	BG,because JD and I are twins, how do you answer the difficult question of "who is the most
FIJAGDH:	handsome man you have ever photographed"? Both of us? Or does it depend on how each
FIJAGDH:	individual picture turns out?
HOST EBK Astra:	::: thwaps Figgy with a large salmon ::: LOL
BG1818:	That's a tough question.  You know I've had crushes on Neil Gaiman for number of years.
BG1818:	Yet I do not feel that Neil's photograph is the best in the book.  My favorite is the Gahan Wilson photo.
FIJAGDH:	!
BG1818:	Gahan has a great face.
StanWiater:	The Gahan Wilson is definitely one of ten best photos in the book.
OWC Mars:	Figgy...your follow-up?
FIJAGDH:	Thanks, BG. :/  And I'm not sure if I'm ready to see what Gahan Wilson really looks
FIJAGDH:	like. : )
JDipale:	LOL, FIJ
BG1818:	He'll be a quest at the World Horror in Chicago next year.
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OWC Mars:	Beth...Stanley... about how many conventions do the two of you attend each year?
HOST EBK Astra:	Araiused, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
Araiused:	Evening
StanWiater:	Not as many as Beth! Maybe three to four.
BG1818:	I'm trying to count them on my fingers.
StanWiater:	Always NECON, and usually World Horror and World Fantasy.
HOST EBK Astra:	And Beth gets to go to the Nebulas every year!
BG1818:	I do in March the Conference on the Fantastic in Florida.  April is the Nebula Awards.  April or May world Horror.
BG1818:	July is Westercon, August is World Con, and October is World Fantasy.
OWC Mars:	Any total yet, Beth?
HOST EBK Astra:	?
BG1818:	I think I counted 6
OWC Mars:	That's quite a few conventions.  Astra... go ahead.
HOST EBK Astra:	Did the subjects in the book have any say-so on how they were posed? I was wondering
HOST EBK Astra:	about Eggleton's :)
Araiused:	   ?
HOST EBK Astra:	He wasn't flipping his hair. ga
OWC Mars:	LOL!
BG1818:	Yes they did have say in how they posed.  I tell people to be comfortable.
BG1818:	I did but Bob on the bed for the photo.  He's an easy person to photograph.
HOST EBK Astra:	Heh.
OWC Mars:	Astra, queue?
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OWC Mars:	Ara, go ahead.
JDipale:	Did beth say she did Bob???
Araiused:	Beth, do you go to authors' homes to take their pictures?
HOST EBK Astra:	Re's TAM :)
Araiused:	Re's TAM :)
BG1818:	LOL I photographed Bob on his bed.  YEs
TAMirabile:	Thanks
HOST EBK Astra:	JD - he's on page 85
FIJAGDH:	:::::offers twin anti-salmon device::::
Araiused:	Beware of salmonella!
BG1818:	It depends.  If I photograph someone at a con, then it's in a hotel or somewhere close to a hotel.
FIJAGDH:	lol
BG1818:	When I went after specific people.  Then I usually photographed them in there home or at the office.
Araiused:	At your office?
HOST EBK Astra:	?
BG1818:	No there office.  None of the people in the book were photographed in my home state or city.
BG1818:	Only one of them use to live here.
OWC Mars:	Astra... go ahead.
HOST EBK Astra:	Question to both Beth and Stanley. Tell all time - who was the most difficult? :)
HOST EBK Astra:	Give us dirt. GA
FIJAGDH:	::::points at JD:::
BG1818:	Let's ask Stanley who was the most difficult for him to do an interview with.
StanWiater:	Let me have time to fake a good answer...
HOST EBK Astra:	::: spotlight on Stanley :::
HOST EBK Astra:	LOL
OWC Mars:	That was adroit Beth 8^7
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth is too nice :)
StanWiater:	Perhaps Dean Koontz--he is very cautious of every word he says, never mind every word he writes.
FIJAGDH:	!
OWC Mars:	Ah... and that was a lovely and diplomatic answer too, Stanley.  Thank you.
OWC Mars:	Stanley...do you do the interviews...
HOST EBK Astra:	Ah pooh :)
OWC Mars:	for the book DARK DREAMERS at the same time that...
OWC Mars:	Beth shoots the photo, or is there some other arrangement?
BG1818:	The ones that I had the most trouble with were Ray Bradbury.  He hasn't been very self conscience since  he's aged.  So he doesn't like to be photographed.
BG1818:	He is very self conscience, I meant to say
StanWiater:	No we work totally at different times and often in different spaces--we had ten years to make it appear like it all was put together in a nammer of months.
BG1818:	Ramsey Campbell kept running away from me.  But I think he was just teasing.
BG1818:	Next question.....  m
OWC Mars:	Cool.... Astra... queue?
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StanWiater:	I try to interview people repeatedly over the years so they will eventually let down their defenses.
BG1818:	Most of the photos are shot at a very different time than the interview.
OWC Mars:	Go ahead Figgy.
FIJAGDH:	Thanks, Mars, Astra, and especially BG and Stanley. G'night all.
HOST EBK Astra:	Night Figgy :)
Araiused:	Goodnight, Figgy
Araiused:	?
JDipale:	Nite Figgy
BG1818:	Night Figgy
TAMirabile:	Night FIJ
StanWiater:	I am proud to say many people I have interviewed have told me they feel most comfortable with me because I also write horror fiction.
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OWC Mars:	That's interesting Stanley.  Horror
OWC Mars:	authors have a "sympathy" with each
OWC Mars:	other that, say, Fantasy and SF
OWC Mars:	authors wouldn't?
StanWiater:	I have been interviewing some people for more than 25 years.
BG1818:	Scary isn't it Stanley.
StanWiater:	Good thing we started when we were children, right?
Araiused:	Why the title *Dark* Dreamers?
BG1818:	Yeah right
OWC Mars:	From Cybling...mandopoet> It's bed time for me as well -- thanks to everyone.
StanWiater:	Beth and I had several alternate titles.
Araiused:	Nite, Poet
BG1818:	Dark Dreamers was the title of a book that Stanley did several years ago.
BG1818:	I liked the name and lobbied with him for it.
StanWiater:	yes--we eventually agreed that the term still worked for the photograph collection.
TAMirabile:	?
OWC Mars:	Astra, Queue?
StanWiater:	Dean Koontz hates being called a horror writer--but he has no trouble at all being termed a "dark dreamer."
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OWC Mars:	Go ahead Tam.
TAMirabile:	Are the pictures the latest ones you've taken, or  favorites?   Do you have photos back years and years of some of them?
BG1818:	Yes I do.  Depends on the person. 
TAMirabile:	How do you decide which?
BG1818:	When I first decided to do this.  I went through my files of people that I'd photographed before.  To see if I had anything I liked.
BG1818:	My method was the same rather I pulled old photos or was chosing from new photos.  I'd make small prints of my favorites.  Then I'd lay them out and see what caught my eye.  
BG1818:	It had to catch my eye and I had to figure out why it caught my eye before I'd decide to use it.
OWC Mars:	Stanley...
OWC Mars:	Beth mentioned earlier ...
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HOST EBK Astra:	Kakaze, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
OWC Mars:	that the folks you're interviewing for the
OWC Mars:	second season of DARK e
OWC Mars:	DREAMERS... the TV show...
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
Kakaze:	Hi all!!!
OWC Mars:	haven't been added to the book yet.
Kakaze:	Astra!!!!
OWC Mars:	Are the two of you planning on doing a second book?
HOST EBK Astra:	::: waving :::
BG1818:	Hello Kakaze
Kakaze:	Hi, Bg!!!
StanWiater:	Yes, we just got back from shooting for five weeks in L.A., and believe that we will expand the current volume into an even better collection sometime next year.
BG1818:	What we are hoping for is to get a trade edition of the book. We hope to add people to it for the trade addition.
TAMirabile:	!
OWC Mars:	Astra...queue?
HOST EBK Astra:	The current Queue contains the following users: TAMirabile
OWC Mars:	Go ahead Tam.
TAMirabile:	A trilogy  ?
StanWiater:	I hope to sell the TV series to the States next spring, and then it will all tie in.
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HOST EBK Astra:	T83BIRD, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
T83BIRD:	Hey there, all.
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BG1818:	Hello T83Bird
HOST EBK Astra:	Tsalters, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
StanWiater:	Greetings.
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
BG1818:	Howdy Tsalters
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
OWC Mars:	That's great news, Stanley.  So for
Araiused:	Hi, T
OWC Mars:	now, if we wanted to see DARK
OWC Mars:	DREAMERS  the TV show, we'd have A
OWC Mars:	to be in Canada.
Araiused:	Hi, Tsalters
Araiused:	No kidding, Mars?
OWC Mars:	And you have two seasons in the can.
Kakaze:	Canada is evil.
Kakaze:	:ducking:
Araiused:	THWACK
OWC Mars:	What channel/s is it shown on Stanley?  For those of us who are canadian.
StanWiater:	Yes. The production is based in Toronto. But 90 percent of the people we interview are American writers and filmmakers. Cross your fingers for me.
JDipale:	Hard to type with crossed fingers
Araiused:	Are they being shown on the Space Channel?
StanWiater:	It is on CH-TV, which I believe is channel 11. We are waiting for our new air date, which should be announced in a press release in the next few wwkes.
StanWiater:	Sorry, not on the Space Channel.
HOST EBK Astra:	LOL
OWC Mars:	Thanks Stanley.  Okay...we know now
OWC Mars:	that we have to be in Canada right now
OWC Mars:	to see the show...hopefully soon here
OWC Mars:	in the states...
T83BIRD:	?
OWC Mars:	But how do we get a peek at the book?  Is there a URL?
TAMirabile:	!
StanWiater:	There is an official website for the book.
BG1818:	Stanley do you have the website address handy?
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Araiused:	Nope, don't get CH-TV in Alberta
HOST EBK Astra:	Athanor IX, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
Athanor IX:	Hi.
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
StanWiater:	alas, I do not. However, if you go to www.stanleywiater.com you will find a direct to it.
StanWiater:	A direct link to the official site, that is.
Araiused:	Hi, Ath
BG1818:	Howdy AthanorIX
OWC Mars:	Thanks Stanley.  Astra, queue?
HOST EBK Astra:	The current Queue contains the following users: T83BIRD, TAMirabile
OWC Mars:	T8.. go ahead.
T83BIRD:	Can Dark Dreamers be found on a Directv channel?
BG1818:	That is a Stanley question.
StanWiater:	I don't honestly know. I cannot get it on my Directv here in Massachusetts.
T83BIRD:	Thanks anyway.
OWC Mars:	Thanks Stanley..  Tam... go ahead.
TAMirabile:	I seem to have one of the first cases of flu around.  I'm taking it back to bed.  Good night!   Thanks, Beth, Stanley, Mars and Astra!
HOST EBK Astra:	Night TAM :)
StanWiater:	But the producers have spent over 500,000 dollars on producing the show, so I have to think they will be successful in selling here in the US.
OWC Mars:	Goodnight Tam.
T83BIRD:	Nite TAM
Araiused:	Goodnight, TAM!
BG1818:	Good night Tamirabile!  I hope you get to feeling better.
StanWiater:	Night!
OWC Mars:	Thanks Stanley, I for one can't wait.
OWC Mars:	I've seen some of the pictures and
OWC Mars:	interviews on the website, and they're
OWC Mars:	really exceptional.
OWC Mars:	Do you have a title for the second Dark Dreamers yet?
BG1818:	It will be the same title.  The only difference will be that it will have a photo on the cover, and probably be paperback.
StanWiater:	Since the general public doesn't know about the book or the show, we will keep it the same.
BG1818:	Well, it will have photos added to the photos that are there.  So that will be different.
StanWiater:	The book is advertised at the end of every episode now.
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HOST EBK Astra:	RowrBasil, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
OWC Mars:	That's cool.
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
Araiused:	Hi, Rowr
BG1818:	Hello!  RowrBasil\
Kakaze:	Rowr!
T83BIRD:	Hi Rowr
StanWiater:	Everyone seems to want the book and the TV show to cross promote each other in the next year, if all goes as planned.
RowrBasil:	oh hello Kak
Araiused:	?
OWC Mars:	You know, that sounds like exceptional marketing.
BG1818:	Keeping fingers crossed
OWC Mars:	Astra... queue.
RowrBasil:	Tried telepathy..but the fellow was so dull he bored me out of his mind..
HOST EBK Astra:	The current Queue contains the following users: Araiused
OWC Mars:	Ara... go ahead.
Araiused:	When are they going to air the TV show and who is starring in it?
Kakaze:	That's it?  I'm reduced to an afterthought?  "Oh hello"?
StanWiater:	Very soon in Canada. Some of the people for the new season: Wes Craven, Stan Winston, Nancy Holder, actress Brinke Stevens, Mick Garris.
StanWiater:	John Landis. Sean Cunningham. Fred Olen Ray. Julie Strain.
OWC Mars:	Ooooh excellent.
OWC Mars:	Now, Beth, how are you scheduling the photo shoots for these authors and others?
StanWiater:	Craig Spector. Richard Christian Matheson.
Araiused:	?
BG1818:	I hope to do a trip out to LA in January.  My work is dead that time of year.  So I hope to pick up some of the people that I haven't photoed yet.
StanWiater:	Charles Band. Bob Burns. Composer Richard Band.
OWC Mars:	Good golly Miss Molly, Stanley...that's quite a line up!
StanWiater:	John Skipp. Director William Lustig. Del Howison of Dark Delicacies.
StanWiater:	That's not half of it--he said so humbly.
BG1818:	He was out there in September, following these folks around and hunting them down.
T83BIRD:	Thanks and best wishes, Beth, Stanley, Mars, & Astra, but must leave now.  Nite all.
HOST EBK Astra:	Night T!
Kakaze:	Night T!
StanWiater:	Night!
OWC Mars:	Nite T8.
BG1818:	good night T83bird
BG1818:	Sweet dreams.
Araiused:	Is each episode a separate story or do the episodes tie in together?
Araiused:	Nite, T!
StanWiater:	We sometimes do two people a show (the show is a half hour.) Sometimes, like with Wes Craven, we have enough material to do two half hour shows.
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HOST EBK Astra:	Darkomik77, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
BG1818:	Hello Darkomik77
Araiused:	Hi, Dark
Darkomik77:	yo
StanWiater:	I am pleased to say I have complete control of who I pick for the show.
OWC Mars:	That's something right there.  Stanley...may I ask where you get your clout?
BG1818:	So don't piss Stanley off.
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OWC Mars:	That's semi-professional curiosity there.
HOST EBK Astra:	Bluehwk403, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
BG1818:	Hello Bluehwk403
Araiused:	Hi, Blue
Darkomik77:	yo blue
StanWiater:	I guess after 25 years I am the biggest fish in a very small pond.
Bluehwk403:	Hi guys
OWC Mars:	Folks...if you have questions for
OWC Mars:	Stanley or Beth, now is the time to get
OWC Mars:	into queue because we'll be ripping off
OWC Mars:	the duct tape in just a few minutes.
Darkomik77:	?
OWC Mars:	Stanley...
StanWiater:	The other secret is that I love this genre more than anyone--and the people I interview KNOW it.
OWC Mars:	And Beth...do you have any plans to do similar books in different genres... like SF?
BG1818:	I am thinking about it.  We will have to see how the world turns the next few years.
HOST EBK Astra:	Please do :)
OWC Mars:	Yes, please do consider it.  The book you have out now is absolutely gorgeous.
OWC Mars:	Astra...queue.
StanWiater:	Beth is the best at whatever genre she turns her head to.
HOST EBK Astra:	The current Queue contains the following users: Darkomik77
OWC Mars:	Darko...please go ahead with your question.
Darkomik77:	how do you come by this project?
BG1818:	It was my idea.  I ask Stanley to work on it with me
BG1818:	It was just an idea that we made become a reality.
OWC Mars:	Yes, I am also interested in how you went about getting a publisher for DARK DREAMERS.
StanWiater:	Do you have a week?
BG1818:	That was a long an bummy road.
StanWiater:	Bumpy, too/
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HOST EBK Astra:	RhoadKyll2, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
Araiused:	Hi, Rhoad
BG1818:	The first one, we got becasue of Stanley.  He knew that publisher and had done some work with him.
OWC Mars:	LOLOL....well...personally I have about 20 hours, Stanley...
RhoadKyll2:	aloha
BG1818:	Hello Rhoadkyll2
Araiused:	!
StanWiater:	But he had to drop out.
BG1818:	But then they publisher, decided he didn't want to publish anymore.
BG1818:	So we went searching again.  This time I send the project to an agent I knew.  He had us a deal within 2 weeks.
StanWiater:	It went through several agents, too.
StanWiater:	Timing is everything, right?
OWC Mars:	So this was a work of love and then you had to love to work to get it born.  Excellent.
OWC Mars:	Astra...queue?
BG1818:	To a publisher we both know and neither one of us thought about.
HOST EBK Astra:	The current Queue contains the following users: Araiused
Araiused:	A book for SF would be cool: Dreamers of the Future :)
BG1818:	Yes I think timing is very important.  It's just pain waiting for the right moment.
StanWiater:	Which is why we only sold "limited edition" rights only.
BG1818:	Hey I like that name Araiused
StanWiater:	Good name!
Kakaze:	Tell 'em how you came up with it Ara!  :-)
OWC Mars:	Beth, Stanley, I think we'll all want to
OWC Mars:	thank you for your perseverance and
OWC Mars:	patience in getting this book out.  I'm
OWC Mars:	assuming that it's available via
OWC Mars:	Amazon, Barns and Noble etc?
HOST EBK Astra:	<-- proud owner of a signed 1st edition :)
Araiused:	By eating before the computer, Kak :)
Kakaze:	:-p
StanWiater:	Yes. And direct from the publisher, Cemetery Dance.
Araiused:	Pooh, Astra
HOST EBK Astra:	?
OWC Mars:	Oh excellent...so we can add Cemetery Dance's URL to the log page.
BG1818:	I know Amazon has it.  I also know that no local Barnes and Noble has it here around Nashville.
OWC Mars:	Astra...go ahead.
HOST EBK Astra:	Stanley, you will come to a SF WorldCon, so I can get your sig too? :)
StanWiater:	Yes, I will.
OWC Mars:	Folks... we've had Stanley Wiater and
OWC Mars:	Beth Gwinn on the hot seat for over an
OWC Mars:	hour now.  Any last questions?
Araiused:	Conjose?
HOST EBK Astra:	Whoo hoo!
BG1818:	What World con will you be going to, Stanley?  I've never seen you at a World con.
StanWiater:	I haven't gone for over a decade. Probably not till the next one in Boston--but you never know, if the show takes me to one earlier.
HOST EBK Astra:	San Jose or Toronto?
HOST EBK Astra:	Oh pooh, not Boston :/
StanWiater:	Toronto seems a good bet.
BG1818:	Toronto would be nice.  It will be in August.
OWC Mars:	LOL. Well then I'm looking forward to
OWC Mars:	meeting the both of you there or at
OWC Mars:	next year's World Horror Convention in
OWC Mars:	Chicago.
StanWiater:	I will be there.
BG1818:	I will be too.
OWC Mars:	Folks...let's take a moment to thank
OWC Mars:	Stanley and Beth for coming out to
OWC Mars:	answer our questions!
OWC Mars:	::applause::::
HOST EBK Astra:	::: applause :::
Araiused:	Thank you, Beth and Stanley!
StanWiater:	You
OWC Mars:	And try to talk them into staying for a bit (if they can) for a little open chat.
StanWiater:	'are welcome
BG1818:	Thank you.  Thank you.
Araiused:	The bar is open, Beth and Stanley :)
Darkomik77:	(clap clap clap reeeeaaaaallllll slllloooowwwlllyy)
OWC Mars:	Thank you so much Stanley and Beth.
HOST EBK Astra:	::: Slides the drinks down the bar :::
HOST EBK Astra:	c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_) c(_)
OWC Mars:	And Astra makes strong ones...watch out Stanley.
Kakaze:	Yay, open chat!
Araiused:	Gargleblasters!
OWC Mars:	:::picks up cast iron skillet and looks directly at someone in the food chain:::
RhoadKyll2:	those look like Mr MaGoo
HOST EBK Astra:	ROFL
Kakaze:	Where's the honey and apple slices?
OWC Mars:	Stanley, Beth, can you stay with us for a bit?
Darkomik77:	don't you even think it mars
Kakaze:	0;-)
BG1818:	I'll be here for a few minutes.  I feel a little sleepy so not too long.
OnlineHost:	BLR WIZ has entered the room.
HOST EBK Astra:	BLR WIZ, welcome to the O*W*C - tonight OWC Mars is interviewing
OWC Mars:	Hi BLR!
HOST EBK Astra:	photographer Beth Gwinn and author Stanley Wiater! Together,
BG1818:	Hello BLR WIZ
HOST EBK Astra:	they have published DARK DREAMERS. If you have a question for
HOST EBK Astra:	Beth or Stanley, or a comment, please type a ? or ! to the screen
Darkomik77:	yo blr
HOST EBK Astra:	and I will add you to the queue.
Araiused:	Hi, BLR
HOST EBK Astra:	Whoops. No more queue :)
Kakaze:	Sleepy?  You're in Texas right, Bg?  It's only 9!
OWC Mars:	Astra...I think you can sommersault out and change your snappy uniform, now.
Darkomik77:	oh well astra
BLR WIZ:	Hi, Astra, Mars, RhoadKyll2, Athanor IX, Darkomik77, Araiused, 
BLR WIZ:	Kakaze, StanWiater, HOST EBK Astra, BG1818
OWC Mars:	Thank you so much for you help!
Kakaze:	Wiz!
HOST EBK Astra:	:::: cartwheeling out :::::
OWC Mars:	LOLOL.
BG1818:	I'm in Nashville and it's 10.
BG1818:	It's 10 in Texas too.
OWC Mars:	Newcomers... Stanley and Beth will stay with us a bit.
Kakaze:	Regardless...the night is young :-D
OnlineHost:	Gandalara has entered the room.
BLR WIZ:	Its 11:17 here
BLR WIZ:	Hi Gand.
Gandalara:	:::: thud! ::::
Darkomik77:	I'm in San Diego, it's 8
OWC Mars:	Hi Gand...welcome to the chat with Stanley Wiater and Beth Gwinn.
Kakaze:	Gand!
Araiused:	Hey, Gand
Darkomik77:	yo gand
BG1818:	For those who have young strong bodies the night may be young but for me it isn't.
Gandalara:	::: waving from the floor ::::
OWC Mars:	Stanley... you say you've been
OWC Mars:	interviewing for over 25 years...started
OWC Mars:	at the tender age of 12 did you?
Kakaze:	Aww...you won't even stay for us?  :sniffle:
StanWiater:	Well, maybe add a decade or so to that...
OWC Mars:	8^D
Darkomik77:	I have couple of your books stan
BG1818:	Hello Gandalara!  I assume that was you in disquise in here earlier.
Darkomik77:	one is called Dark Dreamers
OWC Mars:	You mentioned that you've written other books...horror books I assume?
Gandalara:	That was innocent little me :)
Kakaze:	Innocent?
Darkomik77:	the other is called something I ferget
Kakaze:	:snicker:
BG1818:	?  YEah I wondered about tha innocent look.
Darkomik77:	has to do with films
Gandalara:	Well, I fool some of the people some of the time :)
BLR WIZ:	But the Booms tend to give you away.
Araiused:	There is a TV show in production, Dark
StanWiater:	Another was called DARK VISIONS, and still another is DARK THOUGHTS: ON WRITING.
Darkomik77:	thanks
OWC Mars:	Stanley, can you throw your personal
Darkomik77:	that's the one I was thinking of
OWC Mars:	URL up for us again so that we can
OWC Mars:	visit your site...and thus gain access
OWC Mars:	to your full bibliography?
Darkomik77:	stan, is Dark Thoughts out already?
OnlineHost:	SlipperyJim7017 has entered the room.
StanWiater:	it is www.stanleywiater.com
Araiused:	Hi, Jim
Darkomik77:	yo slip
BLR WIZ:	Hi Slip
Gandalara:	Hi Jim!
OWC Mars:	Thanks Stanley...Hi Sippery!
OWC Mars:	Folks...pardon me for being such a /
OWC Mars:	slug.  Gird your loins for macro deluxe.
OWC Mars:	FRIDAY, NOV 15, 9pm-11pm
OWC Mars:	ET --  o/~ Decks of Holo
OWC Mars:	Running Holly / Fah-La-La-La-
OWC Mars:	La-La Ka-Plah! o/~  As the
OWC Mars:	holiday season approaches, it's
OWC Mars:	time once more to think warm
SlipperyJim7017:	hello everyone
OWC Mars:	fuzzy thoughts of what occasions
OWC Mars:	SF offers.  Grab a case of Blood
OWC Mars:	Nog as SF General snuggles up
OWC Mars:	to a warm fusion reactor and
OWC Mars:	sings tales of SF Holidays.
OWC Mars:	THEN
OWC Mars:	FRIDAY, NOV 15, 10pm-12am
OWC Mars:	ET --  How do you apply the
OWC Mars:	reasoning of environmentalists to a
OWC Mars:	whole sterile planet? Is the prerogative
OWC Mars:	of life itself to extend to new
OWC Mars:	environments in the form of humans
OWC Mars:	and the earth life they bring along,
OWC Mars:	stronger than the resistance to a
OWC Mars:	technological future? What happens if
OWC Mars:	we find a world with low level life
OWC Mars:	already present? What planetary
OWC Mars:	objects are worthy of preservation in
OWC Mars:	their 'natural state' ? Join HOST EBK
OWC Mars:	Imperialism: Terraforming Other
OWC Mars:	Astra for a chat on Environmental
OWC Mars:	Planets!
Araiused:	Wowie!
OWC Mars:	:::whew!!:::
BG1818:	Howdy SlipperyJim
Gandalara:	Holy Macro, Batman!
Araiused:	You must be winded, Mars :)
Kakaze:	Holy young boy trapped in a cave, Gand.
Kakaze:	:ducking:
Darkomik77:	hehehe
OWC Mars:	Slippery...we're chatting with Beth
OWC Mars:	Gwin and Stanley
OWC Mars:	Wiater...collaborators on the book
OWC Mars:	DARK DREAMERS: Facing the
OWC Mars:	Masters of Fear.
Darkomik77:	yeh he's trapped alwight
StanWiater:	Folks--I have to call it a night. Any last question I can answer?
OWC Mars:	Stanley...thanks so much. ::::applause applause:::
Darkomik77:	I have one: Is Dark Thoughts out already?
Gandalara:	Thanks Stanley! Night! ::: applause :::
Araiused:	Good luck with future projects, Stanley!
OWC Mars:	Look forward to seeing the TV show when it gets here to the states.
StanWiater:	Yes, DARK THOUGHTS: ON WRITING is out--and won a Stoker Award in 1997.
Darkomik77:	thanks
Darkomik77:	just wanna know
StanWiater:	Thanks for all your support and kind words! Visit my website and stay well and happy!
OWC Mars:	Superb...thanks Stanley.  Looks like you're going to have to hunt that one down Dark.
BG1818:	I think I have to say good night as well.  I have a cat that is getting very demanding about attention.
BLR WIZ:	Thnks Stan
StanWiater:	Goodnight!
OWC Mars:	Goodnight!
Araiused:	Goodnight, BG!
Kakaze:	Night Stan!
Darkomik77:	yeh I will mars
Gandalara:	Thanks Beth! See ya later :)
Darkomik77:	cyz stan
Kakaze:	Night Bg!
OWC Mars:	Goodnight Beth!
Darkomik77:	beth
BG1818:	Good night and sweet dreams all.  Take care!  BYE!
StanWiater:	Goodnight all--and a hug to Beth!
Darkomik77:	nice people
Darkomik77:	these are
Araiused:	Can we party now?  :)
OWC Mars:	Yes they are Dark.  Lucky they could make it by...
SlipperyJim7017:	gn BG1818
OWC Mars:	Yes...we may party now.
Kakaze:	Now?  I already started.
Darkomik77:	sure ara (shoots up in the ceiling)
OWC Mars:	Stanley has been flying all over for the TV show.
Kakaze:	:-)
Gandalara:	:::: climbs up on table ::::
Darkomik77:	ahh drat
Araiused:	:: shooting gargleblasters at Kak :::
OWC Mars:	We were very very lucky he could join Beth tonight.
Darkomik77:	looks like I punched a hole in the ceiling
Kakaze:	What, are you the Sci Fi version of Rosie O'Donnell, Ara?
OWC Mars:	And speaking of interesting guests....
Darkomik77:	mars, I'
OWC Mars:	In 2 Weeks: November 29 -  JOHN
OWC Mars:	SHANAHAN
OWC Mars:	John Shanahan has been writing
OWC Mars:	sword and sorcery, horror, and
OWC Mars:	dark fiction short stories since 1995.
OWC Mars:	The Cúmor stories, in their earlier
OWC Mars:	guise as "The Tales of K'aa the
OWC Mars:	Slayer," first appeared in Shadow
OWC Mars:	Sword magazine and later on the
Darkomik77:	m familiar with Wiater
OWC Mars:	Orphic Chronicle Web site.
OWC Mars:	Unlike most mamby-pamby
OWC Mars:	fantasy, Shanahan's hard hitting
OWC Mars:	action and razor sharp prose is
OWC Mars:	enough to turn a hard-headed hard
OWC Mars:	SF fan's head.  Get that browser of
OWC Mars:	yours over to his website for
OWC Mars:	excerpts.  You *won't* regret it.
OWC Mars:	******************
OWC Mars:	http://www.cumor.com/
Darkomik77:	and his work
OWC Mars:	And I'm saying that because I started reading his excerpt on his site and couldn't stop.
Gandalara:	Macro Mama Mars :)
Araiused:	Blah, Kak
Kakaze:	Macros suck!  Down with Macros!
OWC Mars:	And I am a hard-headed hard SF fan.
Kakaze:	Delayed reaction, Ara?
Araiused:	Sidetracked by the macro, Kak
Kakaze:	Umm hmm.
Darkomik77:	and I'm the El creepo of horror fan
Araiused:	Well, pencil it in your diary, Dark
OWC Mars:	Darko...I'd be interested in hearing what you think of Shanahan's excerpt on his site.
OWC Mars:	Next week is Turkey Day.
OnlineHost:	DerHexer has entered the room.
Darkomik77:	yo der
DerHexer:	Hi all
Gandalara:	Next week is LosCon <g>
OWC Mars:	Hey DerHexer!  Welcome to the O*W*C
Gandalara:	Hi Der!
BLR WIZ:	 Hi Der
Darkomik77:	kak quick hide yer hair
Araiused:	I thought Turkey Day was on the 29th?
Kakaze:	Pah.
DerHexer:	Zo, what's the topic?
OWC Mars:	How many folks here consider
OWC Mars:	themselves SF fans primarily and how
OWC Mars:	many consider themselves fantasy
OWC Mars:	fans first?
Gandalara:	4th Thursday in November, Ara, it always changes dates
OWC Mars:	Der...we just got through interviewing
OWC Mars:	Stanley Wiater and Beth Gwinn...
Gandalara:	<--- SF fan
OWC Mars:	collaborators on the book DARK
OWC Mars:	DREAMERS.
Araiused:	I straddle both genres, Mars
DerHexer:	I consider myself an SF fan, and I really don't like fantasy
Darkomik77:	I'm all three mars, SF fantasy & horror fan
Darkomik77:	straight up
Athanor IX:	I'm a fan of what I like
Araiused:	I'm not too much into horro.
BLR WIZ:	I alternate days between a wave and a particle.
OWC Mars:	Cool...Der...I dare you to read an excerpt at http://www.cumor.com
Araiused:	Good line, Ath :)
Darkomik77:	same here ath
DerHexer:	Exqueeze me
OWC Mars:	I'm interested to learn if I'm the only
OWC Mars:	Hard SF fan who finds Shanahan's
OWC Mars:	fantasy compelling.
Gandalara:	SF or Fantasy or Horror? Go to http://www.cybling.com/boards/spectro.html and take a
Gandalara:	fun test :)
Darkomik77:	never heard of him mars
SlipperyJim7017:	SCI-FI is top of my list
OWC Mars:	You'll get to meet him here on the 29th Dark.
OWC Mars:	Why thanks Gand...that is a fun test.
Gandalara:	I still check it occasionally :)
OWC Mars:	Funny that you should mention that, Dark.  Not hearing of him...
Araiused:	One test is not enough, Gand/
Gandalara:	I think I came out at 85 or 90% SF :)
Araiused:	?
OWC Mars:	that's one of the reasons I first came
OWC Mars:	online to chat...I had no idea of who to
OWC Mars:	read and who to pass up once I got
OWC Mars:	past the golden age authors.
Gandalara:	Ara - people put recommendations up, after they take the test
Darkomik77:	mars, it's true, I've never heard of him
DerHexer:	You sure that is the right Web site, Mars?  Got an unknown host msg
Darkomik77:	until now
OWC Mars:	Just a second.
OWC Mars:	Dark, I never heard of Allen Steele before I met him here.
Gandalara:	Whoo hoo!
Darkomik77:	I've heard of Allen Steele
Darkomik77:	he's been around a looong time
Darkomik77:	I've seen some of his older books
Gandalara:	Chronospace! Award marterial :)
OWC Mars:	Der...yes I'm sure that's the correct
OWC Mars:	website, but I also know that tornados
OWC Mars:	are tearing up Texas right now.
BLR WIZ:	Don't they have to clock in at dusk?  mars
Darkomik77:	well then blame it on the tornados for the screw up mars
OWC Mars:	It may very well be that things are
OWC Mars:	down right now, but watch the O*W*C
OWC Mars:	mailer in case there's a new URL.
Darkomik77:	blr, chaos never clock in
BLR WIZ:	Got that right Dark
OnlineHost:	Araiused has entered the room.
Gandalara:	re's Ara
BLR WIZ:	Re Ara
OWC Mars:	BLR...sorry...doesn't *who* have to clock in at Dusk?
Darkomik77:	wb ara
Araiused:	Blah
DerHexer:	Hi Ara
OWC Mars:	Re's Ara.
BLR WIZ:	Tornados,  Mars.    a bad joke...
Darkomik77:	(boppin' to Ministry's NWO)
OWC Mars:	Oh.  LOL.  You know all that weather
OWC Mars:	down there just makes me think of
OWC Mars:	Stirling's HEAVY WEATHER.
Kakaze:	I'm audi.
OWC Mars:	It *was* Stirling that wrote that, wasn't it?  Or was it Sterling.
Kakaze:	Night all!
Kakaze:	Slan slan!
Darkomik77:	Bruce Sterling
Araiused:	See ya, Kak
Darkomik77:	slan kak
OWC Mars:	Night Kak.
Gandalara:	Not SM Stirling, Mars
OWC Mars:	Thanks Ara.
SlipperyJim7017:	gn
OWC Mars:	Someone else I never knew about before coming to the O*W*C.
DerHexer:	Didn't Sterling write The Difference Engine?
OWC Mars:	And I still can't get it straight. lol
Darkomik77:	yep der
Darkomik77:	along with William Gibson
DerHexer:	That was a good book.  A little unrealistic how they managed to build an interactive system
OWC Mars:	The Difference Engine or HEAVY WEATHER?
Darkomik77:	that's the beauty of fiction, who cares how realistic?
DerHexer:	Difference Engine.  I haven't read Heavy Weather
DerHexer:	Well, Dark, it should be somewhat realistic, or at least reasonable, or at least plausible
Darkomik77:	just so long as it's believable
DerHexer:	I have trouble suspending my disbelief if it is not reasonable.  Maybe that's why I don't like fantasy
Darkomik77:	I have no trouble suspending my disbelief
DerHexer:	Good for you
Darkomik77:	except maybe when it comes to UFOs
Darkomik77:	or with Whitley Streiber
OWC Mars:	Well there you go.  I think all of us have that line our disbelief just won't cross.
Araiused:	Streiber is stretching it, isn't he?
OWC Mars:	It's just a different line for each of us.
Gandalara:	Tomorrow is another early day. Thanks Mars! Night all!
Araiused:	Nite,Gand!
Darkomik77:	always ara
DerHexer:	Nite Gand
BLR WIZ:	Bye Gand
OWC Mars:	Gand...thanks again!
OWC Mars:	See you on the flip side.
Darkomik77:	he still insists he's been poked around by guys with big eyes
DerHexer:	I'm sure he believes it
OWC Mars:	LOLOL.  Well perhaps he's cuter than the rest of us.
Darkomik77:	well, I can still kick that grey in the between his legs
Athanor IX:	I wish I'd been probed by some marketable aliens.
OWC Mars:	It's really funny...the smallest little things will break me out of my Suspension.
Araiused:	Really, Ath, what for?
OWC Mars:	A badly turned metaphor, for instance.
BLR WIZ:	they always call at meal times, Ath.
Athanor IX:	$o I could $ell my $tory and never work again.
Araiused:	LOL, BLR
Darkomik77:	the greys touch me they get a nightmare
OWC Mars:	Does anyone else have the trouble with an author's style, rather than the subject matter?
Araiused:	LOL, Ath
Darkomik77:	no prob with his style of writing
Athanor IX:	I have more trouble with authors who lack distinct style .
Darkomik77:	they're easy to follow
BLR WIZ:	Mars, any more I have trouble with the print size.
OWC Mars:	I mean, have you ever been reading a
OWC Mars:	book and run into a clumsy sentence
OWC Mars:	that stopped you cold?
DerHexer:	I have trouble w/Asimov's, Clarke's and RAH's later styles.  I also have a little trouble w/Jack McDevitt
Araiused:	Like what,Mars?
OWC Mars:	Interesting.  What's it about McDevitt that blows you away Der.
BLR WIZ:	I have found some basic spelling errors that made it to print.
Athanor IX:	My tastes are such that I usually don't pick up books by authors likely to produce such sentences.
OWC Mars:	Ara...Wilson and Childs who wrote Relic...
Darkomik77:	I've run into that kind of prose that's awkward but forgivable
DerHexer:	I think McDevitt has trouble ending his books.  The endings are not satisfactory
Darkomik77:	he's the guy who wrote Resume with Monsters
OWC Mars:	they have a penchant for phrases like
OWC Mars:	"the silent underground waterfall
OWC Mars:	splashed musically against the rocks."
Araiused:	No distinct style - like Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman
OnlineHost:	Patterner has entered the room.
Darkomik77:	I've read that one too mars
DerHexer:	Hi Patt
Darkomik77:	yo patt
Araiused:	Hi, Patt
Patterner:	Hi folks!
OWC Mars:	Hi Patt!  Welcome to the O*W*C
Darkomik77:	I also have Reliquary
BLR WIZ:	Hi Patt
Patterner:	Hi Der!  Hi Ath!  Hi Dark!  Hi Ara!  Hi BLR!  Hi
DerHexer:	I don't get stopped by a clumsy sentence, unless there are too many of them
Patterner:	Jim!  Hi Mars!
OWC Mars:	Dark... I'm assuming you didn't have a similar difficulty.
Darkomik77:	nope
SlipperyJim7017:	hi Patt
OWC Mars:	Der...it's not that it stops me from
OWC Mars:	reading... it's just jarring so it throws
OWC Mars:	me out of the story and I'm left staring
OWC Mars:	at the sentence.
OWC Mars:	Patt...we're talking about what breaks "suspension of disbelief" for us.
DerHexer:	Well, that rarely happens to me.  I sort of shrug it off
OWC Mars:	Where do you draw the line, Patt?
Patterner:	Really bad science, Mars.
Darkomik77:	sometimes, when I read & then put the book down when it drags on and on and one
Darkomik77:	like get on with it already
OWC Mars:	So...you're not a big King fan then Dark?
DerHexer:	What can bother me is the author refering to something that he/she hadn't introduced before
Darkomik77:	I have no prob with King
Araiused:	Have you read Talisman, Dark?
Darkomik77:	but others? oh yeh
Darkomik77:	not yet
Araiused:	I kind of think it went on and on.
OnlineHost:	Techyo has entered the room.
Araiused:	Hey, Tech.
Darkomik77:	I've read the Stand
OWC Mars:	Hi Techyo!  Good to see you!
Darkomik77:	yo tech
BLR WIZ:	Hi Tech
Patterner:	Hi Tech!
Techyo:	Hi ALL!
DerHexer:	I've always enjoyed King's The Dead Zone.  Great moral tale
OWC Mars:	And you didn't think the Stand went on and on and on?
DerHexer:	Hi tech
Darkomik77:	that's the same thing with the movie A.I.
Araiused:	I know I skipped several chapters to find out what the heck is happening.
Darkomik77:	it just goes on on on
OWC Mars:	I have to agree with you on A.I. Dark.
OWC Mars:	They should have ended  it, IMHO, about 3/4 of the way through.
Darkomik77:	spielberg should have stopped with the boy & the blue fairy
DerHexer:	Was/Is A.I. worth going to the movies for, or should I wait for the video??
OWC Mars:	A tragic ending is asking a little much of Speilberg, though, isn't it Dark?
Techyo:	<=== wonders as well
Darkomik77:	no reason for the aliens to be there
OWC Mars:	Video...I don't think it's *at* the first runs any longer.
Techyo:	Speilburg = 90 of the happiness shows while 10 percent is hidden.
DerHexer:	5 minutes and the Victoria's Secret fashion show will be on ABC
OWC Mars:	And frankly, I'd wait on the video until
OWC Mars:	it's a 5 day rental at reduced
OWC Mars:	prices...but that's just my opinion.
Araiused:	You watch that, Der?
Darkomik77:	Aldiss thinks this movie is too intelligent for us audience?
Techyo:	Der, that should be a halloween thing.
Techyo:	Walcing skellitons.
DerHexer:	Public service annoucement, Ara
Darkomik77:	hah
OWC Mars:	LOLOL, Tech.
OWC Mars:	Well put sir.
Darkomik77:	I'd argue with him on that
Araiused:	With Tech or with Aldiss?
Techyo:	It ain't right and furthermore it ain't attractive.
Darkomik77:	Aldiss
DerHexer:	Sounds like some  British arrogance
Techyo:	Plus they prance like horses?
Araiused:	I dont think his Super Toys Last all Summer Long has aliens.
Techyo:	I watched it till it made me ill.
Athanor IX:	What movie?
Araiused:	The movie is based on that story.
OWC Mars:	Okay... Aldiss thinks that A.I. is too
OWC Mars:	intelligent for the audience?  Am I
OWC Mars:	reading that right?
Araiused:	AI is based on Aldiss's Super Toys
Darkomik77:	you read it right mars
Darkomik77:	I got that from SCIFI news
OWC Mars:	I don't think it's too intelligent for THIS audience.  Quite the opposite.
Techyo:	Right and didn't he work on the screenplay too?
Darkomik77:	I don't think so tech
Araiused:	Dunno, Tech.
OWC Mars:	If anything it seemed to be a
OWC Mars:	compilation of themes from asimov
OWC Mars:	and other golden age authors...
Darkomik77:	Speilberg did though
OWC Mars:	with a Kubrick "look"...
OWC Mars:	and a Speilberg happy ending.
Techyo:	Well Kubby started it.
Darkomik77:	happy ending? ugh
Darkomik77:	totally illogical
OWC Mars:	And I believe Kubrick would have allowed it to be a tragedy.
OWC Mars:	But that's just my opinion.
Darkomik77:	maybe mars
Athanor IX:	A happy ending for most sci-fi movies is "Financing falls through before start of production."
Techyo:	ROFL a hugh cenimatic tragedy.
Darkomik77:	but like Spielberg, he keeps going on & on & on
Techyo:	Mars, a lot of people agree.
Techyo:	Even the critics.
Techyo:	Which would scare me if I were you.
Techyo:	<G>
OWC Mars:	Poor Kubrick.  Shame he died before he had both those movies in the can, so to speak...
OWC Mars:	and speaking of being in the can...it's time to wrap this chat up for the evening.
DerHexer:	Shame his last movie was that Eyes Wide Shut thing
Araiused:	Thanks, Mars!
OWC Mars:	Folks...thanks so much for joining us for the Wiater Gwinn chat tonight.
BLR WIZ:	Bye Mars and other red-shfters.
Techyo:	Night ALL I going to bed.
Darkomik77:	but from what I read, Kubrick seems to be having trouble with Aldiss's story
DerHexer:	Nite Mars,  Good chat.
OWC Mars:	Be sure to drop by tomorrow to talk about terra-forming with Astra!
Darkomik77:	that's why he took forever
OWC Mars:	See you next week if not before!
Darkomik77:	well gonna take that hyperjump
Araiused:	See ya, Mars!
Darkomik77:	ciao
Araiused:	Goodnight, People!
OWC Mars:	:::grabs hat and broom and leaps to window sill::::
OWC Mars:	:::flies off into the night::::
Log Entry:	Other Worlds SF Chat [Members - 6] 11/15/01 11:02 PM