The opinions expressed in this chat are not necessarily those of The Other*Worlds*Cafe or America Online. OnlineHost: OnlineHost: *** You are in "Other Worlds SF Chat". *** OnlineHost: RELM Muse: Hi Keay! JDavid2355: To anyone: Anyone here? It's spooky in here alone... RELM Muse: I see you made it on time. We probably won't have many people until 10pm ET. :) JDavid2355: Oh hi! I just sent that! JDavid2355: Can you see my messages clearly? OnlineHost: Babyduckmc has entered the room. RELM Muse: Ha! You think it's spooky now? Wait until our Halloween chat on Sunday! RELM Muse: Hi Babyduck! RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! Our RELM Muse: guest tonight is Keay Davidson, the author RELM Muse: of CARL SAGAN: A LIFE. RELM Muse: Yep, Keay, you're coming through clearly. Babyduckmc: Hi... I need to ask a question about astronomical determination of mass. JDavid2355: Hi folks, great to be here on the bring of Y2K... Too bad that JDavid2355: Carl couldn't join us, but he's getting high Upstairs, y'know? RELM Muse: LOL RELM Muse: Keay, it's just the three of us because we're early. Are you interested in answering.. JDavid2355: LOL? Sorry, I'm new to this tribe -- what's that? RELM Muse: Babyduck's question, or shall I send Baby to Ask HAL? RELM Muse: Laughing Out Loud. One of our primary acronyms. :) JDavid2355: Oh sorry ... Babyduck? Pls explain OnlineHost: RickDoudM has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Rick! RELM Muse: Welcome! The O*W*C's guest tonight is RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of RELM Muse: CARL SAGAN: A LIFE! Babyduckmc: I need to figure out Spica's mass... and I don't know how to do it with the info I have. JDavid2355: Babyduckmc: What info do you have? Babyduckmc: I have it's distance from each, it's luminosity, temperature, spectral type. Babyduckmc: distance from earth... sorry. JDavid2355: Babyduckmc: I'm not an astronomer but I'm sure that ... JDavid2355: ... Mr. Newton has the answer in Principia. RELM Muse: LOL Babyduck, we've harnessed an AI to answer this kind of question. Babyduckmc: alright. RELM Muse: Go to keyword: SCIFI and click on Ask Hal (in the listbox) and put your ... RELM Muse: question in there. Come back tomorrow and click on the Answers button. :) Babyduckmc: thanks! OnlineHost: Babyduckmc has left the room. RELM Muse: You're welcome! JDavid2355: Wish I could help, but I majored in history, man... RELM Muse: LOL I know, I didn't know if you had the science background to go with.. RELM Muse: the reporting. :) RickDoudM: ancient history? JDavid2355: I'm a newspaper reporter -- one of the last professions... JDavid2355: where you can make a living without any real... JDavid2355: qualifications. RELM Muse: Sure, but a lot of the science reporters I know end up learning some science.. RELM Muse: anyway. RELM Muse: And some, like Allen Steele, become SF authors. :) JDavid2355: I've learned a lot over the years; in fact, science is now.... JDavid2355: so compartmentalized that I can surprise the astronomers... JDavid2355: by telling them what the biologists and geologists are up ... JDavid2355: to, and vice versa. RELM Muse: Yeah, I can imagine. It's unusual to have true generalists anymore. JDavid2355: It's a scary thing, in fact, that science is so compartmentalized... JDavid2355: ... for it means scientists are less and less likely to see... JDavid2355: the forests for the trees... and hence to spot in advance... JDavid2355: the abuses of science. Carl Sagan wasn't like that; he was... JDavid2355: interested in everything and kept up with everything. One of ... JDavid2355: the last of the great Renaissance men. I miss him. RELM Muse: I think we all hoped he'd survive longer. RELM Muse: When OMNI was still on AOL, I managed their science department,.. JDavid2355: Dead at 62! I had 2 heroes when I was a kid: Carl Sagan... RELM Muse: along with some other jobs, and we had a weekly "This Week in Science" chat.. JDavid2355: and (believe it or not) Woody Allen. I remember thinking,... RELM Muse: where we tried to keep people up with the newest info. JDavid2355: "When they die, then I'll know the shadows are getting... JDavid2355: long for me." And now Carl's gone, and Woody is what 60? RELM Muse: Woody Allen? Hmmm... RELM Muse: I didn't have specific people as heros, but I wanted to be an astronaut. OnlineHost: WSkyelit has entered the room. RELM Muse: Found out you have to *see* for that. :) JDavid2355: Yeah -- I was born in the South, raised by Methodists in... RELM Muse: Hi Skye! RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE, is our guest tonight! JDavid2355: Canada, and my heroes are two New York-born Jewish... JDavid2355: intellectuals... RELM Muse: LOL Well, you're a man of many parts. RELM Muse: Rick, did you have a question for Keay about Carl Sagan? JDavid2355: Or just a Postmodernist wreck. WSkyelit: Hi Muse! RickDoudM: hi not just yet JDavid2355: Skye: Hi! You doll you! A voice from a distant galaxy! RELM Muse: Oh, I dunno, the author of "Wrinkles in Time" can't be too much of a wreck. RELM Muse: The title was a play on L'Engle? WSkyelit: Out from under a distant star! JDavid2355: The co-author of "Wrinkles in Time" barely survived that... JDavid2355: little episode in my career. Sometimes I think my life is one... RELM Muse: LOL Skye! JDavid2355: near-wreck after another. RELM Muse: As long as it's not a complete wreck, you should be okay. JDavid2355: Yes, the title was a play on L'Engle -- credit goes to my then- JDavid2355: agent's wife/girlfriend ...who thought it up. Best thing about... JDavid2355: the book. WSkyelit: Keay, when did you begin to read science fiction? Tell all. RELM Muse: It's certainly a resonating phrase. RickDoudM: q? did mr.s . study the ancient skies? JDavid2355: Skye: When I was a kid I read War of the Worlds by HG... OnlineHost: QonoS has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Qono! RELM Muse: Welcome! You've found the RELM Muse: Other*Worlds*Cafe and our guest tonight is RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL JDavid2355: Wells and The Martian Chronicles by RB, and God, as long... RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE. JDavid2355: as I live I'll never forget where I was and what I was feeling as their... JDavid2355: prose washed over me... their images of faraway places and... JDavid2355: cool, unsympathetic intelligences scrutinizing us as we might... JDavid2355: study microbes through a microscope (Wells)... JDavid2355: And of course, I grew up watching Twilight Zone, the original JDavid2355: (pre-Sielberg) version, which was broadcast (for the benefit... WSkyelit: Me, too. The original1 JDavid2355: of you youngsters) in a TV format once known as "black and... QonoS: gasp don't say it JDavid2355: white," and man it was stunning -- I sometimes cried I was so... RELM Muse: LOL We didn't have a TV when Twilight Zone was on, but I've seen all of them... JDavid2355: scared by it, but my Mom let me stay up to watch it, figuring... RELM Muse: in reruns on the SciFi Channel. JDavid2355: it might somehow be good for me, and it warped me beyond... JDavid2355: recognition, and now I'm writing for a living about the real... JDavid2355: side of all that science fiction, much of which has since come true, or sort... JDavid2355: of true, and is even weirder than Rod Serling ever dreamed. RELM Muse: Yep, good SF really tickles the mind. RELM Muse: Keay, Rick asked: did mr.s . study the ancient skies? JDavid2355: RELM: Ancient skies -- how do u mean? WSkyelit: Funny! I thought I was so weird because I would stay up so late glued to the TV set thinking WSkyelit: only Rod Serling and me -- really gets it. RickDoudM: ie planetary conjunctions. RELM Muse: Rick, do you mean the skies as they were years ago? OnlineHost: T83BIRD has entered the room. JDavid2355: Skye: Funny how kids relate intimately to mass media... T83BIRD: Hi, all RickDoudM: ie the star of bethleham was a pl. conj. JDavid2355: and think it's their personal friend. I saw "Journey to Center... OnlineHost: Dellatucker has entered the room. OnlineHost: Margaretewelsh has entered the room. JDavid2355: of Earth," as a kid, and when I got home turned to the Pat Boone... Margaretewelsh: evening, all T83BIRD: Hi Della, Marg JDavid2355: show and was so surprised and disappointed that he didn't... JDavid2355: say "Greetings to little Keay Davidson," who was in my... RELM Muse: Hi T8! Hi Marg! Hi Della! JDavid2355: movie audience tonight." I was a messed up kid. RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, author of CARL SAGAN: RELM Muse: A LIFE, is our guest in the O*W*C tonight! Dellatucker: high WSkyelit: Keay, thank gawd, you're still messed up! RickDoudM: so please introduce me to c. sagan JDavid2355: Rick: Yeah, there's a new book out claiming the Star of B. Margaretewelsh: oh, well, pat boone is an alien, anyway JDavid2355: was a supernova or something like that. RELM Muse: LOL Marg OnlineHost: Dellatucker has left the room. T83BIRD: nite della JDavid2355: Skye: Yes, but now I can make money being messed up. WSkyelit: Me, too! RickDoudM: no a major conjunctiion. see avi ben mortechai JDavid2355: Tip to all: See Fight Club, best film of the year. I believe... RickDoudM: planets went through several constellations JDavid2355: Carl would have loved it. Very visionary & well-written. OnlineHost: QonoS has left the room. WSkyelit: What's it about? T83BIRD: bye QonoS RELM Muse: Actually, there's a great story by Arthur C. Clarke called "The Star" that.. JDavid2355: Skye: Angry men disappointed with their lives seek release... RELM Muse: has a priest going with a space expedition and when they get to their.. Margaretewelsh: was it Blish who did a story on that - the civilization that died JDavid2355: by turning each other into punching bags. Much more intelligent than ... JDavid2355: it sounds. Margaretewelsh: to be the Star of Bethlehem RELM Muse: destination, they find that the Star of Bethlehem killed that civilization. JDavid2355: Margaret: I think that was Arthur Clarke's story. Best ... RELM Muse: The priest has a problem with his faith. Margaretewelsh: clarke??> RELM Muse: Yep, Marg, Clarke. JDavid2355: atheist science-fiction piece ever written -- and chilling... Margaretewelsh: oh, well JDavid2355: to the bone. Margaretewelsh: i liked it Margaretewelsh: bones n all JDavid2355: It was fabulous. He's a genius. I still can't figure out... JDavid2355: why he takes cold fusion so seriously, but he's a fabulous... JDavid2355: man and an enormous inspiration to me. And to Carl. WSkyelit: Sounds like halloween material. Arthur Clarke, eh? RELM Muse: Keay, we know Sagan was one of your heroes, what made you decide.. RELM Muse: to do the bio? JDavid2355: Skye: No kidding. Margaretewelsh: well jd, he took comsats seriously too.. JDavid2355: I was asked by John Wiley and Sons to write the bio... RELM Muse: Frequently collected, Skye. :) Margaretewelsh: maybe jsut not yet JDavid2355: because he had just died, leaving a vast and ambiguous ... JDavid2355: legacy in topics as diverse as science and nuclear issues and... JDavid2355: religion and UFOs and pseudoscience and you name it. And... JDavid2355: he was a bitterly controversial personality with a colorful... JDavid2355: private life. The most fascinating personality I've ever... JDavid2355: studied. JDavid2355: Margaret: Touche (re: comsats)! RELM Muse: Do you think he really believed we'd been visited by aliens? JDavid2355: Writing the book was 2 years of incredible toil -- I'm... JDavid2355: exhausted. Naturally, being a writer, I can't wait to write... JDavid2355: the next book. We writers never learn from experience. JDavid2355: And the book also was psychotherapy for me -- like putting... JDavid2355: myself on the couch for 2 years. Many of the things that... JDavid2355: fascinated Carl also fascinated me -- once; and as I get... JDavid2355: older my views begin to change, and so by writing about... JDavid2355: Carl I was forced to reassess my own convictions about ... JDavid2355: science and its place in the world, and to confront its limits... JDavid2355: more sternly than I ever have. RickDoudM: have you studied steven hawking..quantum physics JDavid2355: Rick: Just the popular stuff. Brief History was incomprehensible. OnlineHost: WSkyelit has left the room. RickDoudM: I believe theres a video OnlineHost: WSkyelit has entered the room. JDavid2355: RELM: You asked if Carl believed aliens had visited. Early... JDavid2355: in his career he suggested "THey" might have dropped by... JDavid2355: 10s of 1000s of years ago, and perhaps have left evidence of... JDavid2355: their passage in ancient myths or whatever... This claim got him ... OnlineHost: TAMirabile has entered the room. JDavid2355: in VERY hot water with people who admired him. Margaretewelsh: i always wondered why aliens would bother - we're far out in the'burbs... T83BIRD: Hi TAM Margaretewelsh: boring neoghborhood Margaretewelsh: hi tam JDavid2355: Margaret: Indeed, and we're such a sordid race. They could... RELM Muse: Hi TAM! RELM Muse: Welcome to O*W*C! We're discussing RELM Muse: CARL SAGAN: A LIFE with the author, RELM Muse: Keay Davidson! JDavid2355: tune in to Ken Starr for 5 minutes, get sick and switch off... JDavid2355: the radiotelescope for good. RELM Muse: LOL Margaretewelsh: watergate probalbly got them already T83BIRD: CONTACT notwithstanding, did Carl think we could realistically go to meet *them*? Margaretewelsh: or mccarthy... JDavid2355: Rick: The movie fersion of Brief H was great fun -- eerie,... WSkyelit: Hey, aliens may have even visited Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show! JDavid2355: in a Wagnerian way. I have no idea what I mean by that. TAMirabile: Hi, T!! Marga!! Muse!! JD!! Rick!! WS!! JDavid2355: T83: yes, carl believed we'd eventually travel to the stars... TAMirabile: Good evening, JDavid RickDoudM: clash of minds is also a great series JDavid2355: It's funny, Timothy Leary asked him the same question (Carl... JDavid2355: visited TL in prison), and Carl said he doubted it; yet soon... JDavid2355: after Carl proposed in his book "Cosmic Connection" that... JDavid2355: our descendants would head to the stars in starships. He even... JDavid2355: indirectly inpsired NASA chief Dan Goldin to recently ... OnlineHost: BLR WIZ has entered the room. RickDoudM: jno not the title thats sub title. T was a glorious accident JDavid2355: investigate the feasibility of star travel, albeit quietly. T83BIRD: Hi BLR Margaretewelsh: he doesn't have to be right - just get people thinking Margaretewelsh: hi blr RELM Muse: Hi BLR! RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! Our RELM Muse: guest tonight is Keay Davidson, the author RELM Muse: of CARL SAGAN: A LIFE. TAMirabile: Hi BLR!! BLR WIZ: Hi JD, Muse, WS, Rick TAM, T8, Marg RickDoudM: please tell me about sagan RELM Muse: Keay, how did he think we'd go? FTL? Generation ships? JDavid2355: Rick and RELM: Carl, in "Pale Blue Dot," speculated... BLR WIZ: Cosmos got a lot of humans thinking.\ JDavid2355: about using asteroids hollowed out so that folks could live... OnlineHost: Araiused has entered the room. T83BIRD: Heyla Ara JDavid2355: inside, then launched starward with ion engines ... RELM Muse: Hi Ara! RELM Muse: Welcome! The O*W*C's guest tonight is RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of RELM Muse: CARL SAGAN: A LIFE! BLR WIZ: Hi Ara\ Margaretewelsh: hi ara JDavid2355: Of course, ion engines don't get much kick, compared to... JDavid2355: what one really needs, so they'd be generation ships. I'd... Araiused: Hi all! JDavid2355: hate to be part of the Middle Generation that lives halfway... RickDoudM: don't need much kick in space RELM Muse: But they'd still need to get to the asteroids, even if the asteroid was grabbed in NEO. JDavid2355: to Alpha Centauri, too far from Earth to experience it and... T83BIRD: Agreed, JD. JDavid2355: too far from a star to know what it would be like. Margaretewelsh: that would require CAREFUL indoctrination RELM Muse: In SF, a common plot is for the folks born on board to decide they don't.. Margaretewelsh: of that generation TAMirabile: JD, they would just have to build a society rich enough to support them JDavid2355: And now there's word that kids raised in space might have... RELM Muse: want to go wherever the ship is heading, and there's a power struggle.. JDavid2355: neurological problems. RELM Muse: and then more plot. :) Araiused: Guest not here yet? Margaretewelsh: bone problems at less than one gee JDavid2355: I see some religious group with $ doing it -- e.g. Mormons. RELM Muse: Ara, JD is Keay Davidson. :) Araiused: Ooops Araiused: Hi JD JDavid2355: J is for "John," my first name. Thank you computer at... JDavid2355: AOL for that one. RickDoudM: did he think the big u is in a state of confusiion? RELM Muse: Keay, the Scientologists would have to be afraid to go -- they'd find out their... RELM Muse: "history" isn't true. BLR WIZ: Without recycling, bones would tend to clog up the system JDavid2355: Scientology: pure bunk. Even William S. Burroughs got sick... RickDoudM: it's ever changing Margaretewelsh: cremate JDavid2355: of it after a while. TAMirabile: BLR, everything would have to be recycled RELM Muse: BLR, bones can be cremated and added to the garden. Araiused: ::: Bowing to honoured guest ::: Margaretewelsh: bujold - feed to giant salamanders RELM Muse: LOL Marg Margaretewelsh: not you ara OnlineHost: BldWlf1280 has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Bld! RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE, is our guest tonight! T83BIRD: Hi Bld TAMirabile: Hi, Blood BLR WIZ: Yes, without very good recycling, you would end up knee deep in belly button lint and BldWlf1280: hello all BLR WIZ: ear wax. RELM Muse: BLR, make clothes out of the first, candles from the second. ;) BLR WIZ: LOLOL Margaretewelsh: space anything you don't need RELM Muse: Keay, in your book, you tell us about Carl's use of marijuana -- how.. TAMirabile: Muse, a whole new meaning to ear candling? Margaretewelsh: lots of storage out there RELM Muse: did it help him with his work? JDavid2355: RELM: Yes, Carl wrote in an anonymous essay in '71 that... RELM Muse: Yeah, but Marg, then you leave a trail. ;) JDavid2355: pot stimulatedhim intellectually and artistically and emotionally... OnlineHost: BldWlf1280 has left the room. RELM Muse: LOL TAM! Margaretewelsh: does neatness count?? JDavid2355: The essay -- now that we know who really wrote it -- is a joy... RickDoudM: even carbon deteriorates BLR WIZ: I aways felt that to go into space you would have to learn recycling and that in turn JDavid2355: to read, one of the most amusing and self-revealing things CS... OnlineHost: Roxsew has entered the room. BLR WIZ: would help to save the earth. T83BIRD: Hi Rox JDavid2355: ever wrote. If any aging potheads out there have a dusty... RELM Muse: Hi Rox! RELM Muse: Welcome! You've found the RELM Muse: Other*Worlds*Cafe and our guest tonight is RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE. JDavid2355: copy of "Marihuana Reconsidered" (with "h") on home, ... Roxsew: Howdy JDavid2355: check it out: It's the essay by a "Mr. X." X is for Carl. TAMirabile: Marga, somebody coming through later with a ram TAMirabile: scoop going pretty fast would get pretty mad if TAMirabile: they hit one of those and survived, BLR WIZ: The dust is a bit hard to roll. Margaretewelsh: yeah, but if they don't, feh Margaretewelsh: like trucks blowing tires on the interstate Araiused: How was Carl Sagan as a person, I mean not as a scientist? JDavid2355: Araiused: He was a charismatic man, a strange mix of ... JDavid2355: Mr. Spock and Steven Spielberg. Funny, yet cool. RickDoudM: how does he compoare toclark? Araiused: LOL, what a mix. JDavid2355: Absolutely brilliant; hard-working; extremely knowledgeable... BLR WIZ: I had a friend who worked at an observertary near Wheeling W. Va. and he got to talk to JDavid2355: and a marvelous writer. Roxsew: definately a great writer BLR WIZ: Carl. His attittude was like, yes.. god, what can I do for you. JDavid2355: I'd say Clarke is a far superior science fiction writer. Carl... JDavid2355: only wrote one novel, CONTACT< which had all kinds of... T83BIRD: Keay, what if anything did he hope readers would get out of CONTACT? Araiused: I've read an article that the scientific community somehow Araiused: snubbed him because his show COSMOS was more geared JDavid2355: problems. In it I argue that Ellie is primarily Carl (with a few other... Araiused: toward the lay public. RickDoudM: azmove was also scientist JDavid2355: people tossed in), and that the book is Carl's effort to wrestle,... JDavid2355: in fictional form, with grand issues of science and religion... RELM Muse: Yes, Rick, and I think Asimov's science books are probably his best legacy. BLR WIZ: He allso wrote the Blue Dot. Margaretewelsh: ara - that happens a LOT - if real people can understand it- must be bad JDavid2355: Carl also eventually soured on SF -- by the 1970s he was ... JDavid2355: saying pretty nasty things about the Edgar Rice Burroughs ... Roxsew: Which science magazines has Carl written for? JDavid2355: and other stuff he grew up on. Still, he never denied the... JDavid2355: great impact SF had on him, especially in making him ... JDavid2355: aware of the threat of nuclear weapons. He first learned about nukes ... JDavid2355: from Astounding SF magazine in '47. RickDoudM: soome great sci- fi written in the 40"s Roxsew: wow TAMirabile: What story? BLR WIZ: As I understand it, many of his piers were jeleous of his science and that he could put it JDavid2355: TAM: It was "Pete Can Fix It," by Raymond F. Jones, who ... BLR WIZ: in a format that the average person could understand. OnlineHost: Paul knich has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Paul! RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, author of CARL SAGAN: RELM Muse: A LIFE, is our guest in the O*W*C tonight! T83BIRD: HI Paul JDavid2355: is better known as author of "THis Island Earth" -- which ... Paul knich: hi JDavid2355: of course is a camp/Mystery Science classic film... Paul knich: hi BLR WIZ: Metaluna. Roxsew: BLR: that was one of his best qualities. JDavid2355: BLR: Right. TAMirabile: JD, I'll look for it. Thanks BLR WIZ: I agree totally, Rox Araiused: Hi Paul. RELM Muse: Keay, T8 asked how Carl expected people to see CONTACT. Margaretewelsh: hi paul RickDoudM: michael chriton is doing much the same with todays biiologicals JDavid2355: BLR: Some people were jealous of him, but some resented ... JDavid2355: his sloppier work. He was a great guy and a brilliant scientist,... JDavid2355: but he wasn't always as careful as he should have been. He... RELM Muse: Rick, I think Crichton is not as skilled at rendering science interesting. OnlineHost: Paul knich has left the room. JDavid2355: tried to do too much. Typical Type A male. Roxsew: hehe OnlineHost: VegetaDBZ357 has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Vegeta! Araiused: Hi Vegeta RELM Muse: Welcome to O*W*C! We're discussing RELM Muse: CARL SAGAN: A LIFE with the author, RELM Muse: Keay Davidson! T83BIRD: Hi Vegeta BLR WIZ: Yes JD, the academic "scene" is as political as any other. VegetaDBZ357: Hi RELM. Margaretewelsh: hi veg RickDoudM: no scary VegetaDBZ357: Hi evryone. JDavid2355: Crichton just gets worse and worse. Why does he keep writing... Roxsew: lol Margaretewelsh: he gets paid JDavid2355: movie scripts? Doesn't he have enough $ already? TAMirabile: Hi, Rox!! Paul!! Veg!! RELM Muse: LOL Keay! VegetaDBZ357: This question is going to sound childish. Roxsew: hey TAM BLR WIZ: Because he keeps getting paid for it, JD. JDavid2355: Veg: fire away TAMirabile: LOL because people will keep paying him VegetaDBZ357: Who likes Beast Wars? Margaretewelsh: huh Margaretewelsh: ?? RickDoudM: eh? JDavid2355: wha? Roxsew: do what? VegetaDBZ357: It is a Transformers show. TAMirabile: Margaretewelsh: nope RELM Muse: Vegeta, we're talking about Carl Sagan tonight. :) VegetaDBZ357: Oh. VegetaDBZ357: Wrong room. OnlineHost: VegetaDBZ357 has left the room. Margaretewelsh: nite Roxsew: hehe,oops RELM Muse: Keay, what did you think Sagan wanted people to think about CONTACT? JDavid2355: He said: "At worst, I've written a lousy novel." He had ... Margaretewelsh: be nice, rox JDavid2355: a sense of humor about it. BLR WIZ: For mind expannsion.... Roxsew: here here! JDavid2355: His wife, Annie Druyan, helped him write it, plus some ... WSkyelit: Was the TV show better than the book? (Contact) JDavid2355: other books. She was a great thing in his life -- a gorgeous and... JDavid2355: brilliant woman who really made him grow up emotionally,... OnlineHost: Matou33230 has entered the room. T83BIRD: Hi Matou JDavid2355: intellectually and politically. I'm looking for someone who can do... JDavid2355: the same thing for me. JDavid2355: Skye: JDavid2355: TV show? JDavid2355: Oh you mean Cosmos. Cosmos has good parts and boring ... RickDoudM: prey! OnlineHost: Matou33230 has left the room. BLR WIZ: Yes JD and wasn't she also a great condolence for him towards the end. JDavid2355: parts. It thrilled a generation, though -- I know because I've met... Roxsew: I think Skye means the movie WSkyelit: Yes, Cosmos -- sorry! Roxsew: ohok JDavid2355: numerous scientists who recall watching it as kids; it ... OnlineHost: Adda has entered the room. JDavid2355: encouraged them to go into the laboratories and observatories. WSkyelit: and I was thinking of the movie. :-) RELM Muse: Hi Adda! RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! Our RELM Muse: guest tonight is Keay Davidson, the author RELM Muse: of CARL SAGAN: A LIFE. Adda: Hello :) BLR WIZ: Hi Adda T83BIRD: Hey Adda Margaretewelsh: hi adda TAMirabile: Hi, Adda! Roxsew: (book is better than the movie) JDavid2355: BLR: If I ever have to die, I want Annie there by my bed. The... RELM Muse: I thought so, Rox. But that's true of most movies made from books. JDavid2355: sweetest woman I ever met, a pillar of strength. Roxsew: yeah, I agree RELM BLR WIZ: You could do a lot worse, JD.. ;) OnlineHost: Yankeedoodle5 has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Yankee! JDavid2355: Two critics wrote that the book's ending made them sob. T83BIRD: Hi Yankee RELM Muse: Welcome! The O*W*C's guest tonight is RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of RELM Muse: CARL SAGAN: A LIFE! Roxsew: JD: what is Druyan doing now? TAMirabile: Hi Yankee!! JDavid2355: She's working on screenplays, an Imax show, and managing ... JDavid2355: the estate, which is substantial. Lives in a lovely home in... JDavid2355: the woods near Ithaca, NY... BLR WIZ: I have several interviews with Carls on tape. I especiiiallly treasure watching him Adda: I'm assuming that the Annie you're referring to was Sagan's wife? Roxsew: yeah JDavid2355: Adda: Righto -- a great woman BLR WIZ: when the early Voyager Probe pictures came back. RELM Muse: His third wife -- why was that his "best" marriage? Roxsew: awesome BLR! Adda: 3rd? :) Adda: Gracious! JDavid2355: RELM: He had great taste in women -- he didn't marry... Roxsew: hehe JDavid2355: bimbos or people who spent 7 days a week in the gym. He... JDavid2355: wanted smart women, or women who at least stimulated... Margaretewelsh: practice makes perfect :) RELM Muse: Yes, well, we hope Keay won't have to go through two before he finds his "Annie." JDavid2355: him intellectually. Each wife had dramatic impact on his... OnlineHost: Yankeedoodle5 has left the room. JDavid2355: mind. His first wife became a famous microbiologist and ... Adda: Expensive hobby, Muse ;) Araiused: :: waving to newcomers :: BLR WIZ: Carl's enthusum about the raw date comming in made me feel like I was not alone. JDavid2355: "Gaia" theorist; wife No. 2 was an artist who helped Carl loosen... JDavid2355: up emotionally and aesthetically, and drew the plaque (the one... Araiused: <---- distracted by cell phone. JDavid2355: with the naked people) that he launched to the stars, Earth's... Roxsew: wow! Roxsew: that's so cool! Margaretewelsh: cool JDavid2355: first message to aliens; and wife No. 3 was Annie, about whom... JDavid2355: I cannot say enough good things. I don't know if she likes... JDavid2355: the book, but I sure hope she does. Roxsew: JD: Druyan has some books out that she alone has written, right? RELM Muse: Did you spend a lot of time interviewing her? RickDoudM: Keay, library has videos series" a glorius accident "you"ll enjoy BLR WIZ: Songs From Earth is a classic... JDavid2355: Rox: She co-authored 2 of Carl's books officially, and... JDavid2355: I suspect she contributed to others. She also co-authored... Roxsew: yeah, Comet and....something else. JDavid2355: a short novel in the late 1970s, published by a small press. Roxsew: ok BLR WIZ: The only thing remotely close that I can say is, that as a member of the JDavid2355: Carl's best book is Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, which... JDavid2355: is astonishingly well written, and that's saying a lot because... BLR WIZ: Planetary Society, my name was inscribed on a space probe. JDavid2355: CS was an excellent writer. I think it was best because Annie made him... JDavid2355: write it in a more mature, less adolescently bubbly manner ... Adda: Hmmm, never know where's that probe's been, Blr :) JDavid2355: than some of his earlier works. Also, by that time he was ... BLR WIZ: Some day I hope to get closer to the stars that an etching.... Araiused: On Mars, Adda :) JDavid2355: on the brink of death, and had lost both his parents, and... JDavid2355: was more somber in general, which accounts for much... Araiused: Pathfinder has a plague inscribed with all the names of JDavid2355: of the book's somber tone. A great work. Yet few people have read it. Araiused: Planetary Society members. Araiused: Plaque rather Araiused: arrgh Roxsew: I'll read it!! Margaretewelsh: dental BLR WIZ: I suport the Planetary Society as much as my finances enable me. WSkyelit: Did Carl fall apart when his mom died? Weren't they tres close? Roxsew: BLR: join the Planetary Society Group for SETI@Home ;) JDavid2355: Skye: Yeah he and Rachel, his mom, were very close; but... JDavid2355: close in a complicated way, y'know what I mean? The way... JDavid2355: a son can feel dependent on a mom, yet deeply resent... JDavid2355: the dependence. JDavid2355: I loved Rachel (she died two decades ago, so I speak... JDavid2355: metaphorically). A brave and tough woman who fought against... BLR WIZ: Yes Rox. I plan to do that.; My previous puter died and I am still adding links. JDavid2355: sexism and anti-Semitism to make her way in a hostile new... JDavid2355: world, America. Roxsew: BLR: I joined their group about a month ago. BLR WIZ: Wasn't the one telescope damaaged a bit ago by a storm? Roxsew: ? JDavid2355: And his dad was a sweet guy -- a garment factory manager. Roxsew: Arecibo? (SP?) Margaretewelsh: neat discussion, but i must go Adda: Night, Marg :) TAMirabile: Nite, Marga Margaretewelsh: have to be perky tmw T83BIRD: Nite Marg BLR WIZ: One of the other radio telescopes? BLR WIZ: Bye Marg Margaretewelsh: nite, all -- thanks OnlineHost: Margaretewelsh has left the room. WSkyelit: I'd like to know a bit more about those radioscopes. Roxsew: BLR: which? Adda: Perky? How horrible! :) Roxsew: hehe BLR WIZ: I don't remember wich one. TAMirabile: Are we sure that wasn't Gand? RELM Muse: LOL I'm pretty sure, TAM. Roxsew: Arecibo is the one that the SETI@HOME is from Adda: Who, Marg? BLR WIZ: I saw a blurb on tv saying it was a set back. TAMirabile: (yeah I know) WSkyelit: What do they hear on those things? Sanscript? Moonscript? RELM Muse: We have a number of members who are doing seti@home on their computers. T83BIRD: If there isn't a stamp in Carl's honor, there should be one. Adda: I don't think the world is ready for two Gands. RELM Muse: Well, he's dead, so he definitely qualifies. Roxsew: here here T*! JDavid2355: Now I hear that weather forecasters are enlisting... Roxsew: T8! BLR WIZ: LOL ARA JDavid2355: home computers via networks to crunch complex forecasts. Araiused: Adda, BLR ;) RELM Muse: Keay, in the DC area, where I live, the local NBC station has... JDavid2355: Isaac Asimov died almost a decade ago, and I think it's... RELM Muse: weather stations at schools all over (and linked to other schools).. TAMirabile: sounds like a legitimate use for the web JDavid2355: about time he's due a stamp. I think you have to be dead ... Araiused: <---- Seti@homer JDavid2355: for a decade first. So come 2006, let's organize a write-in... RELM Muse: and they report electronically via the web. I can find out what my climate is.. BLR WIZ: OOPPsas mulllti tasking. Watching old bad sf on AMC... RELM Muse: by dialing up the school down the road. Adda: I'd rather see Sagan on a stamp than Asimov. OnlineHost: DSudia has entered the room. JDavid2355: campaign: Put Carl on a stamp! Wearing what jacket, I wonder? Araiused: Hi DS! Adda: Hi, DS :) T83BIRD: Hi DS BLR WIZ: Hi DS DSudia: Hi RELM Muse: Hi DS! LTNS! RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE, is our guest tonight! TAMirabile: Hi, DS!! WSkyelit: Yeah, put Sagan on a stamp and mail it to Venus! RELM Muse: Keay, they usually work from photos, so it might depend what was available. JDavid2355: Skye: Yeah, with his ashes. They just dumped astrogeologist... JDavid2355: Gene Shoemaker's ashes on the Moon via the Lunar.. Roxsew: I have got to go everyone! Thank you so much for chatting Keay! BLR WIZ: DS is a fellow magacian and Trekie... RELM Muse: Night, Rox! Come again! Adda: Bye, Rox :) JDavid2355: Prospector. Say Skye, I think you might be on to something! Araiused: Nite, Rox! JDavid2355: Rox: Nice meeting you. RELM Muse: Well, *some* of Gene's ashes. :) Roxsew: bye all :) BTW: I am on my Mom's SN...mine is Julie108 Roxsew: bye! OnlineHost: Roxsew has left the room. TAMirabile: nite Rox T83BIRD: Mail letters with Carl's stamp to Congresspersons who won't give NASA money. BLR WIZ: Yes JD, I thought that was a very fitting tribute to Gene RELM Muse: Keay, Carl was denied tenure at Harvard -- why? Araiused: Good idea, T ;) JDavid2355: T83: Yes indeed, I like that. And to all the ones who voted against... JDavid2355: the Test Ban Treaty -- I guarantee you that Somewhere out there,... JDavid2355: Carl is red-hot mad about that. Send us a sign, Carl! RELM Muse: LOL Keay! BLR WIZ: LOL TAMirabile: LOL Keay Adda: Say yourselves some trouble, just send all that mail to Jesse Helms ;) RELM Muse: Did he believe in an afterlife? JDavid2355: RELM: Carl was denied tenure because one of his oldest... OnlineHost: RickDoudM has left the room. JDavid2355: mentors, a brilliant Nobelistt, stabbed him in the back (so to... Araiused: Hi Rick JDavid2355: speak). The whole sordid story is in my book. DSudia: Blr wiz do you save the Access internet magazine from Sunday paper JDavid2355: RELM: Carl was pretty much of an atheist; he died not believing... JDavid2355: in another life. Araiused: :: note to self to buy JD's book ::: RELM Muse: I'm looking forward to reading it, Keay. Published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc. and in ... BLR WIZ: No DS T83BIRD: On things nuclear, JD, I think it is "Grow up or blow up." RELM Muse: bookstores now. :) Adda: Um, out of idle curiousity, JD, what were your sources for that? Araiused: (sigh) one more expenditure. JDavid2355: T83: well put sir JDavid2355: Adda: I'm sorry, for what specifically? Adda: The tenure fiasco. T83BIRD: thx JD JDavid2355: Adda: The papers of Dr. Harold Urey, now archived at... BLR WIZ: Do you want the Vegas odds on that T8? JDavid2355: the Univ. of Calif. at San Diego, and also an interview... Adda: Interesting. JDavid2355: with astronomer Fred Whipple at Harvard, who along with... BLR WIZ: Have you seen Sagan's Cosmos, DS. JDavid2355: Don Menzel originally brought Carl to Harvard in '63. Araiused: brb need more sprite T83BIRD: Nah, BLR. The bookies always give odds in their favor. BLR WIZ: LOL T8 DSudia: no Blr wiz JDavid2355: It's funny, normally almost no one gets tenure at Harvard. But... JDavid2355: Carl assumed he would get it. He had a healthy ego at a... JDavid2355: very early age. BLR WIZ: If the bookies aren't around to collecet, it dosn't matter what odds they give. JDavid2355: He was better off at Cornell, where he moved to after being denied... RELM Muse: The really strange thing is that John Mack retained his tenure when he.. JDavid2355: tenure. Cornell loved him (most of the time -- not always. Again,... JDavid2355: the ugly details are in my book). Adda: Must've been quite the blow for him. :) RELM Muse: announced the greys had been abducting people. OnlineHost: DSudia has left the room. OnlineHost: RickDoudM has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi again, Rick! JDavid2355: RELM: About Mack: I think it was John Locke... Adda: Hi, Rick :) BLR WIZ: If you are interested, DS see me about borrowing my copy at the next magic meetting. JDavid2355: who said, "For every error there is a professor." T83BIRD: re's Rick Adda: How would such an announcement effect his tenure, Muse? RickDoudM: hi, i''m jac not rick had to cut his hair! RELM Muse: Ah, okay, Jac! RELM Muse: Adda, there isn't much evidence of it happening. RickDoudM: what did i miss T83BIRD: JD, I tried very hard not to be one of those professors. Adda: Other than that :) RELM Muse: We'll have the log up tomorrow, Jac. Adda: Takes a lot to revoke someone's tenure. :) RELM Muse: Well, a lot of people thought it was crazy enough he *should* lose tenure. RickDoudM: log up what? JDavid2355: T83: Were u at Harvard? T83BIRD: No, JD, a BLR WIZ: OK Jac, then for less confusion, use another name, we tend to use the 1st 3 letters. T83BIRD: little known university in Pennsylvania. Adda: One of my profs was actually insane the semester I had her, and she's still teaching. ;) T83BIRD: Bloomsburg University. RELM Muse: In our library, Rick. You can download it from there. RELM Muse: Ack, Adda. JDavid2355: RELM: I had a couple of crazies. All tenured. My alma... Adda: And I ain't kiddin. She was truly ga ga. :) BLR WIZ: I didn't know that Harvard was is Pa.???? ;) JDavid2355: mater includes a prof who claims alens accompanied that comet... JDavid2355: a while back. RickDoudM: i,m sill in pampers will make notes Araiused: bak BLR WIZ: Wich Comet? RELM Muse: Hale-Bopp? WSkyelit: funny, thought (pampers), Rick. JDavid2355: BLR: THe one that the folks in Rancho Santa Fe killed ... JDavid2355: themselves over -- I forget the name... Temple Tuttle or something? BLR WIZ: Oh No Muse, don't invoke REG.... :) TAMirabile: Of course, JD, they took all those people with them OnlineHost: Gandalara has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Gand! Gandalara: Hi :) T83BIRD: Hi Gand Araiused: Hey Gand RELM Muse: Welcome! You've found the RELM Muse: Other*Worlds*Cafe and our guest tonight is Adda: Hi, Gand :) RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE. TAMirabile: Hi, Gand BLR WIZ: Hi Gad BLR WIZ: Opppssss... BLR WIZ: gand. WSkyelit: What does JD stand for, Keay? Adda: Were your ears burning, Gand?? :) Gandalara: Um, no. Why? Tell :) JDavid2355: Skye: J is for John. It was AOL's fault. Everything is AOL's fault. BLR WIZ: You will just have to read the log, Gand. :) TAMirabile: lolol mean T83BIRD: LOL JD Adda: It always is, JD ;) WSkyelit: No kidding! OnlineHost: Shadowjakk has entered the room. JDavid2355: Adda: Let's rip this joint apart RELM Muse: LOL Keay! You can make another screenname at keyword: NAMES. RELM Muse: Hi Shadow! RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, author of CARL SAGAN: RELM Muse: A LIFE, is our guest in the O*W*C tonight! Araiused: Hey Shadow! TAMirabile: Hi, Shadow!!! Gandalara: Hi Shadow BLR WIZ: Yo Shadow Adda: Hi, Shadow :) WSkyelit: My screen name is AOL's fault. Gandalara: brb nml Shadowjakk: Hi all! :) T83BIRD: Heya Shadow Araiused: Adda, our being here is also AOL's fault? WSkyelit: They got it AOL backwards. RELM Muse: Well, I took mine on purpose. ;) Adda: But of course! :) TAMirabile: lol WS Araiused: Need more l ???? Araiused: need more lime? RELM Muse: Ara, lager? I was wondering, too. Adda: Liquor? :) RELM Muse: Or maybe she capped I. BLR WIZ: No Comment. RickDoudM: can i get this chat room from another carrier? RELM Muse: No, Rick, you have to be on AOL. :) T83BIRD: BTW, the name Carl means *stout fellow.* Gandalara: bak. l = liquid. I an't tellin' what kind :) BLR WIZ: If you can use another carrier to access AOL. Shadowjakk: No...this chat room is entirely non-contagious, Rick. JDavid2355: T83: That's funny, he was a real stringbean -- had severe... Adda: Too late, Gand. We've already dragged your name through the dust. ;) JDavid2355: esophageal condition that made it hard for him to swallow, so... TAMirabile: Would we need more than 3 guesses, Gand? RELM Muse: Aha, Gand! Gandalara: Yup. JDavid2355: he slendered down like a high school girl... really quite delicate. JDavid2355: He got a stairmaster, used it once and fell off it. Never used... JDavid2355: it again. A man after my own heart. RELM Muse: Keay, when Carl first talked about the greenhouse theory, how was it taken? RELM Muse: LOL BLR WIZ: LOL T83BIRD: Intellectually, however, he more than lived up to his name, it seems to me. JDavid2355: RELM: Carl proposed Venus is super hot because of a greenhouse... Araiused: Did Carl Sagan become famous to the public through Araiused: COSMOS? JDavid2355: effect in its atmosphere. He didn't invent GH theory per se; ... RickDoudM: remember the bio shpere? Adda: They burn fossil fuel on Venus? :) Gandalara: OK. I had a question pop up last night. Do you think Sagan will be JDavid2355: it predated him by a century. But he was one of the first (not the first)... Gandalara: remembered more for his book, his billions and billions comment, or the Gandalara: movie? TAMirabile: Rick, in Arizona? RickDoudM: it cantaminated it self JDavid2355: to link it to Venus. His initial theory raised some eyebrows... JDavid2355: but is nowadays generally accepted, with some modifications. It... JDavid2355: was his greatest scientific accomplishment. BLR WIZ: The only problem I have with Carl is his treatment of the Face On Mars. And the making RickDoudM: who me? rick'a jac (jackie) colorado BLR WIZ: comments about checking out the pyramid like structures near it. OnlineHost: WSkyelit has left the room. JDavid2355: Gand: I think he'll be remembered best for Cosmos. I think... OnlineHost: WSkyelit has entered the room. OnlineHost: REGENTIC has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi again, Skye! Hi REG! Adda: Hi, Reg :) Araiused: Hey, REGGIE! REGENTIC: Evening all JDavid2355: Billions is one of his lesser works, and the movie is quite good... T83BIRD: Hi REG RELM Muse: Welcome to O*W*C! We're discussing RELM Muse: CARL SAGAN: A LIFE with the author, RELM Muse: Keay Davidson! Shadowjakk: Re's WS, Hey, REG. Gandalara: re's Ske Hi REG! JDavid2355: but I wish he had lived long enough to make another, and better, TAMirabile: Hi, REG! JDavid2355: one. The movie is fine, with some great moments, but I... BLR WIZ: Yo REG, we were just talking about a leather bound copy of Cosmos. JDavid2355: read the original scripts and trust me they cut out some... REGENTIC: LEATHER!!!!! JDavid2355: brilliant stuff. (Some junk, too.) JDavid2355: And Jodie Foster -- never talked to her. Gandalara: Hollywood always has to make it *theirs*. Can't leave well enough alone T83BIRD: Hollywood is good at cutting out brilliant stuff. BLR WIZ: Not everyone can be brilliant all the time. Gandalara: We can, BLR :) JDavid2355: T83: Still, in some ways the movie was better than the novel.... Adda: They paid enough for it, Gand. They can do what they like. ; ) JDavid2355: The novel betrayed Ellie at the end by implying she looked for... REGENTIC: <----listening to the new Queensryche album JDavid2355: aliens just to fill her sense of emptiness within, whereas the... JDavid2355: film honored her at the end. BLR WIZ: you are the eggception, Gand. ;) Adda: oy Gandalara: :::has another drink::: T83BIRD: Interesting point, Keay. Adda: She's a true eggcentirc. ;) RELM Muse: For those who don't know, Gand runs an egg factory, which is why.. RELM Muse: you see the eggceptional puns turning up. Adda: That might've worked, had I been able to type..... TAMirabile: Now now BLR, don't give here an eggsagerated opinion of her worth Gandalara: :::bangs head on desk::: TAMirabile: lolol BLR WIZ: I must check my recording of the bad SF movies on A MC Araiused: The movie had a happier ending? Adda: Eggstatic, ain't she? :) JDavid2355: Just saw "Creature from Black Lagoon" last night, first time. RELM Muse: Gand, you've got half a year until Easter -- don't get worked up about it! RELM Muse: Did you like it, Keay? REGENTIC: It's all quite eggementary of course RickDoudM: eggactly JDavid2355: Arai: End of Contact didn't imply she looked for aliens as... T83BIRD: The foregoing eggsposition was light years removed from the subjects at hand. Shadowjakk: I think that the success of Cosmos helped pave the way for Shadowjakk: later cable phenomena like TDC and TLC. Adda: So, what do normal people do on a Friday night? :/ JDavid2355: substitutes for a Man... It honored her intelligence instead of... JDavid2355: betraying her as Hollywood usually betrays female scientists. REGENTIC: LOL Adda RickDoudM: we are the eggseption T83BIRD: True, Keay. Adda: Not just scientists, JD. We're convenient in a variety of plot devices. JDavid2355: RELM: Yeah, I do like it -- but Matthew McConnaughey was a mistake;... Gandalara: What, Shadow? JDavid2355: he's a good actor, a very fine actor in fact, but that preacher... JDavid2355: rle was ridiculous. Adda: Cable channels, Gand. Shadowjakk: A lot of programs on TDC and TLC are patterned, in part, RickDoudM: any one else write? Shadowjakk: after Cosmos. Adda: The Discovery Channel and The Learning Channel. JDavid2355: Not his fault, of course. It's a job. Gandalara: Oh, TLC. I was think TNT :/ RELM Muse: Let me take a moment here to tell you about tomorrow's topic: RELM Muse: In the Beginning was the Word, and the RELM Muse: word was science fiction, and fans looked RELM Muse: upon it and saw that it was good. In this Shadowjakk: Or...THC. :) RELM Muse: Golden Age, bug-eyed monsters had not RELM Muse: yet become cliches, the stainless-steel RELM Muse: brassiere was a best-seller at the Martian RELM Muse: Victoria's Secret, and the wonders of RELM Muse: technology laid the galaxy at our feet. RELM Muse: SF has undergone significant changes RELM Muse: since that time, blossoming and becoming RELM Muse: more "respectable"...but is it true to its RELM Muse: roots? Grab your ray guns and the RELM Muse: THEM-B-Gon, and join RELM Chip for a RELM Muse: look at Golden Age SF! RELM Muse: Quite a change of topic for tomorrow! Adda: Breathe, Muse , breathe! ;) Araiused: Looong macro :) RELM Muse: LOL WSkyelit: Wow! RickDoudM: gods the super sci writer TAMirabile: types fast don't she BLR WIZ: The Word was... Do you have change? Shadowjakk: Accessible science that *wasn't* written for children. In Shadowjakk: this vein, Sagan was a pioneer. JDavid2355: Shadow: yes indeed Adda: The Macro according to Chip. Adda: Shameless play on John. ;) RickDoudM: whho''s chhiip BLR WIZ: Sorry, but the AMC is giving me a chance to add a lot of really bad movies to my library. ;) RELM Muse: Keay, you were a history major -- how'd you get to being the science reporter.. Adda: JNR CHip. Another chatter, cohost of this forum. RELM Muse: for the San Francisco Examiner? WSkyelit: Keay, that "Pete's Fix Shop" story was a good one. JDavid2355: BLR: Check out The Young Philadelphians -- best bad movie... JDavid2355: ever made. Seen it 5 times. RickDoudM: ancient history? BLR WIZ: SF? JDavid2355: No Paul Newman as a lawyer Adda: Wasn't that Paul Newman's first film? JDavid2355: Adda: Hey, there's an adult in here! BLR WIZ: Plan 9 From Outer Space is the worste movie ever made... Araiused: Wasn't Paul Newman's first film The Silver Chalice? Adda: ::::looking around:::: Who? RELM Muse: LOL JDavid2355: BLR: No, it's the worst BAD movie ever made. BLR WIZ: And Robot Monster is a close 2nd. Shadowjakk: Yeah...Thonas Costain wrote THE SILVER CHALICE. T83BIRD: LOL Keay. Shadowjakk: Thomas, rather. JDavid2355: Well, take it from me, I walked out on "Happy Texas." REGENTIC: "The Martian Victoria's Secret, and the wonders of techonology..." The voices asked "Is REGENTIC: that the kind that takes batteries?" ;) Adda: Actually, I just walked out of a movie. First time in years. Gandalara: LOLOL REG TAMirabile: lol REG BLR WIZ: LOL JDavid2355: Adda: Which one? WSkyelit: never looked back -- on the happy trial? Araiused: Bats? WSkyelit: trail Adda: Three Kings. Adda: Couldn't tkae tht bit about the bullet and the body. ;) Araiused: Ooops JDavid2355: Adda: in which scene did u leave? RickDoudM: any one see omega code? T83BIRD: Hi TC Araiused: Lost Muse. Shadowjakk: Hi TC. Gandalara: Hi TC! Araiused: Hi TC. Adda: scroll up :) TCoehoorn: hi room Adda: Hi, TC :) REGENTIC: Hi TC BLR WIZ: Yoda likes bats... How a 3 legged cat caught bats I will never know and he isn't telling. Araiused: Anyone doing the welcoming? Araiused: :) JDavid2355: Adda: oh yeah that was unusual -- I didn't know I was green inside Gandalara: TCoehoorn! Welcome to the O*W*C! The place to chat about science fiction! WSkyelit: LOL Adda: I could've lived my whole life without knowing that. OnlineHost: OnlineHost: *** You are in "Other Worlds SF Chat". *** OnlineHost: RELM Muse: Mutter mutter Araiused: Re's Muse Adda: wb, Muse :) JDavid2355: Adda: That's why mom told you to eat your greens RELM Muse: That was definitely AOL's fault! T83BIRD: re'S T83BIRD: Muse Araiused: LOL, Muse Gandalara: I will not send mail. I will not send mail. :) Unless asked. Shadowjakk: Ahh...and I just made a macro, too. :/ RELM Muse: LOL Too bad, Shadow, I came back! TCoehoorn: wheres keay? REGENTIC: Re's Muse JDavid2355: Tc: that's me WSkyelit: It was AOL's fault that the cat has only 3 legs, too! RELM Muse: Hi TC! Keay is JDavid. :) Adda: She's quick, our host. :) TCoehoorn: ok Shadowjakk: Hello, RELM Muse, TCoehoorn! Welcome to the Shadowjakk: Other*Worlds*Cafe SF chat! Join us with special guest Shadowjakk: Keay Davidson, author of CARL SAGAN: A LIFE. RELM Muse: Gand, please do send mail. ;) Gandalara: OK Adda: Sheez, show off. RELM Muse: Very nice, Shadow. :) Shadowjakk: There...got to use it once, anyway. :) T83BIRD: And beautiful feathers also, Shadow. RELM Muse: Keay, how did you get from a history major to a science reporter? RickDoudM: is yer book in library? is it on audio cassette? Araiused: <--- Sent mail JDavid2355: RELM: God qustion. My teachers are still probably trying to... OnlineHost: RAWoodward has entered the room. JDavid2355: figure that one out. My grades sucked. T83BIRD: Hi RAW Araiused: Hi RAW! Adda: Hi, RA :) RELM Muse: Hi RAW! RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! Our Adda: Gotta watch out for those history majors. RELM Muse: guest tonight is Keay Davidson, the author RELM Muse: of CARL SAGAN: A LIFE. Gandalara: Hi RAW! JDavid2355: Adda: we're gonna take over the world Adda: All they're really good for is running small banana republics. RELM Muse: Yes, thank REG, Ara, and Gand for the mail. :)O RAWoodward: Hi, Muse! (did you get lose your connection?) REGENTIC: All God questions must submitted 3 eons in advance, thank you ;) WSkyelit: Those teachers are now glued to AOL. JDavid2355: Adda: Hey I could do that -- all the bananas I want Shadowjakk: Well, look at it this way, Keay. When he, eventually, Shadowjakk: passes away, you can write the definitive biography on Shadowjakk: James Burke, and tell the world how the Tunguska incident Shadowjakk: led to the creation of CONNECTIONS. :) RELM Muse: Yep, RAW, got sucked off. T83BIRD: With Krazy glue, Skye. JDavid2355: Shadow: I love Burke. What a great guy. I met him and told him... REGENTIC: LOLOL Muse, sounds like something you'd hear in the PC JDavid2355: "I believe anything you say because you say it with an... Adda: Good lord, I read that and thought only of James Lee Burke. :/ Shadowjakk: History major and science writer...I figure it qualifies you. :) JDavid2355: English accent." I bought my first VCR just so I could... JDavid2355: tape Connections, his first big show. Gandalara: Oy REG. I didn't even notice that until you said something :) TCoehoorn: jeez and i wasted my 1st vcr on the playboy channel Adda: lol! RELM Muse: LOL JDavid2355: And I bought my 2nd VCR so I could tape Garry Shandling... REGENTIC: You can always count on me to notice and comment. ;) JDavid2355: Later I met him and told him that, and he walked away. WSkyelit: I tried to buy my first VCR at Victoria's Secret. RELM Muse: LOL Shadowjakk: I always thought it would be neat if you could do Shadowjakk: Connections in reverse, and prophesize the way in which Shadowjakk: the discovery of Post-Its will lead to the development of a Shadowjakk: cure for Parkinson's disease. :) Araiused: LOL, Skye JDavid2355: Shadow: LOL Gandalara: LOL Shadow Adda: :) RELM Muse: Keay, how accessible were Carl's friends, colleagues, family, etc., to.. RELM Muse: your interviews? JDavid2355: Yeah, I never got over how he showed how the invention of the... WSkyelit: Darn those post-its -- always sticking where their not supposed to. JDavid2355: clock led to Hiroshima, or somethin' like that. Adda: So it's a reach. :) JDavid2355: RELM: Carl's family was terrific. His 3rd son was especially ... JDavid2355: cool -- Nick Sagan, who wrote for "Star Trek Voyager." Really nice guy. T83BIRD: I suppose you could call that *clockenspiel.*. JDavid2355: And his first 2 sons are a 1. science writer, Dorion, and 2. a Adda: oy, T :) RELM Muse: Ah, yes, considering how Carl felt about SF later in life, how did he.. Shadowjakk: LOL, T8. JDavid2355: musician-computer guy, Jeremy. Has 2 other kids. RELM Muse: feel about Nick writing for ST? REGENTIC: I miss ST: Voyager. None of the stations around here show it anymore TCoehoorn: how did they take all the parodies? JDavid2355: RELM: Carl ridiculed Star Trek. By that time he was like my... JDavid2355: old man ridiculing Voyage to the Bootom of the Sea and ... JDavid2355: harrumphing, "It's just fantasy!" Fathers and sons. RELM Muse: LOL T83BIRD: LOL Shadowjakk: LOL WSkyelit: LOL REGENTIC: LOL BLR WIZ: LOL JDavid2355: Carl complained that everyone in ST spoke English, incl. ... OnlineHost: Techyo has entered the room. T83BIRD: Hi Tech Shadowjakk: Hi Techyo. Araiused: Hey, Tech! JDavid2355: the aliens. And they all looked like us. No way, he insisted:... JDavid2355: evolution would have led aliens down different pathways of ... JDavid2355: language and body shape. Adda: Hi, Techie :) Gandalara: Brown out. High Winds. Gotta go. Night! OnlineHost: Gandalara has left the room. BLR WIZ: Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and The Time Tunnel always blew up the same consules. Techyo: Hi ALL! T83BIRD: bye Gand REGENTIC: Hi Tech RELM Muse: Hi Tech! RickDoudM: any one see a ufo.. i did RELM Muse: Welcome! The O*W*C's guest tonight is RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of BLR WIZ: Night Ganfd RELM Muse: CARL SAGAN: A LIFE! JDavid2355: BLR: Remember Whit Bissel, the prof in Time Tunnel? He... Adda: Night, Gand :) Araiused: Nite, Gand T83BIRD: Keay, there is the Klingon language on STNG and DS9. JDavid2355: was in all those old cheepie creepies: Black Lagoon, etc. And... Techyo: I ran Gand off? BLR WIZ: It's been a few years, JD.... JDavid2355: he was the guy at end of original Body Snatchers who picked up ... Adda: Doubtful, Tech :) RELM Muse: Rick, I've seen unidentified flying objects, but I don't think they were alien ships. Shadowjakk: Obviously, life in the universe develops from foreheads, and Shadowjakk: then, ultimately evolves humanoid bodies to cart them Shadowjakk: around. Techyo: Thanks, Adda. JDavid2355: phone and yelled "Get me the FBI!" Best SF line ever (except for... RELM Muse: Tech, only if you caused high winds a few states west. :) JDavid2355: "It's hiding somewhere in Times Square area" in Godzilla.) RickDoudM: nor do i just unidentified Techyo: I could blaime Reg. BLR WIZ: OK, and he was also the Uncle in the one segment of the Twilight Zone Movie. Techyo: Act of Reg REGENTIC: I once told my cousin they all spoke english because of the universal translator incorporate Adda: We all do that, Tech. Be original. ;) REGENTIC: in the tv ;) Techyo: ROFL RickDoudM: what did you see? JDavid2355: BLR: No I think that was Kevin McCarthy. Whit had a very... REGENTIC: LOL Tech RELM Muse: LOL REG Shadowjakk: Yeah, I bought my Magnavox because of that, REG. JDavid2355: small role in Body Snatchers. Anybody ever heard of... JDavid2355: Mary McCarthy? Kevin's sis. True! Shadowjakk: The Sharp didn't have one. RELM Muse: Rick, lights I couldn't identify. BLR WIZ: I could be mistaken. I frequenly am. Without checking resources.... REGENTIC: LOL Shadow Shadowjakk: Not related to Andrew McCarthy? RickDoudM: llime green cigar- shape huge go down behind santa cruz mts in 70 Techyo: Reg just don't tell Gore or Bush that ok? JDavid2355: Shadow: I dunno. Shadowjakk: Or Jenny McCarthy? :) JDavid2355: Shadow: She's his mom. T83BIRD: And certainly not to Charlie McCarthy. Techyo: I don't think I could handle both parties melting at once. BLR WIZ: It's All In The Family Shadowjakk: Or Eugene. :) TAMirabile: LOL Tech Techyo: T8 heard on the radio who the orginal Charlie was. Adda: Oh, I dunno. The melting of the political ice cap might prove interesting. RELM Muse: Keay, did you get to examine Carl's letters? Did the writing, paper, etc.,.. RELM Muse: give you a feel for him? BLR WIZ: But Adda, what will they use for a headache on the day after? Techyo: Didn't make much of an impression other than there was a guy it was based on. Shadowjakk: Charlie was the original Puppet Master. REGENTIC: The voices say the original Charlie was a Tuna. ;) JDavid2355: RELM: Oh yeah! That was a blast. In fact, he was prob one of the... JDavid2355: last human beings who wrote lots of snailmail. He responded... JDavid2355: to everyone, no matter how nutty. All kinds of wackoes... Techyo: Ack Just realized there's a guest sorry. JDavid2355: proudly sent me Carl's responses to them. Always elegantly... BLR WIZ: My fav. was when Charlie and W.C. Fields got into feud. JDavid2355: written, and polite. He was a real gentleman. Araiused: JD is also a regular, Techie. Adda: Really, Ara? RELM Muse: Wrong JD, Ara. :) Araiused: OK, Muse, must be wrong numbers then :) Techyo: LOL yeah I know the other one pretty well. RELM Muse: Keay, did you advertise then? I see letters from authors in the WashPost asking.. Adda: Oh, don BLR WIZ: The other JD stand for Juvenal Delequent? RELM Muse: for letters, etc., on the event or person they're writing about. WSkyelit: Keay, what will your next book be about? Adda: 't play with my mind....there's so little left. JDavid2355: RELM: WashPost? I'm not sure what you mean? Shadowjakk: Washington Post. Adda: Juvenal was a delinquent? :) RELM Muse: Sorry, Washington Post is long to type. :) In the Book World section on Sundays,.. JDavid2355: Skye: I want to written a book about philosophy of ... JDavid2355: science. But with sex and car chases. TCoehoorn: did sagan have sense of humor about all the parodies? REGENTIC: Cool! RELM Muse: the letters column frequently has requests from authors for material people might.. WSkyelit: LOL RELM Muse: have on their subject. RELM Muse: LOL Keay! JDavid2355: TC: Not at first, he could be really prickly. Je hated it when... TAMirabile: LOL JD T83BIRD: LOL Keay. JDavid2355: people asked him to say "billions and billions," because... JDavid2355: he never originally said it -- Johnny Carson did. WSkyelit: Got get 'em. Vrom---vrooooom. Araiused: Folks, don't play with Adda's mind. We want it whole, don't we? :) Techyo: I remember Carson's bit. TCoehoorn: thx jd Techyo: Too late Ara TAMirabile: Awa? whole? Adda: LOL! JDavid2355: RELM: Yeah, I sent a request to NYT Book Review and... OnlineHost: KlaBeraNik has entered the room. RELM Muse: Hi Kla! Araiused: Hi Kla BLR WIZ: An early Far Side. Carl as a kid. There must be millions and millions of stars ;) RELM Muse: Welcome to the Other*Worlds*Cafe! JDavid2355: got a small flood of responses who knew Carl as a kid. One... RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE, is our guest tonight! Adda: Hi, Kla :) T83BIRD: Hi Kla JDavid2355: guy recalled him as a boy, smirking over porno postcards. REGENTIC: LOL BLR Adda: You're a fine one to talk, Tech ;) TAMirabile: Hi, Kla KlaBeraNik: hello everyone Shadowjakk: OK...philosophy of science with sex and car Shadowjakk: chases....hmm...tentative title: REBEL WITHOUT Shadowjakk: CAUSALITY. RELM Muse: LOL Keay! Techyo: exactly RELM Muse: LOL Shadow! REGENTIC: LOL Shadow Adda: LOLOL! TAMirabile: LOL Shadow JDavid2355: SHADOW: I love it! You win the Title Contest. T83BIRD: Shadow! Araiused: Ouch, Shadow. BLR WIZ: Shadow. It would be Tenticle without a cause. WSkyelit: billions and billions of porno postcards..... RELM Muse: Keay, Shadow hosts pun chats every so often. ;) OnlineHost: KlaBeraNik has left the room. Adda: Only if it was a biography of Iggy ;) JDavid2355: RELM: Carl loved puns. Made his kids groan all the time. BLR WIZ: Thats great to hear, JD RELM Muse: Well, as you noticed with our little outbreak of eggstacy earlier, ... RELM Muse: we like 'em too. Shadowjakk: Yup...puns are better than fiber, that way. :) RELM Muse: Ewww TAMirabile: uuuhhhhhhh TCoehoorn: would sagan have came to this room? T83BIRD: Did he always have puns with his coffee, Keay? JDavid2355: I am also happy to reveal that Carl's favorite chocolate milk was Swiss Miss. Adda: An acquired taste, Shadow? :) RELM Muse: An instant? BLR WIZ: Unfortunatly, here, during pun night, they just get worse. Araiused: Iggy's biography would be a fishy one. BLR WIZ: It is, or was Friday. Adda: An inky subject, Ara ;) TAMirabile: But multifaceted errr tentacled RELM Muse: I want to remind you about tomorrow's topic: RELM Muse: In the Beginning was the Word, and the RELM Muse: word was science fiction, and fans looked RELM Muse: upon it and saw that it was good. In this RELM Muse: Golden Age, bug-eyed monsters had not RELM Muse: yet become cliches, the stainless-steel RELM Muse: brassiere was a best-seller at the Martian Adda: Not again!! RELM Muse: Victoria's Secret, and the wonders of RELM Muse: technology laid the galaxy at our feet. RELM Muse: SF has undergone significant changes RELM Muse: since that time, blossoming and becoming RELM Muse: more "respectable"...but is it true to its RELM Muse: roots? Grab your ray guns and the RELM Muse: THEM-B-Gon, and join RELM Chip for a RELM Muse: look at Golden Age SF! BLR WIZ: And the Word was Tenticle..... JDavid2355: RELM: Who wrote that? I wanna hire him/her REGENTIC: Yep, I'd even say Shadow is our Resident Puntificate Master here. RELM Muse: Adda, that's only the second time! Adda: Where is Chip, anyway? Araiused: Thumbs up for Chip;) RELM Muse: RELM Chip, Keay. Gainfully employed as NASDAQ's internal webmaster, and.. RELM Muse: away on business tonight. :) BLR WIZ: PSSSSTTT JD. if you play your cards right, they will pay you. RELM Muse: Noooooooo, but we'll let you write another column. :) TAMirabile: LLOL BLR JDavid2355: RELM: Well that's just nifty prose OnlineHost: GlennLaser has entered the room. OnlineHost: DerHexer has entered the room. Adda: OH, that'll go to her head. :) DerHexer: Hi all Shadowjakk: Hi Glenn. OnlineHost: GlennLaser has left the room. RELM Muse: Yep, she and Shadow are both really good at it. I'm the techncial writer. :) Adda: Hi, Der :) T83BIRD: Hi Glenn, Der TAMirabile: JD, you have to come back and meet Chip RELM Muse: Hi Glenn! Hi Der! RELM Muse: Welcome! You've found the RELM Muse: Other*Worlds*Cafe and our guest tonight is RELM Muse: Keay Davidson, the author of CARL REGENTIC: Hi Glenn, Der RELM Muse: SAGAN: A LIFE. Araiused: Hi Glenn, Hi Der RAWoodward: Perhaps I should show up tomorrow; that is after I dig out my boxes of 40s pulps TAMirabile: Hi, Glenn!! Hi Der!! JDavid2355: TAM: I'd like to RELM Muse: Good idea, RAW! DerHexer: Hi, Keay WSkyelit: down in the root cellar, LURK? RAWoodward: (by that Idon't mean Astounding SF, I mean Planet Stories, Thrilling Wonder, and Startling JDavid2355: DER: Hi der BLR WIZ: Research makes the chat, RAW RAWoodward: the home of the brass bras) TAMirabile: JD, are you on the chat topic mailing list? RELM Muse: LOL REGENTIC: Yep, we'll have to tell Chip that JD was trying to Steele her away from us. ;) Adda: oy JDavid2355: TAM: I'm not but would like to be Araiused: Ouch, REG TAMirabile: sputter BLR WIZ: Yes JD. Feel obligated to stop back from time to time for some fun chats. JDavid2355: BLR: righto Adda: No pressure. WSkyelit: What's another unknown secret re: Sagan? RELM Muse: Yep, we'd love to have you back just for chat. :) Techyo: For sure! JDavid2355: Skye: Carl collected stamps as a boy RELM Muse: Keay, we can arrange to put you on the list. :) JDavid2355: ... and as an adult, too. DerHexer: I understand Sagan never said "Billyons and billyons" True?? Techyo: Switching to stars was a good move. T83BIRD: You'll find that people here are quite punAmerican, Keay. TAMirabile: JD, just tell Muse JDavid2355: Der: Never did. Hated the phrase. Thought it trivialized him. Techyo: Takes up less personal space. BLR WIZ: My uncle collecte stapmps, but they still said he didn't have enought to mail him to the BLR WIZ: moon. JDavid2355: RELM: pls do! WSkyelit: Yeah, he needs to be on a stamp -- like we said earlier. TAMirabile: LOL Tech DerHexer: Yeah, they love to pun around here. There's a 12 step program for these people JDavid2355: But should it be The Young Carl or The Old Carl? Adda: Have to run along now. Thanks for the chat, Muse :) OnlineHost: Adda has left the room. BLR WIZ: Bye Adda Techyo: LOL Der Araiused: Nite, Adda T83BIRD: bye Adda Techyo: Night Adda TAMirabile: I'd like to see the age when he did Cosmos Shadowjakk: A philatelist...maybe that's where he got fond of licking Shadowjakk: paper. REGENTIC: Cosmos was one of the first video series I bought T83BIRD: Good idea, TAM. JDavid2355: TAM: That's good -- the vicuna jacket -- I always wanted that jacket DerHexer: Well, now that Sagan's dead, he has a good chance to get on a stamp. DerHexer: After all, they put Elvis for God's sake on a stamp JDavid2355: Hey, things are more liberal now. I just got a Malcolm X stamp. WSkyelit: What's a vicuna jacket? RELM Muse: Yeah, and gave people a choice. T83BIRD: I'm not sure it was for God TAMirabile: Der, but Elvis was a famous singer. T83BIRD: 's sake, Der. JDavid2355: Skye: It's really *Carl.* Shadowjakk: Vicuna is from a llama. REGENTIC: Huh? Someone call me? ;) DerHexer: Famous or notorius? TAMirabile: lolol Araiused: Nope, REG, it's only Jeanne d'Arc ;) WSkyelit: I thought he liked those turtleneck jerseys? JDavid2355: Skye: Those too RELM Muse: You'd think someone would make a movie of Jeanne d'Arc where they show.. Araiused: Another movie about Jeanne d'Arc... JDavid2355: Skye: And he had a moustcahe once WSkyelit: Black ones with no holes. RELM Muse: she was schizophrenic. TAMirabile: Muse????? A Saint??? BLR WIZ: Doing a quick check Cosmos is all the way back at tape # 187 RELM Muse: TAM, I reckon a lot of saints were mentally ill. REGENTIC: Well that better than holes no black I guess. ;) T83BIRD: Muse, the English supposedly executed another peasant girl in her place. TAMirabile: Muse, I think most were. RELM Muse: I heard that, T8. RELM Muse: Keay, was Carl comfortable with TV? DerHexer: I taped Cosmos, then went and bought the book. IMO, I have almost all og Sagan's books Techyo: It's not a qualification but it cetainly helps. TAMirabile: You've seen one peasant girl.............. JDavid2355: RELM: Yeah, loved it. Really dominated the production of... Shadowjakk: Those English...always playing silly games. JDavid2355: Cosmos. Made him producer mad as a hornet. RELM Muse: Did he ever produce then? Techyo: Good, JD, as it should be. JDavid2355: And he was a popular guest on Carson -- 26 times in 13 years. I ... BLR WIZ: But anyway, Cosmos is still a classic.... OnlineHost: RickDoudM has left the room. JDavid2355: used to stay up to watch him when I was in college. T83BIRD: bye Rick REGENTIC: One of those "If you were stranded on an island" things, I said "Cosmos collection" DerHexer: Intelligent Life in the Universe has some great spec articles Shadowjakk: He appeared quite comfortable in front of the camera. JDavid2355: SHADOW:I have a theory that he talked the way he did... BLR WIZ: May I ask, what college? Techyo: Comfortable? Wasn't it more like he stole it? JDavid2355: those strange halts, that lilting style, because he had a throat... JDavid2355: problem that made it hard for him to force out words; so he ... JDavid2355: made a kind of music out of it. No one else ever talked like that. Techyo: But it made him interesting to listen to. JDavid2355: BLR: Emory in Atlanta. Yes, the Coca Cola school. DerHexer: That was it! JDavid2355: Techyo: yes indeed WSkyelit: Did he have a throat problem? With food going down ? BLR WIZ: Allright, Just curious... JDavid2355: Skye: yes, called achalasia -- almost killed him a number... JDavid2355: of times. RELM Muse: And he had a good sense of how to explain complicated things to average .. RELM Muse: people without being patronizing. That's hard to come by. Shadowjakk: The closest to that ryhthm I've heard, before, were people Shadowjakk: who overcame stuttering. It imposes a strange linguistic Shadowjakk: gait that can be mistaken for an affected accent. But, he Shadowjakk: seemed very loose on camera. JDavid2355: Shadow: well put. I agree 100%. TCoehoorn: where did sagans talents lie science or the ability to relate to masses? RAWoodward: Time for me to go ... RAWoodward: JDavid2355: TC: Both I think. He was a very diverse guy. RELM Muse: Night, RAW! T83BIRD: Nite RAW Araiused: Nite, RAW DerHexer: I have to go, ffolks. Nice 'meeting' you, Keay. RELM Muse: Night, Der! JDavid2355: Night 'all. Drive carefully. OnlineHost: RAWoodward has left the room. BLR WIZ: I have the utmost respect for Carl Sagan. And I don't say something like that lightly. Shadowjakk: Night, Der. T83BIRD: Nite Der OnlineHost: DerHexer has left the room. WSkyelit: Night, Der, Raw JDavid2355: BLR: He's still a hero to me. RELM Muse: Well, Keay, thank you so much for being with us tonight! BLR WIZ: You got that right, JD>>>>>>> T83BIRD: Yes, Thanks. RELM Muse: The book is CARL SAGAN: A LIFE and it's available in bookstores.. JDavid2355: RELM: And it was great being here -- keep yer heads in the clouds! RELM Muse: now! Shadowjakk: Yes, thank you for visiting and sharing with us. :) WSkyelit: Thanks. Techyo: I'll look for it. Thanks Keay! BLR WIZ: And this world need more heros other that sports figures. Araiused: Thank you, Keay! T83BIRD: Staying, and thanks for a cosmic chat, Muse. JDavid2355: Skye: Nite Skye -- have some popcorn and a good weekend. RELM Muse: We really appreciate that you stayed the entire two hours, Keay, and I .. TAMirabile: Thank you Keay, now how do we get the book signed? WSkyelit: Is tomorrow night's chat being held at a local Victoria's Secret? RELM Muse: know you triggered some interest in a number of the folks who came through. :) JDavid2355: RELM: It was a blast. What a great group. T83BIRD: Thanks for a Sagacious chat, Keay. BLR WIZ: I want to really thank you for the chat, JD... RELM Muse: LOL Skye! Shadowjakk: LOL, WS. TAMirabile: LOL T JDavid2355: TAM: I'll try to fit my hand through the modem TAMirabile: lolol Araiused: LOL, WS RELM Muse: LOL RELM Muse: Come again sometime, Keay, just to chat. :) WSkyelit: I just got my "Hard" copy today! JDavid2355: RELM: Would love to. Nite all. Shadowjakk: Never byte the hand that feeds you, Keay. RELM Muse: And with that, our hosted chat time is up for tonight. T83BIRD: Nite Keauy Araiused: Nite, Keay! T83BIRD: Keay TAMirabile: Night Keay RELM Muse: Thanks for coming, Keay, and all our chatters! Techyo: Bit of a joke, Shadow? RELM Muse: If you have problems, use keyword: NOTIFY AOL T83BIRD: Nite to leavers OnlineHost: REGENTIC has left the room. RELM Muse: Have a good night! OnlineHost: JDavid2355 has left the room. Techyo: Night ALL! TAMirabile: Night Muse, Thank you. RELM Muse: See y'all tomorrow! BLR WIZ: Thanks Muse OnlineHost: Techyo has left the room.